But it does come with a case .

https://www.adorama.com/hsx1d50cmk.html?...=chrome_ff&

chas

Yes... it is expensive at its MAP price of $5499!! BUT $20,000 for a camera lense?!?

chas, that's like the 61 key model ... check this one out ...
https://www.adorama.com/hsh5d200cms.html...jxoClv0QAvD_BwE

But it IS a Hasselblad ...
and free shipping ...

But no case...

Hey Tony, at $45k I'm wondering who or what I'd take a photo OF. Who buys these things?

chas

The same people that smash their guitars after a performance (rich).

I’m going to think it’s sports/action photographers who earn their living maybe who would go the Hasselblad route? Yea and as Zuki wrote rich people.

For a pro/semipro or very serious hobbyist you could easily spend close to $9000 for a Canon body and the so called “Holy Trinity” of lenses. Those are lenses that cover from extremely wide angle to zoom level enough do portraits/sports/wildlife.

Canon 5D Mark IV body only $3299
Canon 16-35 mmf2.8 $1999
Canon 24-70 mm f2.8 $1749
Canon70-200 mm f2.8. $1949
Total cost. $8996

I don’t know anyone paying anywhere close to $5000 for a Genos which makes it seem like a better deal than the Canon gear. From visiting photography forums there are quite a number of not for pay photographers who spend what you see above and that doesn’t include lighting and tripod(s).

I’m sure Cap’n Russ could weigh in on this.

Professionals who are shooting pics for large commercial enterprises, such as auto manufacturers, high priced jewelry designers such as Rolex, TAG Heuer, etc., or doing photo shoots for clothing designers such as Lauren, etc. etc. etc. Even pros who shoot celebrity weddings ...
When we look at photos of high priced 'anything' in magazines, we usually don't stop to examine them, but if we did, we would no doubt find the image to be flawless ...

And then there are those who like zuki said, are just rich, and can afford to buy REALLY expensive toys ...

I had the pleasure of access to a Hasselblad camera when I was advertising manager for Murphy Oil, back in the late 60's, early 70's. That was my last exposure to them, but at that time it just didn't get any better.

Two things I have owned that make my Genos look very reasonable $$$...horses and cameras.

Medium format cameras work well for landscape as has been mentioned I believe.

My photo website:

https://westernminnguy.smugmug.com/

My eyes are still o.k., but they were way better years ago. I would often opt for medium or large format cameras because I could see the difference over 35mm. One of my favorites was a relatively inexpensive Mamiyaflex 2 1/4 x 2 1/4. Shot a Roliflex some when I was in the newspaper business, but couldn't tell much difference. Best image back then was probably 4x5 Speed Graphic. Talking mostly black and white. I had my own darkroom at home for years.
Only thing left now besides modern digital cameras is a Minolta 35 with several lenses. Haven't used it in a number of years.

There’s a guy by the name of Ansel Adams that did some great landscapes with a medium format camera.

Ansel Adams is a god among photographers ... he would camp out all night at places to get the first light of day for some photos ...

This is expensive ( 2.500.000€ in Holland)

https://www.bugatti.com/chiron/

but it is beautiful

Impuls

His originals are hard to find and sell for big $$$.

If I could still make $$$ in photography...this would be my next camera.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1394217-REG/sony_ilce_7m3_alpha_a7_iii_mirrorless.html

I have spent $10,000 plus lots of times for lenses. The standard for fashion is medium format. Quality is a function of the chip for digital and size of film-need a good lens-for film.

For magazine covers, a medium format 2 1/4"x 3 1/4" is the exact proportion of the printed image area. That is important for critical field shooting of cover art; especially if there is lots of copy. A 4"x5" is ideal. You use a negative of the masthead as a back plate mask and compose around that. Problem is, the image is upside down and backwards and you don't see the image as the shutter goes off. A full blown 35mm" neg results in an 8 12"x 12" image...not "what the Dr. ordered for print, generally, and must be cropped for even less precision.

With Cannons, there is nothing wrong with little Rebels, except the size of the chip. Depth of field is critical to many types of photography, and you need a full size chip to get the desired results.

With lenses, the smaller the f stop, the narrower the depth of field. Likewise, the larger the f stop (say, f 64), the better the depth of field (the distance in focus). Cheap digital lenses don't stop down nearly enough. None are wide enough for world class portraiture.

Parallax, or the converging (not parallel) edges on architecture and rectangular products is a massive "no-no".
If the taking section (film or chip) is not parallel with the lines of the subject, you get unwanted distortion. We don't notice it on TV or "grab shots"), because you can't correct that on a video camera.

