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#455515 - 07/31/18 03:29 PM Working with SysX and SD40
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In a different thread the topic of working with SysX and an SD40 came up. We started on a video earlier today that will show a few commands in action, but we don't have it quite finished yet.

For now, one question regarding where you can find the "tab/sys" option came up. We do have that part of the video done but wanted to share the answer early. You need to go into the MIDI Menu and then touch "Arranger Keyboard." Next, touch "RX" on the left side and then on the lower right touch "Filter." The next screen is where you will find the "Tab" option. It defaults to on. You want to turn it off. Also, make sure you are using MIDI In 2 on the SD40.

We should get the video finished up in the next day or so and will update when it's ready to go.
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#455567 - 08/01/18 09:47 PM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: IMMusic_Curt]
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Thank you. I found it. I must have wandered into it; it was already left off.

Thank you for all the help. You are doing the work of Ketron.

Chris
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#455583 - 08/02/18 08:23 AM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: IMMusic_Curt]
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OK, we finished up the video where we show a few commands sending from Logic to our SD40. Also, take note of the banks we mention should you want to access the styles from an external device.

Sending SysX data to an SD40
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#455608 - 08/02/18 04:58 PM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: IMMusic_Curt]
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Now I know what's happening.

According to the Ketron SD40 Table pdf file, your SysX is for the Audya series, and yet works on the SD40, too. I was working with the SysX messages for the MS, X, and SD series as in the manual, and none of it worked. AJ emailed me F0 26 7C 67 7F F7 00. It didn't work.I found out that a 00 message after the F7 message will just lead to an invalid SysEx message. I also found out that the SysX under the heading of Foot switch MIDIJPRO works on the SD40. Phew, Ketron sure knows how to throw customers a curve ball.

Thank you, Curt, for the correct information. BTW, in the video you mention various banks for calling up factory and user styles. I could not find a single reference in the manual, do you have a chart for the banks and program numbers for the styles?

Thank you again,
Chris
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#455624 - 08/03/18 08:19 AM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: Torch]
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Chris - Do you have a base SD40 or the AJAMSonic version? I do have all the user voices mapped out for the AJAMSonic version if needed?

For styles - I've started to build a spreadsheet but it's not complete yet. Try this for styles:

Bank40 = Ballad, Bank41 = Pop, Bank41 = Dance etc.
Bank50 = User Ballad, Bank51 = User Pop, etc.

Here's the mapping for Factory Ballad:

Group Bank Patch Style
./Ballad:
40 0 8Beat_1
40 1 8Beat_2
40 2 8Beat_3
40 3 16Beat_1
40 4 16Beat_2
40 5 16Beat_3
40 6 70Beat_1
40 7 70Beat_2
40 8 Acoustic_Folk
40 9 British_Tune
40 10 Country_Beat
40 11 Cuban_Ballad
40 12 Electro_90
40 13 EuroBeat
40 14 Folk_12_8
40 15 Folk_Song
40 16 Light_Mood
40 17 Moderato
40 18 Modern_Brush
40 19 Pop_Melody
40 20 Rock_Ballad
40 21 Slow_Ballad
40 22 Smooth_Analog
40 23 Soul_Ballad
40 24 Spatzenbeat
40 25 Studio_16
40 26 Upbeat
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#455628 - 08/03/18 10:38 AM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: IMMusic_Curt]
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Curt, I have purchased the AJAMSonic version and all the extra styles as a way of supporting AJ for all the work he's been doing that the manufacturer should have done in the first place.

Your help is greatly appreciated. I will wait until you are finished with the spreadsheet.

Chris
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#455688 - 08/04/18 02:57 PM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: IMMusic_Curt]
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hello,

here is my setup how to use sysex data. Since I like to switch quickly, I use an ipad with the most important values that I use on stage. The ipad sends the sysex data via Bluetooth to the SD 40. This works fine and saves me time. In the photo you can see the variation, as I am currently working. but I will probably add it to a few more parameters.

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#455702 - 08/04/18 10:13 PM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: MusiMa]
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Originally Posted By MusiMa
hello,

here is my setup how to use sysex data. Since I like to switch quickly, I use an ipad with the most important values that I use on stage. The ipad sends the sysex data via Bluetooth to the SD 40. This works fine and saves me time. In the photo you can see the variation, as I am currently working. but I will probably add it to a few more parameters.

Regards
That's nice. Which app do you use to send sysEx, and how do you use Bluetooth MIDI to connect with the SD40?

Thanks.
Chris
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#455704 - 08/05/18 12:28 AM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: IMMusic_Curt]
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Hi Chris,

The app is called Midi Designer Pro 2, a very comprehensive app that can realize very complex Midi controllers. Unfortunately, Ketron did not release so many Sysex data for the SD 40. That's why I had to trick.

From the beginning: behind each button on the iPad are two more and a knob hidden. This is needed to send the two Sysex data mentioned above, because tabs always send two, one on press and one on release. However, only those functions can be addressed that really have buttons on the SD 40. Ketron has also released only Sysex data for the Micro. For all the other functions like Intro / End or Voicetron I use the footswitch. I've created a set of footswitch in the Ketron with the values ​​I want to control with iPad. The footswitch allows many functions. With Sysex, every footswitch button can be addressed. The footswitch does not even have to be connected.
Incidentally, the app can read out the Sysex values. For the wireless transmission I use from Yamaha the midi adapter MD BT01. The app recognizes the adapter easily and connects.

I hope this helps. If necessary, I would like to show in a new topic how this is realized with Midi Designer.

Regards
Matthias

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#455713 - 08/05/18 07:35 AM Re: Working with SysX and SD40 [Re: MusiMa]
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Nice! smile

We are not playing out, but if we did, I really like the iPad idea.
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