It's been almost 5 years since I've taken a different board out and today I must try the 1000!

I've mapped out everything from the 3X and feel pretty confident that all should go well.

Also, first job outside the dang flu, which still has me a bit down after a week. I canceled a lot of jobs last week.

here goes............

good luck Zuki....please report back later..

I am sure it will go well zuki, ... talent + good equipment = success ...

Good luck, Jim, I'm sure everything will go well. Probably a good idea to take some hand sterilizer with you, avoid close contact with others. Although you may feel better, you are probably still contagious to others, and you are still quite vulnerable to a relapse because your immune system is weakened. It usually takes about 3 to 4 weeks before you are safe from the effects of the flu.

Good luck,

Gary

Best of luck Jim,
wonder if the audience will pick up any differences ??!!

regards,
John

Good luck with the new 'orchestra' and sucessful performance Jim.

Usually the public won't notice any instrument replaced if they're not told about it,
but they sure will if it makes Jim a much better entertainer than he already is.
As said at this forum so many times, it's not the keyboard, it's the player.

Jim,

Knowing what I know of your talent.........it will be a piece of cake for you. Good luck.

Hitchhiking a little on Gary’s comments about hand sanitizer. I’m playing a weekly piano solo gig here in Florida in a lobby of a medical center. The first week I took along some sanitizing wipes, but when I got to the gig there was already a container of them supplied. Since there are different pianists who touch the keys I usually wipe down the keys and my nads(hands not nads :):) )before and after the gig.

HEH HEH ... he said NADS ...HEH HEH ...

That’s pretty funny!!!! Dam spell check or should I say lack of spell check!

I've performed with radically different keyboards ( Korg Micro Arranger, Ketron Audya 5, Tyros 4, even an entry level Yamaha) and not one time did anybody in the audience notice the change and this is at places I play regularly. That's been my experience anyways....

And good luck with the new PA 1000. I've enjoyed many of the demo videos on YouTube. Maybe you can treat us to a few of your tunes?

Paul, you must keep in mind that mos of the time, you are on stage with a host of wonderful musicians and entertainers. The keyboard is not the star of your show, your entire band is, therefore, few if any audience members would notice any difference. However, if you were performing as an OMB entertainer, I can assure you that the audiences do notice when there is a dramatic change or upgrade in the keyboard. When I performed with a 5-piece country band, a drummer, bass player, rhythm guitar player, lead guitar player and me at the keyboard, everyone considered me the piano player, while I only used that instrument for a small number of the songs we performed. I was also one of three vocalists, so I was pretty much known to the audiences as the the singer that plays piano. I can't play piano at all - too hard on the hands.

All the best,

Gary

Hoping that one day I may get my NADS on a Genos. Just sayin' HaHa

Jim- have a great gig with the new board!

Randy buddy! Cal Frankieve to get your nads on a Genos. Ha ha

Steve, I know it was inadvertent but it made my day. Tony's still laughing .

chas

Cash I mean Chas ( spell check again ha ha). I got a good laugh out of it too and still am

ROFLMAO - too funny!!!!!!! Looks like you're clean all over

Steve- Nothing I'd rather do than acquire a nice shiny new GENOS!! But Alas,before I can call Frank, I'd have to at least get the PA900 off my... 'NADS'.... ha ha...

Okay, dead horse beating.... over (for now)... ha ha!

Well..........

By the crowd reaction, it went as well as usual.

By my reaction, I longed for the 3X - many reasons but I'll save all.

I will wait for the Konnect and try that combo. If it has some promise, I might be able to work out the bad areas.

At this point, I would have rather gone with the 4X 61 key and bypass the speaker feature (not as important as once was).

Thank you all for the compliments - just got home, have to wash my nads

Zuki.... Oh no!!!
Buyers remorse setting in?
Maybe it's too soon to tell what is actually the problem? I know your so used to the Pa3x, will you play a few more gigs with the Pa1000 and see if you'll keep it? or, just forsake everything and get a Korg Pa4x and be done with it and go for the gusto like Steve M says?...
I commend your efforts it's rough in the trenches changing gear your used to playing and have a comfort zone, I've been there buddy get back on the horse you can do this good luck.....

Paul ... I have to agree with you 100% ... For all the compliments I've received over the years, I cannot recall one person in the audience ever saying to me "this keyboard sounds better than your other one", even in places I was playing regularly ... and in one place the change took place from one week to the next ... One time a staff member commented on the difference in sound but the change was in the PA system I was using ...

1) many of us here play for older audiences whose hearing is not at it's highest level ...
2) for many of us here, our main instrument is our voice, and the KB is our 'back up band'...
Taking those two facts into consideration, I personally would be AMAZED if any audience member told me "this keyboard sounds better than your other one" ...