For amplifiers, refrigerators, etc. you have to straighten out the images; usually with tilts and swings on a view camera (the old looking things with bellows). I bought a new one a few months ago. Camera (a Toyo) was only $3900.00, but the two lenses were almost $17,000.00.

Mot expensive lens I ever bought was for one shot for a print piece for Hill AFB, about environmental clean-up. The shot was from a very high supersonic fighter. Camera and lens cost over $50,000.00 and has never been used again.

Necessary tools of the trade. My day rate is $2600.00-$3200 with an assistant. I rarely contract to just do photography. Most of my work is for my own projects (I write, design, key-line, etc.). That means I get a higher rate for the photography.

Projects are usually politically or commercially significant, but boring (think staircase kits).

Just like studio (music) work, the fun stuff is not what pays.

Anyone want photos of metal parts melting? How about Truck music? I do it all the time, Dammit!


R.

Last I looked, I had spent $15,000 or more on Canon equipment which I paid off with photo jobs after I retired. Took me close to 10 years to pay it off through jobs.

What a blast it would be to have a day with a medium format camera.

Yeah, it is beautiful but where would you drive it. Here in Atlanta it would be gone 30 seconds after you parked it. And even at the very best club or restaurant would you entrust it to the car jockeys that park your car? And what if the drop-dead gorgeous blind date you just picked up asks you to drive-thru a MacDonald's and 'is it okay to eat her Big Mac, supersized Coke, and greasy fries in the car'. Yep, owning that Bugatti does have some downsides, but I could suffer through them .

chas

Man, I could send you an extra Pentax medium (2 1/2x3 1/2) to use for a week. You'd have to get film, because I need the digital back for the other unit.

I have a Russian copy of a Hassy...the whole system, actually...but never used it. It's 2 1/2" square.

Speaking of costs, I have lot's of guitars worth $10,000, $20,000.00; even some worth $100,000.00 or more. Arrangers are generally way less than collectible guitars.

The good news is, unlike keyboards, guitars gain in value if you know what to buy.

Russ

I might have to visit you to figure out how to use a medium format camera...never shot one. Tx for the offer.

All in all, arrangers are pretty reasonable $$$ wise for what you get and can be paid for through gigging.

Speaking of guitars, back in 1977, a buddy of mine bought an original, near mint, 1959 Les Paul standard. Playing it on stage made him nervous so he sold it.

Craziest thing I knew about was this bluegrass mandolin player. He traded a guy a house he had in New York valued at $225,000 for an original Lloyd Loar 1923 F style mandolin.

I read that Bill Monroe’s Loar mandolin(rebuilt) sold for over $1,000,000.

By the way Russ, I’ve heard a person can put a digital back on some medium format cameras?

Cameras and arranger keyboards have a lot in common - they're only as good as the person behind them.

One of the most famous outdoor photographers on the planet and a longtime friend, Lefty Kreh, taught me a lot about photography. He had a couple books published on the subject, and I have them here in my office. He placed a huge emphasis on composition, particularly foreground options and until 15 years ago, he used nothing other than Nikon cameras and lenses. He stuck with Nikon when he switched to digital and has sold hundreds of thousands of photos, including thousands of magazine covers to many prestigious publications, including National Geographic.

Lefty passed away yesterday from congestive heart failure at age 93. He was a living legend in the outdoor world and I will miss him more than I can describe in mere words.

Gary

I have digital backs for 4"x5", 2 1/4" square and the Pentax (I have two bodies).

R.

I loved your pics

Rog, Nice set of photos, I haven't posted many photos to my site lately but here's a link to some work I've done in the past:

http://steveonphotos.com/

Okay, while we're sharing adresses, subscribe to my instagram! You know that today an internet beyond social media is a too complicated thing to comprehend https://www.instagram.com/kadyrovsergey/

Steve...like the old car photos. My son has an old/specialty car club. You qualify if you own a 25 year old plus car or a specialty car (Mustang, Miata, etc.).

I have a 1985 Riviera and a 2002 Miata. We have show and drives to raise money for good causes; usually involving a little kid who needs help.

Like your photos. I never get to take any just for fun.


R.

Actually, except for using a 2 1/4/' roll film, the loading, lens exchange, metering and shooting with a Pentax medium is just like shooting most 35mm film cameras. No learning curve. Square format cameras are a little different, but nothing you couldn't master in a 1/2 hour.

Pentax mediums look a lot like the old Spotmatics from the late sixties/early 70's. That's the camera that replaced the Crown graphics in the media business.

R.

Actually, all Adams work was with large format (minimum of 4"x5")
view cameras.


Russ

Russ, Thank you!

Great roof line on the '85 Riv, haven't seen too many Miatas at the local shows.

