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#445360 - 01/24/18 02:47 PM Software and hardware integration
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1. Camelot by Audio Modeling (the creator of SWAM Engine) & Fatar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLL78M4l21k

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2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=39&v=hu-5hs_CfdY

2. Akai VIP 3.1 upgrade soon to be released.
I just downloaded a VIP map for NI Massive with almost 45,000 patches. Talk about “Massive”!!!!!

I’ve been asking Akai to offer two simple features that will make VIP a killer app for VST live performance.

Lots of great tools out there that combine hardware and software.
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#445366 - 01/25/18 04:38 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch


1. Camelot by Audio Modeling (the creator of SWAM Engine) & Fatar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLL78M4l21k

IK Multimedia
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=39&v=hu-5hs_CfdY

2. Akai VIP 3.1 upgrade soon to be released.
I just downloaded a VIP map for NI Massive with almost 45,000 patches. Talk about “Massive”!!!!!

I’ve been asking Akai to offer two simple features that will make VIP a killer app for VST live performance.

Lots of great tools out there that combine hardware and software.


I am very interested in number 1
Number 2 is actually a guitar stomp box, not for me
i am follwing VIP for a very long time now... might be a perfect tool to combine with number 1
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#463802 - 12/26/18 07:36 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bachus]
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I had been beta-testing the IOS version of Camelot Pro for some months. I don't think I am interested in the PC/Mac version yet as it is only a standalone, and not a VST plug-in. I am not ready to replace Gig Performer with anything else. As for the IOS version, even after the public release, the company still updates the beta version and lets me use it. Now, there is a similar app that seems even more powerful; KeyStage; here's a church musician giving a demo on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=g3ZSiJT3jmc
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#463810 - 12/27/18 08:48 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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The biggest question for the ios version of camelot is do they plan support for arrangers like genos and pa4x?

Another important thing would be support for uadiobus 3.
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#463858 - 12/28/18 11:29 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bachus]
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Things move so quickly with IOS that AudioBus3 is old school, and now the big deal is AUv3. AudioBus3 is limited in comparison with AUv3. Both Camelot Pro and Key Stage can host multiple AUv3 apps. Watch this guy the author of Key Stage app giving a demo; all IOS sounds.

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#463862 - 12/28/18 01:06 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch
Things move so quickly with IOS that AudioBus3 is old school, and now the big deal is AUv3. AudioBus3 is limited in comparison with AUv3. Both Camelot Pro and Key Stage can host multiple AUv3 apps. Watch this guy the author of Key Stage app giving a demo; all IOS sounds.



I disagree with you, since audiobus was the first app to support AUv3 as well as EFX plugs.. and offcourse all the little midibus plugs and more..

Audiobus 3 is like the glue to connect everything, its the single reason i think the ipad is much more flexible then a pc or mac..


Keystage and soon also camelot pro can be used in combination with the audio and midi routing of audiobus.. where audiobus shines is that it does not only connect keys to sounds, but also connects hosts to both hosts, recorders, sounds and effects..

To me Keystage looks even more prommising then camelot pro for ipad..
But i think if you want to use the ipad both for keys (which keystage and camelot intend to do) as well as for backings (beatmaker, cubasis, gadget) you will need audiobus to integrate things as a whole...


Edited by Bachus (12/28/18 01:15 PM)
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#463869 - 12/28/18 06:59 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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I Don't pretend that I understand or intend to use any of the apps, but I have to say; That's one incredible performance on the vid!

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#463876 - 12/29/18 07:41 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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Torch, i bought the app and really like it..
Very very promissing.. did you know you can import cubase .ins files..

The app is incredible for hardware comtroll as core of a setup..
But in its current form misses audio capabillities and virtual midi ports..
In this example, they show how to use midiflow and AUM apps to do this..
Audiobus combines these 2 into a single app, and you can even use midiflow and AUM as well as keystage inside Audiobus.