Donny, I give you a run for your money, that's for sure : Just something about going from a TOL to a, well, toyish feel. I ran out of keys a couple times lol. Here's my thoughts:

1. just cannot get that 'playing' feeling
2. very thin sound in comparison (I know there are adjustments, but)
3. The speakers are more a nuisance than anything and are sure not the beauty of the 800 old speakers - very boxy
4. This is just me and I will look for a 4x61 and keep my 3x

Not going back on the job, need to keep nice to sell....

I had a 3x, then went to a PA900, after using it for a few months, I went back to 3x because I missed some of the live controls, and it sounded somewhat different. So I pretty much can agree with your thought process.
The PA4x is MUCH better even than the 3x. You will love it. New sound generation, great new guitars, pianos, saxes, nice tilt screen, ability to use FC5 foot controller, direct play from USB.... and more. It's a big step forward.

Jim,

I know where you’re coming from. I’ve had a few Korg’s including the PA800, after having a 3x I would have had a tough time going back to the 800.

Good luck Zuki we are pulling for you!
Keep us posted on your Pa4x experiences..

I played it at NAMM sorry to say I was not to impressed

PA1000.

But I am aYamaha Guy.

Flip screen seemed flimsy keyboard feel not to good

Sound not to bad but personally I choose PSR over PA

I got Genos and 970 and like them both.

I have uses for both units.

Jim,

Now I really am confused after having been sitting in the wings since September for the arrival of the PA1000. I now begin to waver between a PA700 as my use is limited or.....temptation as ever....a current secondhand PA4X on offer ( no soundbar).
But on the Korg forum I read the following comment by someone who had been comparing the PA1000 and PA4X side by side at Bonners. Remarkable conclusions I think:

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Just spent a few hours in Bonners trying out the Pa1000 and Pa4x side by side. I jotted down a few things to help me decide which to buy:
1. Pa4x has far superior build quality, it looks and feels professional. The Pa1000 is a bit plasticky and less professional. However that means the Pa4x is a lot heavier. The Pa1000 is only 10.75kg even with speakers built in.

2. The sound quality of the Pa1000 through its internal speakers was at least as good as the Pa4x but there is less choice e.g. less acoustic pianos although that is not a big issue as the Pa1000 has some really good pianos

3. The drawbar organ sounds seem to be identical and to my ears (surprisingly) the internal speakers of the Pa 1000 sounded slightly better than the Pa4x (with the soundbar) although appreciate this is subjective. I thought they were just as loud as well.

4. The Pa4x has physical drawbars and physical buttons for sound control (part on off and select) which means you can edit whilst keeping lyrics, notation etc on the screen whilst making changes (drawbars) or flip quickly back and forth (sounds) via a single button press.

5. Pa4x has more sounds and styles
6. Pa4x has more keyboard sets (12) compared to the Pa1000 (9) that can be displayed on the screen
7. The Pa4x keybed is a higher quality than the Pa1000 and longer (more piano like in length). The after touch seemed to be more responsive too
8. The Pa4x has a stereo input (e.g. for an iPad)
9. The Pa4x has an XLR mic input
10. The Pa4x also has stereo inputs for another keyboard so with 8 & 9 above has a lot more connection options.

For me its a difficult choice. The sound quality is fantastic but the build quality is budget and some very useful control features are missing. The Pa4x is about £1,000 more expensive plus it needs additional speakers. It’s also quite a bit heavier. If I was to go for the Pa4x-76 version (I’ve always preferred playing 76/88 notes) , it won’t fit onto the back seat of my car (across the seat) and I haven’t got a case for it (plus it would be very heavy with a case too!) I’ve driven 200 miles to try for myself prior to making a decision that has to be tomorrow!
NB - I did try the Genos as well and that is very very good (fantastic keybed) but yet another £1000+ on top. Sounds are fantastic too but for my type of playing is not worth the extra money ( I think!)

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regards
JOhn

put the seat down in the car and the pa4x vertical vs horizontal?

To be fair Zuki you have gone from a TOTL instrument to a MOTL, shorter keys, softer Key bed and slightly different operating system and your not happy after less than a month using it .

This is because it doesn't sound the same or better than what you have been using for at least the last two years :-)

What would help is if you could set out clearly what you had expected it to achieve against what it actually achieved.

If you were comparing it to what you were used to then you were never going to be impressed were you ?

I think I once posted on another thread that going TOTL to MOTL was like going from a Mercedes to a Ford ... the Ford will do the same job, but perhaps not the way you are used to ... It's good, but not the Mercedes ...

