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#455859 - 08/08/18 07:49 AM Casio Ct X5000
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#455864 - 08/08/18 09:05 AM . [Re: FransN]
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#455884 - 08/09/18 06:23 AM . [Re: FransN]
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#455886 - 08/09/18 06:32 AM . [Re: Dnj]
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#455887 - 08/09/18 07:11 AM Re: Casio X5000.... [Re: Dnj]
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#455888 - 08/09/18 07:42 AM Re: Casio X5000.... [Re: Dnj]
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I don’t like to sound like a “hater”, but I’m sorry to say that I’ve heard nothing “tasty” in these videos. It’s year 2018 now and this sounds like some games for PC from nineties.

The second video is too..., what is the word..., pretentious, I guess… even with some mixed message, I mean, a guy comes in with a keyboard, plays it for a while and leaves it there.

But my concern is that this affordability which is often spoken about in the context of Casio’s keyboards, is, in my opinion, a myth.

I guess, they just look where Yamaha has a gap in their range, like between psr-e463 and psr-s670, and fill this gap with their product. For a long time they were successfully selling their low-end digital piano, I guess, it was CDP-120, because there was no alternative from Yamaha, and only some time later Yamaha offered something like P-35.

To my mind, affordability is when you buy, for example, a phone from Xiaomi, instead of iPhone, and although you deal with compromises later (and with benefits as well), you end up paying about 3-10 times less. This is affordability. But you are just saving close to nothing by choosing Casio over Yamaha.

This CT-X5000 is not that much cheaper than PSR-S670, but the second one offers a really grown-up stuff, and what’s the point of spending even more on Casio MZ-X500 when for that money you can buy Yamaha MX61 - a tool which actually can be used in a serious work.

I feel weird that even Donny has a Yamaha logo on his avatar now, because Yamaha is becoming some sort of president Putin in Russia - “everyone likes him because what’s there not to like?”.

I may speculate that the way which allows Casio to survive in the market is that they target those who are buying their first or second keyboard, or as a gift for somebody else. This way the customer is not trained enough to hear the difference, but with Casio it’s always some “new revolutionary sound engine” and “it has never been available at this price before” - which I find misleading, just like advertising is supposed to be.

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#455894 - 08/09/18 11:27 AM Re: Casio X5000.... [Re: FransN]
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I don’t really see the point to identify ourselves according to products that happen to be in our houses. After all, it’s not such a luxury to have lots of different keyboards of any brand. So I see it a little bit illogical to be emotional about it.

But as I personally deal with keyboards quite a lot myself, I’m interested to know what’s going on in this area. If there’s a chance that I may collaborate with some brand in the future, or just make some consulting work, I have to go further than “Oh, they are all nice” or “it’s up to personal preferences”.

I can just picture a situation when I’m to sell one keyboard and have to decide which one that will be, keeping in mind that I’ll have to deal with (dis)satisfied costumers later. I believe that this logic can help me be less biased (living creatures can’t be totally not-biased, I think).

I’m not trying to turn it into an argument over whose toy is better and I’d rather not to discuss politics here, I mentioned Putin just as a specific phenomena here, locally.

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#455896 - 08/09/18 12:29 PM Re: Casio X5000.... [Re: Dnj]
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I’d rather not to change my words afterwards. But I used quotation marks, giving it as some sort of hypothetical utterance, to illustrate that domination of one brand is not really a healthy thing.

I personally really want these new Casio’s to be great, I want to see a real competition here. But so far I’m dissatisfied even with the way they promote it. The man in a suit plays the brass in a highly unnatural way, and overall it doesn’t seem like a very enjoyable playing. I also have some recent Casio’s brochures; they’re quite unimpressive themselves, I mean, the quality of photos and textual content. To me it seems as signs of compromises which are allowed to be. “Okay here, okay there…”. It all plays in favor of competitors. Eventually the distance gets larger and larger and we know how it ends.

I’m all ready to be impressed with promotional videos of any brand. I haven’t invested into any brand for about 5 years, it’s not like I have a need to justify my recent decision, and I’d go with Casio if it were a real bargain, but… so far I know that I’d be happy if I got Casio as a gift, I’d play it and enjoy quite a lot, but having a choice… again, I just don’t see this affordability.

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#455898 - 08/09/18 12:51 PM Re: Casio X5000.... [Re: Dnj]
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don't know where this is going but politics or religion I don't discuss ever..I just walk away.


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