The midi routing from keystage for hardware is incredible..
It can replace V-console when adding an extra keyboard to Genos or any other arranger
(Altough only yamaha instruments have enough exta voices for this)

You just route the ext keyboard to song parts 1 to 8(when using style only) and you have 8 genos sounds and effects available for your extra key.. or with an external midi interface connected to ipad, route the midi to you mac/pc/vst’s

You can also load lyrics and pdf/score/notes into the app..
Yes, seems like this is a very promissing app..


Edited by Bachus (12/29/18 07:42 AM)
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#463962 - 12/30/18 08:49 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bachus]
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Bachus,

I am glad to hear you like KeyStage. It's amazing what you can do with a $20 app. I have been running both Camelot Pro and KeyStage. Pros and cons as usual. I like how you can so much with both without going through a 3rd bridge app like Audiobus3. For now I like Auv3 (supported by Camelot Pro) more than IAA (supported by KeyStage). IAA a built-in feature of IOS is obviously more convenient than a 3rd party bridge app like Audiobus 3. There's so much going on so fast in the IOS world like you said about AUM. There is AudioShare and scores of other tools. Speaking of MIDIflow, that eliminated a number of hardware devices for me. It can do some complex midi acrobatic work so easily just because it is software.

For those who want to know more about these key IOS tools such as AudioBus3, IAA, and AUv3,
https://futuresonic.io/blog/audiobus-iaa-and-auv3-whats-the-difference/

Forgot to ask you; you said, "did you know you can import cubase .ins files.." I don't use Cubase, but by .ins files, you mean instrument definition files started by Cakewalk?


Edited by Torch (12/30/18 09:21 PM)
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#463966 - 12/31/18 01:42 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch
Bachus,

I am glad to hear you like KeyStage. It's amazing what you can do with a $20 app. I have been running both Camelot Pro and KeyStage. Pros and cons as usual. I like how you can so much with both without going through a 3rd bridge app like Audiobus3. For now I like Auv3 (supported by Camelot Pro) more than IAA (supported by KeyStage). IAA a built-in feature of IOS is obviously more convenient than a 3rd party bridge app like Audiobus 3. There's so much going on so fast in the IOS world like you said about AUM. There is AudioShare and scores of other tools. Speaking of MIDIflow, that eliminated a number of hardware devices for me. It can do some complex midi acrobatic work so easily just because it is software.

For those who want to know more about these key IOS tools such as AudioBus3, IAA, and AUv3,
https://futuresonic.io/blog/audiobus-iaa-and-auv3-whats-the-difference/

Forgot to ask you; you said, "did you know you can import cubase .ins files.." I don't use Cubase, but by .ins files, you mean instrument definition files started by Cakewalk?


I said .ins but thats indeed the filsort cakewalk uses
It should have said cubase patch scripts, thats the variant cubase uses..

I havent tried tis out yet myself..
I plan using keystage as a hard routing.. mimmicking v-console..

Also AUM is really incredible.. for loading ipad sounds..
I will use these 3 (audiobus, aum, keystage) as the backbone of my new setup.
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#464207 - 01/04/19 01:31 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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I got an answer from the Camelot development team today
I asked about for possible support for arranger like Genos and pa4x

They are looking into it..
But so far they found arrangers are much harder to implement then standard synths and stage piano’s
They are still trying to find out if its possible at all to add access to the many features of top arrangers..


Offcourse you can allways set them up as midi ports..
But i guess keystage is much more suited to do this..


Edited by Bachus (01/04/19 01:33 PM)
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#464212 - 01/05/19 01:29 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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Since these are not DAWs, which ones are suggested for IOS and pc. I am a little hazy on the role of a DAW as opposed to Audiobus(IOS), and Gig Performer(pc).I have the sample libraries about done, but have to put them in motion, as in sequencing, etc.

Sorry to butt in on your and Torches conversation, but I am trying to learn this.
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#464214 - 01/05/19 06:13 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9
Since these are not DAWs, which ones are suggested for IOS and pc. I am a little hazy on the role of a DAW as opposed to Audiobus(IOS), and Gig Performer(pc).I have the sample libraries about done, but have to put them in motion, as in sequencing, etc.