I guess you are right, but what am I to compare to? Of course, the 3X is the bar in my scenario. I spent countless hours mapping everything, so I don't feel guilty giving it the best I could, including live, which is a whole new ballgame.

Here's what I thought I'd get out of it:

1. Portability - 10 lbs is not an issue any longer
2. Screen - although pretty, it glares like crazy, not the 3X
3. Key bed - the killer for me
4. Sounds - no comparison, like someone gutted my body of work


These are just a few that made me scratch my head. But you never know until you try. Believe me, the world stopped when this thing arrived because I ignored a lot of chores to map this thing out. I wanted to take it on my 7 day road swing.

At the end of my day, it's about inspiration and the 1000 doesn't cut it on that front. Just not my cup of tea..........

Jim, you could live with screen glare by placing a piece of atiglare material over scree. You can even live with key feel, for the most part, if you have to. BUT, poor sounds are never acceptable.

Good luck,

Gary

Well, they may not be poor sounds, but poor compared to a KB that costs 1 1/2 to 2 times as much ... which I would expect from any KB ... had I gone from my Kn6000 to my Kn1000, I definitely would be disappointed in the sound ...

zuki - you gave it a shot and it didn't work out for you ... best of luck with whatever is next ...
Also, I would love to hear about your 7 day road trip ...

The pa4x should be the logical next step up

Based on the Youtube demos I've heard I'm surprised the PA1000 sounds so much inferior to a PA-3X. We discussed the strumming guitar example recently, PA1000 was very convincing. I listened to the nice new piano, maybe not as good as the PA4x, but worse than the PA3x? I loved some trumpets, trombones, even strings in some demos...
WaveROM should be as large as that of the PA3X, too, or even more.
So could it be due more to the internal speakers as well as, to a certain degree, a "manipulated perception" in connection with the cheap keybed feel?

Hey, I tried. Sorry I mislead some by giving merit, which it has. It's not for me though and when the 3X fired up at my job today, I was in my element. The room knows, believe me.

Now if I can get rid of this flu.......arggggggg. Came home, put the electric heater pad on 10 and slept another 6 hours. Plain awful. Trying to rid this before I leave Sunday.

Zuki.....
Hope you feel better...and SOON!
Eddie

It's rough trying to work when we're sick. Done it many times. Get well soon and clear the decks for the PA4X!

Zuki, I have read every post and what comes to me is – excitement, experience – excitement—nothing boring where you are at. ENJOY!

John C.

Ditto!

THere's nothing wrong with PA1000. It is a great keyboard, ton of features and very good sounds and styles.

It is the EXPECTATIONS and maybe the COMPARISON that give it a colour (not a red one...) of being disapointing. But that is always user's perception.

There really aren't bad keyboards anymore, in this regard.

Agreed !!

+1 (want to buy my 1000)?

are you past the return date?....Pa4x coming soon?....good luck..

I was a Korg guy first, but when my friend had his Tyros sounding so good , I wanted that sound too. But Tyros $$ wasn't in the budget for me so I bought a psr 950. Coudn't get that TOTL sound out of the MOTL arranger and didn't keep it. If I wasn't comparing chances are it "may" have worked. Went back to Korg for awhile (preferred the navigation), but what am I playing today? His old Tyros..

So is a TOTL keyboard a model (or two) back a better near equal $$ investment than a new MOTL keyboard all things considered?

And thanks for sharing your experience Jim. Not pleasant when it involves so much stress, work, and money that is not easy to come by these days.

Jim, I would buy it. I am just about half the globe away...

All things considered and excluding the confort-zone with a previously owned model, no I do not believe last generation of Pa TOTL (Pa3x) is better than the actual MOTL (Pa1000). Of course there are better things about it, but overall Pa1000 is an improved model, just simply the next gen with sounds and features.

That being said, I am very happy with my little recently bought S770. My first Yamaha ever.

Very Cool Adim,

Surprised to see you in a Yamaha Now I know you aren't hearing well Kidding aside, it's all good. The 1000 really is a beauty, in a lot of ways, but all the wrong ways for me (I'm very picky too). I played another big gig today, new place, good money and the 3X just plain shines!

Yeah, thanks, my wife keeps telling me that too! I guess must be something in there!

Of course there is nothing weirds with liking the previous model better - just look at Technics guys how happy they are with their keyboards, or G70 players who do not even think of changing to anything else. So, I could only be happy for you being happy with Pa3x.

