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#455859 - 08/08/18 07:49 AM
Casio Ct X5000
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Edited by Dnj (08/09/18 02:50 PM)
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#455888 - 08/09/18 07:42 AM
Re: Casio X5000....
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 11/11/04
Posts: 698
Loc: Russia
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I don’t like to sound like a “hater”, but I’m sorry to say that I’ve heard nothing “tasty” in these videos. It’s year 2018 now and this sounds like some games for PC from nineties.
The second video is too..., what is the word..., pretentious, I guess… even with some mixed message, I mean, a guy comes in with a keyboard, plays it for a while and leaves it there.
But my concern is that this affordability which is often spoken about in the context of Casio’s keyboards, is, in my opinion, a myth.
I guess, they just look where Yamaha has a gap in their range, like between psr-e463 and psr-s670, and fill this gap with their product. For a long time they were successfully selling their low-end digital piano, I guess, it was CDP-120, because there was no alternative from Yamaha, and only some time later Yamaha offered something like P-35.
To my mind, affordability is when you buy, for example, a phone from Xiaomi, instead of iPhone, and although you deal with compromises later (and with benefits as well), you end up paying about 3-10 times less. This is affordability. But you are just saving close to nothing by choosing Casio over Yamaha.
This CT-X5000 is not that much cheaper than PSR-S670, but the second one offers a really grown-up stuff, and what’s the point of spending even more on Casio MZ-X500 when for that money you can buy Yamaha MX61 - a tool which actually can be used in a serious work.
I feel weird that even Donny has a Yamaha logo on his avatar now, because Yamaha is becoming some sort of president Putin in Russia - “everyone likes him because what’s there not to like?”.
I may speculate that the way which allows Casio to survive in the market is that they target those who are buying their first or second keyboard, or as a gift for somebody else. This way the customer is not trained enough to hear the difference, but with Casio it’s always some “new revolutionary sound engine” and “it has never been available at this price before” - which I find misleading, just like advertising is supposed to be.
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#455896 - 08/09/18 12:29 PM
Re: Casio X5000....
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 11/11/04
Posts: 698
Loc: Russia
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I’d rather not to change my words afterwards. But I used quotation marks, giving it as some sort of hypothetical utterance, to illustrate that domination of one brand is not really a healthy thing.
I personally really want these new Casio’s to be great, I want to see a real competition here. But so far I’m dissatisfied even with the way they promote it. The man in a suit plays the brass in a highly unnatural way, and overall it doesn’t seem like a very enjoyable playing. I also have some recent Casio’s brochures; they’re quite unimpressive themselves, I mean, the quality of photos and textual content. To me it seems as signs of compromises which are allowed to be. “Okay here, okay there…”. It all plays in favor of competitors. Eventually the distance gets larger and larger and we know how it ends.
I’m all ready to be impressed with promotional videos of any brand. I haven’t invested into any brand for about 5 years, it’s not like I have a need to justify my recent decision, and I’d go with Casio if it were a real bargain, but… so far I know that I’d be happy if I got Casio as a gift, I’d play it and enjoy quite a lot, but having a choice… again, I just don’t see this affordability.
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#455915 - 08/09/18 09:41 PM
Re: Casio X5000....
[Re: FransN]
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Registered: 03/02/06
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I am also done with this thread and probably with synthzone because of the brand bashing going one here. It wasn’t me, was it? Atleast not in this topic... Because these low end Casio’s offer a lot of value for the money.. Surprisingly i pefer many of their sounds above the px-560.. Espescially in the department where i previously in another post described the weaknesses of the Casio sound engine.. Yet where it comes to the actuall style arrangements, i think theye should make another step at Casio... does anyone know if you can import yamaha styles, just as in the mz-x500? At that price this instrument is really really competitive... it has to offer much more then the yamaha psr-e series... however, its not the price class i am personally interested in, and you can’t compare these instruments to Pa4x, sd9 and Genos ... There is a difference between being critical and brand bashing... when it comes to casio, i still think style arrangements are underperforming compared to the big guys... however feature wise, they are on top of their game.. still think the mz-x500 has the best interface for any under €3000 arranger. I think its good to say praise where its due and to be critical at other moments. Thats not brand bashing, thats being open and honest. On top of it, that are opinions... Different opinions are a blessing, or we would all be playing the pa4x, which would make this forum a litlle dull, would it?