I'm a fanatic for going to classic car shows, I love 'em. Here in RI during the summer there are cruise nights just about every night of the week, on the weekends there are 2 separate DJs who host the classic car shows. Some nights and shows are much better than the others but I settled on some favorites, even have a few in Central Florida I go to when we are there.

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This from Russ:
Old time" photography...the shooter (Captain Russ), not the camera . View cameras are still the standard for architecture and product photography where you shoot from an angle and need an image with parallel lines. The bellows are on "tilts and swings". You adjust the standards to be parallel with the object being shot. Take a close look at the angle of the bellows.

Steve, you're right: Miatas are not generally in antique car clubs. This one is a "Hi-bred", and includes divisions. The biggest is cars older than 25 years. The Miata is not that old. There are additional classes for old tractors, old large trucks (several antique horse vans), Mustangs and Sports cars (the Miata).

We have several events a month thru the fall; the biggest being at Boonsboro, where over 3,000 cars show up.

There's another club which only includes old cars. They had me put together a Rockabilly band last year. I donated my fee to whatever charity they were backing at the moment. I have booked 4 Rockabilly events this year, and will have a couple of very well known surprise guest performers who are also old car buffs.You guys would know them.


FUN FOR THE SUMMER. I run around the shows on my old Cushman Hilander, which usually wins a trophy in the "other" category, or a WW11 "Bumble Bike", made for the Canadian Air Force. This is basically a folding industrial bike with a 2 1/2 hp 2 stroke motor. After a crash, surviving pilots would ride to safety.

R.

PS: Many thanks to Don for posting the camera photo. My old computer goes crazy when I try to attach something, and "step and repeats" the attachment rapidly until shut down.

HERE in RI ?!? ...

Steve ... are you BACK ?!? ...

Russ, Steve, you car nuts are crazy; I know, because my best friend is one. We used to fly together, except that he has a Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Distinguished Flying Cross (but we still left the service with the same rank ). He's had 3 'vettes (that I know about) and currently has a Porsche GT3 and a McLaren 12C. He had a beautiful $350k motorhome which he ditched to get the McLaren. He's retired now after 34 years at US Air. Another buddy of ours who lives just a few miles away and retired from United last December, has TWO Ferrari's and 7 exotic bikes, mostly Ducati's. I don't get this 'need for speed' and the only thing I've had, aside from the usual MG's, Austin Healys, and TR3's when I was young, was a brief stint with a 911s which my wife 'encouraged' me to trade for the much more practical 928s. I guess we put a lot of emphasis on material things (that we could barely afford) at that time. Looking back at the cars, the motorhomes, the Mooney 201, the A36 Bonanza, the twin Cessna, etc.; arrangers now seems like a bargin. Genos, here I come.......nah, just kidding, just wanted to get Donny excited .

chas

That's a really cool picture of Russ; however, the camera lies; he doesn't look nearly that good in person .

chas

Chas I'd kick your smart ASS, but I can't raise my foot that high!

Be well, friend,


Russ

Yea we are just in back in time for the storms. I didn't expect to have to gas up my snow blower to clear the 14 inches that fell this week. We made a mistake this time, this is the first year we packed it in after 2 months, won't happen again next winter we'll be there thru the first week of April.

I'll give you a call in the next couple of weeks.




Chas no hope for us car nuts, it's like a religion but at least in my case I'm happy taking photos of other owner's cars.

Russ, Amazing with 3000 cars, the largest one I know of just outside of Boston in Dedham, Ma usually has 1800 to 2000 cars. I

Steve, I have a real comfortable sailing yacht that you can spend as long as you wish living aboard in Florida, the Bahamas, Dry Tortugas, Virgin Islands, Burmuda, etc.... No need to go back to the frozen north until the weather gets warm enough to make the grass grow. It's up for sale and the first person with $25,000 gets it. It has everything you have at home, AC/heat-pump, hot and cold running water, gas stove, gas oven, microwave, full bar, refrigerator freezer, flat screen TV, internet connection, and lots of cabin space. Plus, you can sail to any of those romantic ports without burning more than a couple gallons of gas. Can't beat the deal, that is unless you are like Donny and puke your guts out just looking at the boat sitting at the dock. The only drawback is you cannot carry a car with you on the boat - just not big enough. However, I did see a guy in the Florida Keys with a small motorcycle on the back of his 30 footer, which he used to go just about anywhere he wished. Me, I carried a bicycle on the back of the boat, which pretty much took me anyplace I needed, grocery store, liquor store, post office, etc..., but it required leg power.



Glad you made it home safely, and sorry you couldn't stop by for that steak and lobster dinner.

All the best,

Gary

Gary,



The yacht is a beauty but I don't see one in my future. Thanks hopefully next time I pass thru I'll be able to take you up on that steak and lobster dinner.