For me, the new generation of Pa did address something I wanted to hear in Korgs, a little better drums, with more natural feel to it. I think they did it very nicely with Pa4x and then Pa700 followed. And I was lookin long and hard to both Pa700 and Pa1000, but then I decided much to my own surprise, to try Yamaha this time. I had Korg, I had Roland, now I went with Yamaha - all MOTL arrangers, because I was always looking for the best BANG for the BUCK. I love this american expression! And I just wanted to try the smoothness of Yamaha styles this time around instead of glitchiness of Korg's fill-ins for ballads.

And because I am not in the full-time work with arrangers, I could never justify the top costs for the TOTL, even though of course I would have love it. But I am at peace with that.

Then I suddenly found a price drop for the little S770 that I just could not refuse. Brand new, with strong bag, stand, pedal, headphones - the regular pack, for about $900 - that is a very good price, in here at least.

Getting used to it, as with any other new keyboard, is quite a process, but I take it slowly and it is in fact very enjoyable. This little thing is not bad at all, and while before really looking at this Yamaha I thought is only Korg who has great value for the lower costs keyboards, I got to understand differently. Actually all of them follow the same principle: paying 80% more for something will only give you at most 20% better quality. I could write a whole essay about this, but other people, wiser than me, did it already.

Anyway, I guess just as you are happy with top last gen, I am with middle/low last gen.

All the best!

Adi

Adi, You are wiser than me. I took the plunge and hopefully won't lose much on this thing. They are not jumping off the shelves, as some would want you to believe. Enjoy your new toy!!!

Going to get in my Jeep and try to negotiate 8 - 10" of snow here for a couple jobs, with the 3X

We have this white cold thing here too. Lucky me, I'm living a bit closer to the fjord, but where to dig to find the right cabin, I dont know....

OMG !!!!! Is that a "stock" photo or is that a present day photo ?

Wow, that is impressive! We barely had any snow at all this winter...

And thank you Jim, I quite enjoy Yamaha, even though of course I am adapting still. But a lot of previous preconceptions were shaken.

And it is quite funny, as all started with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSlBk7ZMs7c and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnLpaDyF_vU

Korg might be freshier and crisper a tad more, but didn't think it was worth almost double the price.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread a little bit. I'll watch myself.

Wow, that is some serious white stuff Now I don't feel so bad when I take to the road in a bit.

You too Adi, have fun with your Y. I played live for 2 years with my first board, PSR 3000. Was a terrific board and got me started in the right direction. Looking back at videos, it sounded fantastic and the crowd loved it. I actually composed a song "Soldier Boy" entirely on that board and I still get many compliments today on the composition. I used a Roland style and used its sequencer to finish the song, along with backup harmonies through a Roland BR1180 CD. The good old days, as they say.

It's real.
Todays photo from our local newspaper, and more of the white cold stuff are on the way .....
Last time it was as much snow as this at this time of year was back in 2010.

Sorry for go off topic ....

On way to job, highway shuts down. Damn snow and fearless drivers. Will be here for hours.

If the snow forecast was that bad, why didn't they - or you - just cancel ?!?

And "fearless drivers" of which you are apparently one ???

If that '200' is centimeters, we're talking over 6 FEET !!!

tony, when I lived in Spokane, WA we had 100 vertical inches of snow on the ground the first winter we lived there. A short distance away, in Stampede Pass, WA they annually closed the road in mid September and it did not reopen until mid June the following year. Snow depths there regularly reached depths recorded in vertical feet - not inches.



Carol and I used to travel to the nearby town of Republic, WA to attend their annual rodeo. We had a close friend that was a participant and owned a half dozen quarter horse race horses. Though it was only small town rodeo, the stakes were pretty high during the races. It was called the Ferry County Fair. Every small town in Eastern Washington had a rodeo taking place nearly every at one or more of them. It was fun for the entire family, my children absolutely loved it and it was a wonderful time when families gathered in a single location for the sole purpose of enjoying life. For me, life was lot easier back then. And, it was a wonderful environment to raise a family. The only downside was winter.



All the best,

Gary

Yes, 200cm, but late today it's some places close to 300cm (3 metres) and forecast say it's still coming more.
The big problem is that temperature get a bit higher and the snow gets wet... heavy weight for the roofs and campingtrailers to hold.
If this continues, snow will not melt before next winter starts and we can go skiing during all the summer.
Oh well, kids will love it ...

Pls,
anyone are welcome to post something to put thrad back to track.

Ah, back at last. First job was close and finally made it. 2nd job, forget it..... They really never cancel too much up here.

I NEVER cancel. The venue sometimes does, but if they're open ... I'm IN! I learned to drive in the NE region, so I respect the conditions, and I've never been stuck so bad that I couldn't continue. I worry about the fraidy-cats on the road, but I don't worry about my skills in the snow. I love that white stuff.