Sorry to butt in on your and Torches conversation, but I am trying to learn this.


Actually, you need to think much akin to the pa4x..

On the pa4x, there are styles/songs/backings
And there are keyboardsets..

You need to keep those things seperate...

Audiobus is what you could use as the glue..
And then you could use midiflow(splitter) inside audiobus or AUM for creating the keyboardsets

Next to that you will need a sequencer connected to audiobus, for the songs/backings..
I personally use beatmaker 3 for creating a backing, and record it as a song in cubasis or garageband (using audiobus again for connecting both daws)... but you could just about use any daw To complete the whole recording process (like korg gadget, or the afformentioned 2)..

After recording things, you connect the daw with the backingfile to an audiochannel in audiobus... and combine them with the created keyboardset for playing live...

You allready notice its a lot of work...
Thats where for me hardware/arrangers/workstaions come in, they have a lot of pre created content.. so in general i will se the arranger for playing styles/songs multipads..

And use the ipad/daw for 2 things...
1) as a tool for creating (midi or audio) that i can use in the arranger
2) as a sound expansion/module for mostly keyboard parts..

Hope this helps...
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#464216 - 01/05/19 06:49 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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For the folks here that are non Apple users..(and don't want Apples hand in our pocket) :)… I use an Android app that does much the same as we have been discussing.... and more, with just a single app.. The "Pro" version cost $4.50 The key difference with the Pro version Midi out.. with acceptable latency..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bytebolt.midiloops&hl=en



You can use your own sound fonts, the supplied sound fonts, or midi out to your hardware
, in my case the Integra7 and Ketron SD1000 plus..

The other App I use for all types of file playback , edits, lyrics is Winlive Pro ( $3.49)..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.promusicsoftware.winlivepro&hl=en_US

Check these two out... they have my stamp of approval grin


My everyday carry phone is much more... it is my best back up with great apps in the music department..

As an example... for you guys that are getting lazy as you get older grin, I could take my phone and my Marantz Voice Rover .. and do a senior gig... battery powered and no wires... Bluetooth.. Wireless mic.

Set up time 20 seconds..



Edited by Fran Carango (01/05/19 07:26 AM)
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#464217 - 01/05/19 08:05 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Fran Carango]
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Originally Posted By Fran Carango
For the folks here that are non Apple users..(and don't want Apples hand in our pocket) :)… I use an Android app that does much the same as we have been discussing.... and more, with just a single app.. The "Pro" version cost $4.50 The key difference with the Pro version Midi out.. with acceptable latency..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bytebolt.midiloops&hl=en



You can use your own sound fonts, the supplied sound fonts, or midi out to your hardware
, in my case the Integra7 and Ketron SD1000 plus..

The other App I use for all types of file playback , edits, lyrics is Winlive Pro ( $3.49)..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.promusicsoftware.winlivepro&hl=en_US

Check these two out... they have my stamp of approval grin


My everyday carry phone is much more... it is my best back up with great apps in the music department..

As an example... for you guys that are getting lazy as you get older grin, I could take my phone and my Marantz Voice Rover .. and do a senior gig... battery powered and no wires... Bluetooth.. Wireless mic.

Set up time 20 seconds..



Why the aversion against apple?

For professional music apps, (except sheet readin) google is no good option..
95% of the stuff you really really want is only available on apple..
And there is good reasons for that..(which been discussed many times before)

You either choose a windows tablet or an ipad if you want a mobile device ready for serious music creation and production.

Oh and the ipad is cheeper then most windows tablets capable of handling serious music production..


Google as done nothing at all in the last 5 years for tablets, they concentrate onbile phones only. Sure if you want sheet music reading and internet browsing and google tablet will do, but its better not to go beyound that.
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#464219 - 01/05/19 11:55 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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Bachus
Thanks a lot for the very valuable lesson on structure elements. It is a big help.
Bernie
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#464220 - 01/05/19 12:18 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Fran Carango
For the folks here that are non Apple users..(and don't want Apples hand in our pocket) :)… I use an Android app that does much the same as we have been discussing.... and more, with just a single app.. The "Pro" version cost $4.50 The key difference with the Pro version Midi out.. with acceptable latency..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bytebolt.midiloops&hl=en



You can use your own sound fonts, the supplied sound fonts, or midi out to your hardware
, in my case the Integra7 and Ketron SD1000 plus..