Edited by Bachus (08/09/18 09:53 PM)
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#455942 - 08/10/18 01:30 PM
Re: Casio X5000....
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 11/11/04
Posts: 698
Loc: Russia
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I really don’t want to change the focus, mostly I was within the subject of the promotional video, which Casio has released, and I was questioning the way they are promoting their products and what their chances are to succeed.
There’re quite few keyboards out there in the market, if we can’t feel comfortable discussing it freely, I don’t really know what to discuss in the first place. I shared my impressions, including emotional ones, and my thoughts, I expect to be corrected if I’m wrong about something, this is the point of speaking publicly, still, I’m not attacking anyone personally.
It’s a challenge to handle a disagreement in a productive way, and staying away from religion and politics maybe we can practice it with keyboards.
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#455947 - 08/10/18 06:19 PM
Re: Casio X5000....
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 04/28/06
Posts: 805
Loc: North Texas, USA
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I guess I missed all the action--whew!
I too want Casio to succeed, with GEM and Technics gone, the more alternatives the better! Maybe I could draw my own conclusions about the sound, interface, keybed quality--IF I could actually find and play one of these boards in a store.
The Casio MZ-X500 has been out for at least a year. I've never seen one in a store. Nor have I seen the Roland E-A7, or any Ketron product. Internet sales are undercutting the costs of brick & mortar, I get it. So IMO if the manufacturers want to break in with increased sales, it's incumbent upon them to host pop-up events, demo stands in malls, etc.
I'm ok with Yamaha. But I often wonder if it sells because it's what's there. Thanks for letting me vent!
Edit: One more thing, this is one of the lightest, most compact arrangers out there. But the lack of a DIN MIDI jack makes me lean toward the MZ-X500. Bad move on Casio's part IMO.
Edited by TedS (08/10/18 06:23 PM)
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#455948 - 08/10/18 08:57 PM
Re: Casio X5000....
[Re: Dnj]
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Senior Member
Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
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I like to read what Kabinopus has to say when he posts. Agreement or disagreement should should not even enter the picture. We're here to state different viewpoints on different issues. Why do the potholes have to open up. I was sailing along reading Kabinopus's opening messages and enjoying the refreshment of one of the "thinkers" on the Synthzone and anticipating some healthy replies. Next thing I know I was thrown into a series of potholes and everything went South from there.
On the other hand, and this is not directed at anyone, "brand-bashing" is confusing to those who read the "brand-bash." Sometimes you forget to remember that they are opinions, nothing more. Now if you're looking to purchase something, you're also getting input not only from here, but from your keyboard salesman, media articles, your musician friends, company ads, Internet blogs and Internet "fake news." All of the latter NOT being opinions but, unfortunately, manipulation.
But the biggest problem of "brand-bashing" and "anything-bashing" is the negativity it produces. There is too much negativity and confusion going on in today's world, in general, without it being displayed and perpetuated here.
I still remember one of the members here said about a year ago (under different circumstances) something like: "At the end of the day, I can't wait to go on the Synthzone and view the posts. It's very therapeutic and is my end of the day treat."
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#455955 - 08/10/18 10:33 PM
Re: Casio X5000....
[Re: TedS]
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Senior Member
Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 7143
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I guess I missed all the action--whew!
I too want Casio to succeed, with GEM and Technics gone, the more alternatives the better! Maybe I could draw my own conclusions about the sound, interface, keybed quality--IF I could actually find and play one of these boards in a store.
The Casio MZ-X500 has been out for at least a year. I've never seen one in a store. Nor have I seen the Roland E-A7, or any Ketron product. Internet sales are undercutting the costs of brick & mortar, I get it. So IMO if the manufacturers want to break in with increased sales, it's incumbent upon them to host pop-up events, demo stands in malls, etc.
I'm ok with Yamaha. But I often wonder if it sells because it's what's there. Thanks for letting me vent!
Edit: One more thing, this is one of the lightest, most compact arrangers out there. But the lack of a DIN MIDI jack makes me lean toward the MZ-X500. Bad move on Casio's part IMO. It almost feels like the MZ-X has been discontinued in Europe It looks like this cheaper model has an upgraded sound engine compared to the MZ-X series.
