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#509736 - 04/09/24 10:44 AM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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And someone from the South of America could easily say they’ve no use for deep house and trance, but need more country styles, a musician from Central America could moan about not enough Guatemalan styles, a Jamaican could lament not enough reggae.

I'm sorry, but YOUR tastes and needs are not universal. I’d be willing to bet you might be the only arranger user on this forum that plays much 21st century trance! What is more puzzling is why you got your Ketron in the first place if the style list (you could download the manual before you bought it) had so little club music styles?

It’s not Ketron's responsibility to cover the needs of every musician on the planet, it’s the buyer’s responsibility to research if the product covers HIS needs before purchase. Particularly as trance/dubstep/house etc. are more the province of workstations and loopstations and analog synths. The arranger market as a whole is a bit older than clubbers and the majority of the content is marketed towards MUCH older players.

In the end, Ketron provide the tools to create club music from audio loops better than most arrangers do, which is how most club acts do it… but you have to do the work. Just like a reggae musician would have to create his own styles no matter what arranger he bought, a club musician is going to quickly tire of the few ROM club styles no matter the make. Then you are stuck facing how well the arranger works with audio loops, as you import stuff from your loop library. From what I’ve read, the PA5x still has some software issues that may make it difficult for you once the ROM styles stale….

Freshness is what drives the dance floor, I’m not sure I’d look to ROM styles to determine the best arranger for packing a rave! Easy loop import, time and pitch stretching and clip launching capabilities probably are the thing that will give you longevity.

Just curious, but why did you choose an arranger rather than a workstation or something like a Maschine MPC type tool if your main thing is club music?
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#509737 - 04/10/24 03:36 AM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Diki]
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if i would ask for etnic styles you are right (in my country -middle east styles) but when i am talking about contempory styles even in jazz not only dance department , a new key from 2023 should include them internaly ( and by the way country music and styles from south america include in Event as they include in every arranger in the market ) exatly as they are include in Genos 1 and 2 and Korg pax5 . and for your question why did i buy the Event i'll say ,for the drums and bass and the feel of a real live band , and i believed that Ketron will download more contemporary styles in their home page for free or in a new os, as Yamaha and Korg do


Edited by dud (04/10/24 10:51 AM)
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#509739 - 04/10/24 01:21 PM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Everyone thinks their ‘ethnic’ music is normal music, and other people’s normal music is ethnic!

Given that house and club music is primarily done with drum machines and synths, and Ketron’s thing is primarily live musician music styles, I'm still puzzled as to how you would expect them to include much if any.

If you aren’t into creating your own dance tracks, personally I’d say something with a solid reputation for being supported by third party content for dance loops is what you need, and that’s never really been an arranger thing. Nowadays, it seems like software solutions or hybrids like Maschine and MPC devices get the most content.
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#509742 - 04/12/24 09:04 AM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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thanks Diki ,but these is not the point. when you purchase a new key from 2023-24 ,which is not retro key like many new retro synths' it is expected that you will get styles from 2023-4 ( together with the old ones) and not only oldies . if i was looking for old stufs i would have buy ,an old Psr or Ketron solton ' or roland e 80 .
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#509744 - 04/12/24 10:22 AM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Glad you found what you’re looking for…
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#509745 - 04/12/24 10:27 AM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Manufactures include the styles for the market the keyboard is intended for, (Arrangers are mainly for mid to oldies) so including the styles you want is a waste of resources for the manufacture as it will not increase sales. (To be honest it would probably put people off as they would say, why should I pay for something I will never use)
As Diki says, the arranger is not designed for the type of music you want, so you need to look elsewhere.

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#509749 - 04/13/24 01:43 AM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Thanks Diki and i want to add korg added a n os 1.2.0 and 1.2.1 in Korg pax5 that incleds 50 new contemporary styles and many sounds for free


Edited by dud (04/13/24 01:44 AM)
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#509754 - 04/13/24 09:55 PM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Loc: NW Florida
There’s a lot I really like about the PA5x, particularly the ability to run two styles at the same time, but there’s still a ton of stuff to completely integrate the feature into the Songbook still left to do.

We’re getting to it being out what, almost two years now since launch, and the bug list and missing features list is still extensive, and Korg have gone basically dark, no communication, no progress reports and only a couple of updates.

For a TOTL product, that’s not good enough, IMHO. TWO YEARS…

I know a couple of PA4x users that haven’t pulled the trigger on upgrading because of the missing features and unfinished bug fixing but there’s pretty much universal agreement about the considerable improvement in overall sound. These are guys that had no qualms going from PA3x to PA4x. I know Covid threw the world for a loop, but releasing the PA5x so half finished hasn’t done Korg’s reputation any good.

Seems to me most of the people ecstatic about their PA5x are people that didn’t previously own a PA4x…
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#509759 - 04/19/24 11:01 AM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Registered: 05/05/01
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Loc: israel
as an owner of both KETRON EVENT and KORG PAX5 i must say that there are also bugs in EVENT too , i can manage both of them because i am not in performance any more and i play only at home. but..... at home i prefere the PAX5 and most of the time use it and not the EVENT because of the contemporary styles and sounds though there are some sounds like electric guitars that i prefere on the EVENT. but thats me.


Edited by dud (04/19/24 11:02 AM)
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#509760 - 04/19/24 03:47 PM Re: KETRON EVENT - Why you need the PRO1 pack! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Registered: 11/14/99
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Loc: Punta Gorda Florida USA
I'm sorry but this isn't acceptable. One can't even trust a new keyboard so you only play it in private?? I have been hearing too much lately on the PAX5 and its shortcomings. My Genos2 would be on the fast track out of here if I couldn't trust it. And I am a home player. My standards shouldn't be lowered because of that. In 30+ years of owning Yamaha arrangers I can only remember firmware updates to fix minor problems. I was never left dead in the water.

I bought an EventX right before my Genos2 arrived. I haven't spent much time with it as I am loving Genos2 too much to find time for it. Just knowing and reading some posts about some of its release issues leaved a dark spot. Until I know things are fixed I can't even look at it now. This should not be my problem.

It's just like the news. You must be first reporting it even if you don't have the facts. Hopefully all these issues will be addressed soon. -charley

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