The other App I use for all types of file playback , edits, lyrics is Winlive Pro ( $3.49)..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.promusicsoftware.winlivepro&hl=en_US

Check these two out... they have my stamp of approval grin


My everyday carry phone is much more... it is my best back up with great apps in the music department..

As an example... for you guys that are getting lazy as you get older grin, I could take my phone and my Marantz Voice Rover .. and do a senior gig... battery powered and no wires... Bluetooth.. Wireless mic.

Set up time 20 seconds..



Why the aversion against apple?

For professional music apps, (except sheet readin) google is no good option..
95% of the stuff you really really want is only available on apple..
And there is good reasons for that..(which been discussed many times before)

You either choose a windows tablet or an ipad if you want a mobile device ready for serious music creation and production.

Oh and the ipad is cheeper then most windows tablets capable of handling serious music production..


Google as done nothing at all in the last 5 years for tablets, they concentrate onbile phones only. Sure if you want sheet music reading and internet browsing and google tablet will do, but its better not to go beyound that.



I do not have a dislike for quality music programs .. be it android or Apple..

Apple interest is making money.. no updates, they want you to upgrade.. And look at the history of iTunes.. I don't ever want Apple to have the control they have over their customers..

I am inclined to disagree with you about Apple overwhelming Android in music programs..

Apple folks have a tendency to look past the many short comings of ios and only look at the positives..

Just preferences... I will keep PC and Android..
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#464225 - 01/05/19 01:01 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Fran Carango]
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Originally Posted By Fran Carango
Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Fran Carango
For the folks here that are non Apple users..(and don't want Apples hand in our pocket) :)… I use an Android app that does much the same as we have been discussing.... and more, with just a single app.. The "Pro" version cost $4.50 The key difference with the Pro version Midi out.. with acceptable latency..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bytebolt.midiloops&hl=en



You can use your own sound fonts, the supplied sound fonts, or midi out to your hardware
, in my case the Integra7 and Ketron SD1000 plus..

The other App I use for all types of file playback , edits, lyrics is Winlive Pro ( $3.49)..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.promusicsoftware.winlivepro&hl=en_US

Check these two out... they have my stamp of approval grin


My everyday carry phone is much more... it is my best back up with great apps in the music department..

As an example... for you guys that are getting lazy as you get older grin, I could take my phone and my Marantz Voice Rover .. and do a senior gig... battery powered and no wires... Bluetooth.. Wireless mic.

Set up time 20 seconds..



Why the aversion against apple?

For professional music apps, (except sheet readin) google is no good option..
95% of the stuff you really really want is only available on apple..
And there is good reasons for that..(which been discussed many times before)

You either choose a windows tablet or an ipad if you want a mobile device ready for serious music creation and production.

Oh and the ipad is cheeper then most windows tablets capable of handling serious music production..


Google as done nothing at all in the last 5 years for tablets, they concentrate onbile phones only. Sure if you want sheet music reading and internet browsing and google tablet will do, but its better not to go beyound that.



I do not have a dislike for quality music programs .. be it android or Apple..

Apple interest is making money.. no updates, they want you to upgrade.. And look at the history of iTunes.. I don't ever want Apple to have the control they have over their customers..

I am inclined to disagree with you about Apple overwhelming Android in music programs..

Apple folks have a tendency to look past the many short comings of ios and only look at the positives..

Just preferences... I will keep PC and Android..


I think every company is trying to make as much money as possible.. not just apple..

Now apple isnt cheap but next to make money they have other pinpoints
-try to make the best user experience possible
-make programming apps less time consuming, and so make it cheaper

But tha apple trie to force you allways into buying the latest hardware is nonsense
There is no company that keeps supporting their old hardware with updates as lon as apple.. my 5 year old apple iphone 6 is still on the latest software version.. and runs quite well...

