I thought I had already posted this last month, but apparently, I didn't. So, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAoy7N2AMT4

What do your ears tell you?

Tyros 5 Imo has a much richer deeper sounding presence....
but again I don't put much into YOU Tube videos...
who know what settings are being used on each..etc, etc. ..

Hi Mike,
That demo reinforces I made the right choice.

For the money and size, I would choose the SX900.

I need After-Touch plus T5 has better keybed, better solid buttons and overall better build...that's my choice.

All great points Graham...

To my ears and for my needs.... Baby Genos rules! Thanks Mike!

To my ears the Tyros sound more expressive and realistic.

Either one is better than my 3000, but both are only as good as the player at the keys.

That's true, Donny. The Genos, though, does sound better than a Tyros 5. Lucky you!

To my ears, the drums and voices in general sound clearer, more detailed and brighter than the Tyros 5. You did indeed make the right decision!

Has anyone heard of EQ? You can make it sound any way You want to...

Graham, as you know, when it comes to keyboards (and other things), the choice is a balance between what you'd really like, and how much you're willing to spend. Many here use the phrase, "Band-for-the-buck".

There are differences of opinions, and that’s always good.

I bought the Sx900 because I like the sound, and the NEW TECHNOLOGY. Each time I walk away from the keyboard I find myself smiling; I made a good choice.

I need more time before I can my opinion. I would not step to a Genos because of size and money. Do I have the extra money? Yes, it has been aside for this purpose. If I should decide to invest more money, I would buy another Sx900. Can you imagine what could be done with two of them. Can you imagine what they would look like? arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

John C.

You're welcome! It's the best feeling when you buy a high-priced item and you get confirmation that it was the right choice. And it's the worst feeling when you discover you made a mistake. In your case, it's the right choice!

Plus one! I had a Tyros5 yea it was a nice board but it came to a point I left it home and gigged with the Pa4x.

I'm with John C too each time I walk away from the SX900 I smile.

I don't have a T5 but I still have my T4.

The only thing the T4 has over the SX900 is possibly the keybed & selected SA2 voices but other than that the SX900 is superior in every other way.

The SX900 is the best value for money keyboard out there in my opinion, strip the Genos of some of it's features that most people possibly wouldn't use anyway and you are left with almost the exact sounding instrument with a few exceptions that the Genos exclusively has.

I am with Rikki and I know i definitely made the right choice. If anything, if I bought a Genos at such a high cost only to find Yamaha releasing the SX900 which sounds close for so much less I would have been annoyed, instead I am ecstatic !

Best value for the money is the Korg pa1000. Way more features and about 400 euro cheaper.. From Yamaha the best value for the money is the modx synthesizer. Ofcourse this is my opinion.

mine is better then yours just never stops....it's a disease.

+1 on that! The key is to pick an arranger that meets your preferences (size, weight, "personally" important features, sounds, and styles) and then focus your efforts to capitalize on that keyboard's strengths. Today's arrangers are all high quality - and all are capable of generating amazing results.

I am not saying the pa1000 is better only that is the best value for the money which it is. Yamaha arrangers are overpriced.

only overpriced for those that cannot afford them...
otherwise well worth the price imo.

Stupid answer Donny Make no sense at all.

Most who can't afford it love to "bash it"....
stupid?.. I think not,... sorry. enjoy whatever you play.
I'll stop there as it's Holiday Season.

Nobody bash it Donny you need to read the posts better.

That’s not bashing that’s a fact.

OK Fran whatever...like I said I am done with this.

I don't think Yamaha arrangers are over priced? They are usually comparable to anything else out there in the similar range especially at launch. The SX900 is still relatively new and will still fetch full price whereas the Pa1000 for example is a couple of years old now so I would expect it discounted as mine was when I purchased it.

Ok let say then every mid range and topl arrangers are overpriced. Look what you get with a Yahama modx synth. Why is this instrument only 1100 euro? Sound much better to me then any arranger out there and is full with features and also very important has usb audio.

I wouldn't class synths in the same category as arrangers? I've never owned a synth and I wouldn't want to, so I wouldn't care what they costed since it wouldn't be something I'd want. I would only compare prices between arrangers. I don't think Yamaha's are overpriced, even the Genos. In the UK the Genos & Audya 5 are similarly priced, the PA4x being a few hundred pounds cheaper, however if I had to go for a TOTL again it would be Genos out of those 3.

You can use the Montage or modx as an arranger. But that’s not my point. Why is an arranger so expensive if you compare it with a synth? Because they are overpriced especially Yamaha.

I love the Genos, and loved the PA4X, except I don't like semi-weighted keys. I liked the SX900, but it lacked some features than I want/need.
I didn't care much for the PA1000.
My opinion on the best arranger value for the money remains Roland EA7. It will hold its own with any MOL arranger and most TOL.
The point is that there are no bad choices; it's just a matter of what suits your needs best.

Yes everyone is different as I prefer semi weighted keys or even better full weighted hammer keys.

I'm with you Don +1 after a while Pa4x starts to take a toll on the digits lol ....
I must say Genos keybed is JUST RIGHT for me ..

TOTL Arrangers
Genos=$5999 (Sweetwater)
PA4X (76)=$4099 (Sweetwater)
SD9=$4199 (Audioworks CT)

Which one is clearly overpriced?

smart people never pay those prices..