Great news for you all! You can get that Hasselblad free at B&H Photo where I buy most of my camera gear. All you have to do is buy enough other gear from them, earning their 2% cash back rewards and, before you know it, you’ve got the Hasselblad for free! It’s nice to see so many Keyboard/Photography combo aficionados here at SynthZone. I belong to 500PX to display my photography gallery. You can make money off your photos there, if any buyers want to have the rights to use your photos. I recently sold my "The Lusty Lobster" photo from there. They have a free entry membership level and upgrades for a small fee. I enjoyed looking at all your photo links. There's a lot of audio/visual creative talent on SynthZone! Have a great weekend friends. My gallery to share with you, is here: https://500px.com/halsokolow

Hal,

Thanks for the tip on the Hasselblad, but I don't think I'll be in line to qualify. I too have purchased most of my gear from B&H. Nice gallery of photos you have! Enjoy that Genos!

Nice pics Steve - those old cars and their hood ornaments are incredible.

to ME, it is obvious that it all has to do with the creative gene ... so many people in fine arts - music, painting, sculpting, photography, creative writing, theater, etc. - excel in more than one discipline ...
My wife - who is also talented in music - and I have many of our paintings hanging on the walls of our home and people are most often surprised to hear that we did them ...
Many years ago I was also far more involved in photography than I am today ... my favorite camera at the time was a totally manual Minolta SRT 201 ... then it was a Nikon FE2 35mm which has not seen the light of day in YEARS, a Sony digital ( I love the Carl Zeiss lenses ), and now it's a Nikon D3300 ...
The photos linked to in the above posts are beautiful ...
Maybe this thread will get be to shoot some more this year ...
thank you for posting

since we are so far South from Genos almost near Antarctica I thought I'd drop this in too what the heck ....I thought cameras were obsolete and all use a cell phone now..iPhone 8, Galaxy S9, etc,...seems that way..

https://fstoppers.com/originals/what-are-you-going-do-when-phones-replace-your-dslr-202402

https://www.quora.com/Would-camera-phones-replace-digital-cameras-one-day

From what I've read the so-called "pocket camera " market has fallen on its face due to great smartphone cameras. There's a saying "the best camera is the one with you." It's true I don't always have my Canon and I've gotten plenty of great photos with my iPhone.

Drop-dead gorgeous. I'd like to say I'm not jealous but I can't .

chas

Fantastic! Takes time and energy to have a nice site like you have.

LOL

Hal...a very high skill level. From the resolution, looks like 20 plus meg. Many are good examples of where a view camera (with bellows) would have been an improvement. When you look at the fence photo and the buildings; especially the wide ones, the right and left sides would have been perfectly parallel if the tilts and swings were adjusted properly. That's a "must" for top level architectural or product photography. Some adjustment is possible with Photoshop, but you can only adjust one way, not both up and down and sideways like you can with a view camera.

Best work I've seen posted in a long time!


Russ

Jim, Steve,

Tx for the compliments. Enjoyed your photos Steve. I haven’t checked my Smugmug site in a while. I just seem to upload to Facebook etc now. That means if there are some good shots...they just disappear into the Cloud....so to speak.

Let's be friends on a Facebook then
https://m.facebook.com/sergey.kadyrov.7

Thank you Steve, Chas, Zuki and Russ for your kind comments. Stephen, I especially like your car hood ornaments series. It’s a fascinating mini-sculpture subject to focus on. Guitpic1, I love the girl and puppy portrait in your Experiments folder. Sergey, your nine block lifestyle photo works nicely as an all-in-one theme photo. (Hope I didn’t miss anyone’s links)

Russ, yes, the majority of my recent photos are with the Canon 5D Mark IV camera @30 MP and Canon lens system, however like everyone feels, the Cellphone cameras can be amazing. I personally love the iPhone for quick panoramic shots. Thank you for your appropriate recommendation about correcting my parallax issue in architectural photography. In response, I’m trying to decide between your view camera with bellows solution or buying a Utility Truck with cherry picker bucket lift that can raise me and the camera to take the optimal shot.

The original thread title here is good food for thought about putting any costs in perspecitive. Overall, whether it is keyboards, photography or providing a rational/emotional context for competitive bids to clients, my philosophy has always been to say: “You never regret buying the best.” and “The quality is remembered long after the cost is forgotten.”

A 5D is my workhorse. I'm using it today on a shoot at a nearby automobile manufacturer site for an employee orientation manual.

R.

BTW, a Cannon 5D is not a medium format. Pentax, Mamyia Sony, Hassy and others own that market.

Increasingly, the size of the chip makes the difference.

R.

Yes Russ. Hope you had a great photo gig. Looks like you are well equipped in gear and experience to get the job done. "Have camera/arranger - Will travel."