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#511477 - 01/21/26 08:20 PM
Re: AKAI MPC XL
[Re: Diki]
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Registered: 11/19/02
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Loc: Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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Wow Diki!Thanks for introducing me to the Koala Sampler iOS App. I downloaded this app on my iPad Pro and it opened this Tutorial Video that explains the basic functions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2p4qdJhRYII couldn’t believe how easy it is to record your own drum SAMPLES just using your voice. One can string these samples into a SEQUENCE, instantly add effects to these sequences while in PERFORM mode and finally RECORD the entire song. It is the simplicity of operation that makes this app so enticing. This is a great tool for learning the basics of creating beat based music. The developer of this app has many more helpful tutorials on his YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@elfaudio I see that this works on Android devices as well. https://www.koalasampler.com/I could see why such apps have such a wide appeal amongst the younger crowd. There is zero learning curve. You could feel entertained within a matter of minutes. The KOALA SAMPLER gives you a glimpse of the workflow that has popularized software sequencers like ABLETON LIVE and hardware sequencers like the AKAI MPC family. The new flagship MPC XL may be out of reach for many, however the MPC ONE+ offers exceptional value for $629. https://www.akaipro.com/mpc-one-plus/Let’s face the hard truth. The era of Arranger Keyboards will probably end with our generation. The younger crowd does not want to spend 2 years learning how to read music, spend two more years studying music theory, learning chord progressions and developing playing skills. Moreover, they do not have the money to buy a top of the line Arranger which costs more than a professional workstation. The styles that come in the Arrangers do not excite the younger generation. The MPC ONE+ is more affordable and fulfills their immediate needs. If one has a laptop, then ABLETON LIVE 12 is the gateway to expressing their creativity.
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#511482 - 01/22/26 10:03 AM
Re: AKAI MPC XL
[Re: Tapas]
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Registered: 04/28/06
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Loc: North Texas, USA
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Let’s face the hard truth. The era of Arranger Keyboards will probably end with our generation. The younger crowd does not want to spend 2 years learning how to read music, spend two more years studying music theory, learning chord progressions and developing playing skills.
Don't tell Yamaha or Ketron that! Or Korg, for that matter. They still seem to be developing new or improved models. And how many kids got their first keyboard for Christmas this year? A low-end Yamaha or Casio which are, in fact, entry-level arrangers. I agree that "peak Arranger" was probably circa 2001 and some of our most beloved brands are gone for good. However, for anyone with a little musical training or just musically curious, arrangers can create a lot of music and fun --on the fly-- with very little effort. Personally, I think Yamaha will be selling a Genos VIII thirty years from now! edit: ...and Korg will finally get all of the bugs worked out of the Pa5X :-) BTW, the Suzuki Omnichord OM-108 which debuted this year is also an arranger with MIDI capabilities. It just doesn't have a piano keyboard. FWIW.
Edited by TedS (01/22/26 12:09 PM)
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#511484 - 01/22/26 04:03 PM
Re: AKAI MPC XL
[Re: Tapas]
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14543
Loc: NW Florida
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I have been saying for DECADES how there's nothing intrinsically wrong with arrangers for younger players EXCEPT THE STYLES. You wouldn't buy an arranger if the vast majority of the ROM styles were from the 1920's or 30's. And kids today don't want to buy anything with the vast majority of styles are from the 60's and 70's.
The bare hardware and sounds will probably suffice, most contemporary arrangers have pretty decent synth sounds (albeit voiced a little more 80's than '10's!) and quite a few have knobs or sliders for the knob twiddling crowd.
Sure, the clip launching stuff seems to be mostly on the high end stuff, but that's a marketing thing, nothing to do with what the unit COSTS, much. It would take little to add to even mid-line arrangers.
But nothing would turn a twentysomething off of an arranger more than wading through bank after bank of styles with ZERO relevance to what they would ever play. I mean, if I had to wade through eternal banks of Charleston or Black Bottom styles I'd probably pass on them!
But does anyone remember the Rapman? Casio made a barebones arranger specifically voiced for rap and hiphop in 1991. It was a cult classic, wildly popular with young musicians. You know why? ZERO old styles and sounds. No ballroom, no sambas, no bigband. No rock, even...
THAT'S how you get young musicians to play arrangers!
Weirdly, the arranger makers already understand and follow this. Most arrangers have an Oriental model. Revoiced for Far East or Middle East musicians. If they understand the worth in revoicing current arrangers for a regional market, why not for an age specific market..?
The other thing that is being ignored are software arrangers, particularly for tablets. Why isn't there an iPad arranger? An Android arranger? A basic soundset and a fully editable arranger is child's play for a modern iPad. iPad Pro has enough horsepower to run a Genos level arranger AND the sounds.
Most iPad musicians have plugins for sounds like drums, pianos, organs and especially synths that put most of our TOTL arrangers to shame. Take the output from an arranger engine, put it into the best iPad sounds, you got something that could give a TOTL arranger a run for its money!
Roland, I'm looking at you... you stopped making hardware arrangers, but you still own the code from a BK9 or EA-7 and a team of great iPad developers (check out the new iPad Zencore GX!). Easy money! Why are we having to point this out to you..?
What I would love to see is the AFFORDABLE marriage between arranger code and clip launching tablet samplers like Koala. Let the USER import the styles he wants, that way there's no putting the kids off with 20 Enka styles and a bank of 40's ballroom crap that few even of US use much anymore!
If the Rapman could be a hit, why not? 🎹🤩
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#511486 - Yesterday at 01:39 AM
Re: AKAI MPC XL
[Re: Tapas]
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5487
Loc: English Riviera, UK
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Giglad https://deltarray.com/ is arranger software that has been out some time (Currently V5) but if you look at the specs required (It runs on Mac or Windows) only the iPad pro would be able to run it, and even then it would require an upgrade to at least 1TB storage to get the increased Ram that is needed, which means you are talking about £1800 and very few youngsters would pay that. You cant just copy and paste a hardware arranger software to a computer/iPad as it is unique to each manufactures hardware, so would require serious re-coding to get it to work on a computer/iPad, thus the cost of the app would need to be high for them to make any money. (Again kids are not going to pay that) In the future when technology improves and prices drop then yes, iPads will be fine, but were still some way off that time. (The software you see for iPad is pretty basic compared to the computer versions and arranger coding is not basic) Bill
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#511491 - Today at 02:16 AM
Re: AKAI MPC XL
[Re: Tapas]
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5487
Loc: English Riviera, UK
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Giglad was just used as an example and not meant as the definitive software arranger.
As I mentioned you cannot copy and paste software between equipment as it all has to be recoded to work with different hardware (This is why a Windows program will not run on Mac or Linux natively without recoding for the different OS and architecture)
If you think back to when you did basic coding in school, you would have been told to modify the code to add something else and all of a sudden found it broke something else in the code, which emphasised that coding is not simple and just gets worse the more sophisticated the code (Arranger keyboards have sophisticated coding designed specifically for the custom hardware in them), just think of the Korg PA5x and the problems they have had with that, and that is done by professional coders.
If you are the more mature and were in school before coding came about, then download Python and follow a few tutorials on coding with it (Nothing like hands on experience) you will soon realise how difficult it is to get it to work on various different hardware.
Bill
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