Here in Aust. The korg is listed as $500 more expensive.
Probably be able to get a better discount on the korg than the sx, at the moment because yamaha is brand new on the market. But that will change.

I would not say calling a product overpriced means you can't afford it.

It could be, and a very small number at that.

I can speak personally... I do not like to be ripped off for anything..

I am aware of cost factors and believe in dealers making a profit..

I also know Manufacturers dictate selling prices.. Yes Yamaha for sure.
Bose another , also Peavey etc.

I consider benefits a high priced keyboard offers over a medium
priced keyboard.
If there are no major differences for me...
I would consider the lesser priced
unit.

I will say in my practice I pretty much decide to go with the top models..

There are hyped reasons to buy a particular product,
but if you make a list
of your needs, the less expensive instrument can be better for you.

It does
not mean you can't afford it.

Like DonM I also think the E-A7 offers the best value today.

I owned and sold my first one.. to DNJ, He sold it to Hammer,
He sold it to DonM..

I tried to buy it back after owning several other keyboards
after I sold it.
BK9 (twice) SD7 and test drove several more.

I purchased another new E-A7.. It offers so much more for the dollar,
that everytime
I think of selling it... I just can't do it.

As for smart buyers paying the lower price.. no such thing..
when we want something..
brain power comes in, not first.. emotions is in control.

Genos would have to be re valued by Yamaha with a street price around
$2,500 to interest me.. Same with other products like Fantom..

Not to say they are not great.. but greatly overpriced..
If I really wanted to pay those prices.
I would find a way.. Maybe my wife's cookie jar..

The simple solution is just don't buy it if it's too much money to spend ...
What one person does with their money and is willing to spend means squat to the next person.
We all get ripped off on everything we buy in life without even realizing it.
I'm off now to Starbucks to buy a $5.00 Cappuccino vente
& luv every sip.

I'll be loading a keyboard into my 06 Expedition, and it costs more than my vehicle is worth!
I hope I'm as happy with the Genos when it has 214,000 miles on it.

or when you make $214000.00 with it..

Have a fun night Don - I know you will "rock out" w/the "Big G"! Enjoy!

You are missing the point. The prices are for comparison purposes-two are from the same store and one from Frank since Sweetwater does not sell the SD9. The Genos is at least $1800 more than the other 2. So it is clear that when someone says it is overpriced that there is ample evidence to support that fact. Anyone can indeed spend money on whatever they want.

Bill you are not going to convince Donny

People pay $15 a pack for cigarettes...
Hundreds on lottery tickets..
Go Out to eat 2,3x a day, 200.00 Broadway shows,
150.00 concerts. Baseball games, Football games...Disney land vacation, cruises..
50.00 to get your nails done.. It never ends...
Is it overpriced?... Or is it worth the pleasure?

Money didn’t really come into the equation with my decision in purchasing the sx900. I sold over $6k’s worth of keyboards and replaced them with 2 ( sx900 and the p121 ) which ended up costing less than half.
Didn’t need the extra knobs, sliders, keys, etc that the Genos had to offer. Operating system appears to be pretty much the same.
Use piano sound for melody for probably 90% of what I play, so aftertouch not that important.

If I’d had the opportunity of picking up a really good second hand one , with a warranty thru one of the stores, ( chance of that , big fat zero) I probably would have been tempted,
but paying well over double the price of the sx900, plus having to add the price of a good set of speakers, value wise, just didn’t add up.

Why do people assume Genos is not worth the price?

Because it ISN'T worth the price if it's not worth it to THEM. BTW, I haven't really heard anyone 'bash' it in this thread, only state their opinion of why they bought what they bought. I DO remember YOU doing a little GENOS-bashing in the early days BEFORE YOU BOUGHT ONE (after first trying everything else). I also remember you bashing anything with more than 61 keys or without internal speakers. So I guess we've had a change of heart about that too? Also, isn't it a little presumptuous to assume that people bash the Genos because they can't afford it. How would you know what they can and can not afford? And maybe some people are more responsible about their finances than others. One last thing; I didn't hear anyone in this thread say that 'mine is better than yours'; where did that come from? Might be a good idea to READ what's posted, ABSORB what you've read, and THINK before posting a response. Other than that......

chas

Boy are you asking the wrong guy
Never bought a pack of cigs.. I was never that dumb
Don't buy lottery tickets.
Only go out to eat once or twice a day
Don't go to broadway shows, concerts, cruises, baseball or football games, nor Disney anything... and I don't take vacations ( just send my wife)

I live my life the way I do because I am content.. I am not looking for anything (nothing is missing)

And most important, no need to assume Genos is not worth the.. cost.

I know it

Do I like it sure, just would not buy one new at any price.. I will wait till you throw it out the window... Unless I get tired following you on the Parkway

+1

Here in the Netherlands the Korg pa1000 cost 1799 euro and the Yamaha sx900 cost 2290 euro That’s 500 euro more. Now taking into account that the Pa1000 comes with a lot more features like semi weighted keys, aftertouch, synthesizer, sampler etc my choice will be the Korg.

Weird isn’t it, the huge price difference in our 2 countries.
Can’t really disagree, functions / features in korg vs Yamaha, korg wins out.
Personally, just wanted to try something new after 10 years,
I’m enjoying mine.

Yes Rikki after playing Yamaha for many years I changed to Korg and other brands such as Casio so I understand you. The new Yamaha psr sx serie sound very good and maby in the future I get myself a sx700. For now I wait for the next generation Korg pa’s.