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#453394 - 06/11/18 09:55 AM O.T. Windows 10 update problems
cgiles Offline
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I have had several problems with recent Windows 10 updates. On my office machine the computer would not wake up from sleep mode (it woke up but the display was gone). After weeks of trying every suggested fix on the internet, I finally got it to work again but then the face recognition on sign-on stopped working ("can't turn camera on"). Haven't resolved that yet (have to enter PIN from keyboard). On my studio computer, after the latest two updates, the playback audio from the computer started to distort (horribly) after about 10-15 minutes of playing. It wasn't the interface (Alesis I/O 26) as the instruments played fine through, only the playback tracks from the computer were affected. I solved that by uninstalling the last two updates (both Security updates).

Has anyone else had any (recent) problems after major updates?

chas
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#453397 - 06/11/18 10:26 AM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
Dnj Offline
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Sorry I can't help I only use Win7 pro on all with a solid state HD....no problems

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#453399 - 06/11/18 10:46 AM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
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HI Chas

With so many different programs out there it is always possible that an update might break them if they have not been designed correctly, (Particularly if they are old) make sure you have all the latest drivers (Don’t rely on Windows choosing the correct one) and program updates (Reinstalling will usually cure the problem) as sometimes earlier versions might not meet the latest security requirements.
The sleep problem could be a Motherboard setting that needs changing, (Although it’s probably just a driver problem) so check the manual. (Also make sure the BIOS is up to date)
A long distance fix is always difficult but a good computer tech should be able to help if you still have problems.

Bill
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#453401 - 06/11/18 01:32 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Thanks Bill, much appreciated. I will follow your advice. Should I stop the automatic updates?

chas
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#453402 - 06/11/18 01:58 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
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Chas, went through the same thing with my wife's laptop PC. Finally, in desperation, did a restoration to an earlier date, which solved all the problems. My son, the programmer, said the updates are pretty much unnecessary and some have caused lots of problems. He stopped the updates and we have not had a single problem since. As the old saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

Good luck,

Gary cool
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#453403 - 06/11/18 02:05 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Gary, you're reading my mind. Both machines were working perfectly before the updates. I think I will selectively install certain updates depending on what they're fixing or adding. I'll test all my driver-dependent stuff and if anything comes up shakey, I'll uninstall the update. Thanks for responding. Glad to know I wasn't alone.

chas
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#453412 - 06/11/18 03:01 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
abacus Offline
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Hi Chas

A lot of updates are for security purposes so under no circumstances turn these off, feature updates can be delayed to allow time for any problems to be fixed, however you cannot stop the updates in Win 10 without going into the registry, (They will always eventually install to keep things up to date) which I would not recommend unless you know what you are doing.
Uninstalling an update that is causing a problem is fine, as a further update that fixes the problem will come along in a short space of time. (You can also report it to Microsoft)

Bill
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#453413 - 06/11/18 03:04 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
solomon8 Offline
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Registered: 12/20/05
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I have gotten the best result by having a audio only computer. Once I have a good OS installed, usually Windows 7. I don't do any further Windows updates. I never go on the internet. This has worked great for me.

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#453414 - 06/11/18 03:14 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: solomon8]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By solomon8
I have gotten the best result by having a audio only computer. Once I have a good OS installed, usually Windows 7. I don't do any further Windows updates. I never go on the internet. This has worked great for me.


Same SOL here WIN 7 on both my performance laptops which never went on the internet ever,.....running stable and thankfully no problems..

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#453417 - 06/11/18 03:47 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
Riceroni9 Offline
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If you are fed up with being a "hostage" to the tyranny of Windows and all the baggage that comes with it... take a peek at Linux Cinnamon Mint. It has a graphical user interface, costs zero and is bringing more new programs and apps "on-board" (most are free) every day. I've been using it for several months now and really like it... especially for use on the Internet coupled with Firefox. Best of luck, regardless. ----Mayberry Dave

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#453420 - 06/11/18 04:01 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Bill, you're correct in that you can't stop the (auto) updates, but you can PAUSE them for 35 days. However, you can't do a second or subsequent 'pause' until you do the updates. Uninstalling the culprit seems to be the only recourse. Of course it gets reinstalled at the next update smile smile. Oh well, I'm too old to switch to MAC at this point smile.

chas
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#453421 - 06/11/18 04:34 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
Dnj Offline
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Just buy a Mac....!

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#453422 - 06/11/18 06:16 PM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
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Donny, Mac has it's own unique problems. And, like Chas, I'm too damned old to mess with a new OS PC.

Gary cool
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#453427 - 06/12/18 12:32 AM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
abacus Offline
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Check on the MAC forums and you will find a tale of woe as updates have broken certain programs, however whereas Microsoft try to make updates compatible with older software, (Up to a point) however with MAC you have to usefully rely on the program manufacture as in most cases if you bring it to the attention of Apple, they just give you the finger. (Do a search on the web and you will find that even serious Apple fans are ditching them as they have become too restrictive)

Bill
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#453428 - 06/12/18 12:33 AM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: Riceroni9]
abacus Offline
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Loc: English Riviera, UK
Originally Posted By Riceroni9
If you are fed up with being a "hostage" to the tyranny of Windows and all the baggage that comes with it... take a peek at Linux Cinnamon Mint. It has a graphical user interface, costs zero and is bringing more new programs and apps "on-board" (most are free) every day. I've been using it for several months now and really like it... especially for use on the Internet coupled with Firefox. Best of luck, regardless. ----Mayberry Dave



Been using Linux since the late 90s (You really had to work to get it to work properly then) as a secondary system and providing the free programs available will do the job that you require it’s great, however with Linux it is not unusual for an update to completely change the system (Way bigger than what you normally get with Windows) which can get really confusing unless you have a full understanding of Linux, (And the particular Distro that you are using) plus a lot of specialist programs will not run even under WINE so you have to learn a whole new program.

If anybody wishes to try Linux I always recommend to use Virtual Box (Or similar) and run it in a virtual machine to make sure it is for you, before installing it as your main system. (As you say if it suits then it’s all you will need for most use, however don’t be conned into believing what the Linux Fans say that it is the best thing out there, as it only that in certain circumstances. (Just like any OS)
NOTE: Make sure you research all the Linux Distros out there as not all will suit your requirements.

Bill
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English Riviera:
Live entertainment, Real Ale, Great Scenery, Great Beaches, why would anyone want to live anywhere else (I�m definitely staying put).

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#453432 - 06/12/18 06:05 AM Re: O.T. Windows 10 update problems [Re: cgiles]
Riceroni9 Offline
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Registered: 11/15/04
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Hi Bill:

Thanks for "chiming-in!" You are 100% correct. Always crawl before attempting to "walk!" The "net" is full of ways and alternatives for accomplishing the acquisition, familiarization and actual usage of all the many variations of Linux.

I tried "Red Hat" years ago and within 30 days... walked away from it. I'm not a programmer or code-man. I am a "user" only of any operating system. The Graphical User Interface of "MINT" is the key to "launching this puppy" IMHO. Most of the guys and gals here must own 3 or 4 keyboards costing thousands more than a PC.

I would not be surprised if many already own as many PC's as I do. Take one completely off-line, remove any software, programs or records you need to keep... then wipe that sucker clean. (You can get that free, too.) Then install "MINT" and learn the "ropes." Once you are satisfied, start using it by taking baby steps. Get comfortable with it... then bring it "on-line."

Before doing anything... do a little research. Read about what others have done, their failures and successes.

Best wishes for a smooth transition if you give it a try. It isn't "Rocket Science."

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