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#455970 - 08/11/18 06:34 AM
Re: Casio X5000....
[Re: Kabinopus]
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Registered: 05/16/09
Posts: 1415
Loc: Netherlands
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I really don’t want to change the focus, mostly I was within the subject of the promotional video, which Casio has released, and I was questioning the way they are promoting their products and what their chances are to succeed.
There’re quite few keyboards out there in the market, if we can’t feel comfortable discussing it freely, I don’t really know what to discuss in the first place. I shared my impressions, including emotional ones, and my thoughts, I expect to be corrected if I’m wrong about something, this is the point of speaking publicly, still, I’m not attacking anyone personally.
It’s a challenge to handle a disagreement in a productive way, and staying away from religion and politics maybe we can practice it with keyboards. Then don’t mention Putin in your post if you want to stay away from politics. I asked you polite to remove these sentence about Putin but you refused. And saying that the ct x5000 sound like a game of the 90’s isn’t really a discussion but is brand bashing from a Yamaha fanboy.
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#456075 - 08/12/18 09:54 AM
Re: Casio Ct X5000
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 10/08/00
Posts: 4715
Loc: West Virginia
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I’ll put my 2 cents in (for what it’s worth). First I disagree with the negative comments posted by a member, and sorry, but find it laughable to see this person compare the sounds quality to the 90’s. To make a statement like that IMO is just silly.
Casio has filled a gap Yamaha left wide open for the taking. That CTX5000 is an exceptional bargain. Yamaha, Korg, and Roland can’t touch what it does for the price. The presets are pretty darn good on the 5000, and there are plenty of users out there that have done a side by side comparison with this and the only contender Yamaha has (current E series), and many have said they felt the 5000 had better sounds. Honestly, how can a person say the 5000 sounds like the 90’s after hearing that antiquated Yamaha piano on the E series contender.
Casio snuck in and dropped a good model filling a gap that Yamaha and others have ignored for years. Their new AiX sound engine is actually quite good. Casio has really upped their game, but unfortunately will always have “haters” who will always bash them, even when they are beating the competition.
Sqk
Edited by squeak_D (08/12/18 09:56 AM)
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#456095 - 08/12/18 02:05 PM
Re: Casio Ct X5000
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 11/11/04
Posts: 698
Loc: Russia
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You know, I’m doing my best not to be a fan or a hater of anything and try to stay open minded. But if a promotional video is intended to make an impression, I can’t help feeling about it like I do and to speak about it. As music is both intellectual and emotional thing, an emotional evaluation has its own right to exist.
But comparing this music to the music of 90’s games I’m not being too abstract about it. That music was in fact quite good in many cases, but Casio’s version of contemporary dance music in the video was, in my opinion, highly unconvincing.
The key thing is, I guess, that the keyboard is presented as something shocking, as if everyone should be out of words with delight, as Casio says, it’s a “Monster sound”.
If I’ve heard something that I like, why wouldn’t I be exited about that? I’m not a reach man and I’d love to buy something comparable to PSR-S770+ for half the price.
The thing is that it’s a usual practice for Casio to announce each new keyboard as something revolutionary, giving new names for their “sound engines”. Before “YouTube” it used to be that I made a long trip to the store to try this “a keyboard of my dream”, but it didn’t take me more than a minute to become disillusioned.
I did try PX-560 at store last year and watched carefully lots of videos of it, but I found no reason to call it a bargain. If it sounded like PSR-S770, yes, that would be a great tool, but it doesn’t. I don’t think that it’s a bad keyboard either.
Coincidentally, I’ve been expressing a lot of skeptical thoughts about Yamaha Genos on this forum, still, we managed not to give each other labels.
There’re a lot of things I don’t like about PSR, and that’s why I want Casio or other brand to push Yamaha harder.
But I’m not going to support a promotional video which I didn’t like.
Generally, I’m a little bit alarmed with Casio products, because, for example, as one review stated, CT-X700 doesn’t even allow to adjust volume of dual/split voices. I’ve checked the manual and it seems to be correct. To me it seems as some carelessness, which was allowed to happen. And altogether I don’t see Casio being successful in other fields, this is my rough observation, but I just don’t see them being much around in the world of modern personal electronics nowadays.
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