Other point is, there is no 2nd hand market as the apple iphone and ipad market. After 2 years, you can sell your gear still for hundreds of dollars, where android gear by that time has lost most of its vallue..
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#464226 - 01/05/19 01:06 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bernie9]
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Bachus
Thanks a lot for the very valuable lesson on structure elements. It is a big help.
Bernie


Glad incould help you,
Keep asking, i may have more answers
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#464227 - 01/05/19 01:26 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Fran Carango]
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Quote:
Fran... I will keep PC and Android..


+1


Edited by Dnj (01/05/19 01:30 PM)

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#464240 - 01/06/19 12:56 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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Bachus
On the pc side, are all VSTs, including sample libraries, VST hosts like GP, opened and run inside of a DAW like FL Studio? I already had these apps on my i7, 7200 Asus, but my HDD has only 80 gb available. I bought an SSD ext drive.
The problem may be that I got the cart before the horse, in that I should have the libraries in the SSD and the programs in the pc. Now I have an empty exterior drive and limited capacity remaining on the Asus.

To be realistic, I have 4gb RAM, but won't be loading 16 tracks with effects that would max it out. If I put a DAW in the Asus, does it matter where the libraries reside. I am just trying to look ahead before I get into a real mess.
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#464242 - 01/06/19 02:17 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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Libraries are best kept on a separate drive from the program drive; if your computer has a least USB3 then you can use an external USB3 SSD which will also be able to stream the samples without problems.
You don’t need a DAW to use plug-ins as there are a number of VST Hosts out there that can host them, however if you already have a DAW that can host them, then it is pointless adding extra complications.

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#464245 - 01/06/19 06:39 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9
Bachus
On the pc side, are all VSTs, including sample libraries, VST hosts like GP, opened and run inside of a DAW like FL Studio? I already had these apps on my i7, 7200 Asus, but my HDD has only 80 gb available. I bought an SSD ext drive.
The problem may be that I got the cart before the horse, in that I should have the libraries in the SSD and the programs in the pc. Now I have an empty exterior drive and limited capacity remaining on the Asus.

To be realistic, I have 4gb RAM, but won't be loading 16 tracks with effects that would max it out. If I put a DAW in the Asus, does it matter where the libraries reside. I am just trying to look ahead before I get into a real mess.


I have 32 GB of memmory in my mac mini..
Some vst’s really need a lot of memmory..

In general vst sounds dont reside in memmory
They are loaded every time they are needed..
There are many hosts that can be set to preload from a setlist.
(Also free hosts for windows)
So there is allways a few patches on your list in the memmory
So you don’t get delays loading those vst as you choose a new one..

I think 4GB is under the minimum advised for running basic vst’s (8GB)
So this might interfere with preloading
Also some vst’s like uhe stuff and omnisphere/keyscape require 16Gb to work fine
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#464248 - 01/06/19 08:29 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
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With the light work I would be doing,4GB is going to have to suffice, with swapping, if necessary. My Asus has 4x SO-DIMM socket for expansion up tp 16GB, however I will have to get my feet wetter before I do. Once I find it is worth it, I will.

Bill, thank you for the tip on DAWs. I have Gig Performer as a vst host, and a setlist of Kontakt4,Halionsonic, and even BIAB as vst's. I have Cakewalk by Bandlab, but haven't gotten around to using it. I am probably wrong, but I thought you had to integrate everything in a DAW to produce midi sequences. Maybe not, after all.

I can't get it through my head, the relationship of a DAW to vst hosts, vst support at all,midi, and sound libraries.

This stuff ain't for the faint of heart, but I will soldier on.

Thanks gentlemen
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#464281 - 01/07/19 05:23 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9


I can't get it through my head, the relationship of a DAW to vst hosts, vst support at all,midi, and sound libraries.



Any program that can open a VST can be considered to be a "host".

A DAW is designed around recording what you play on to multiple tracks which can be played back, edited and mixed to create a final song. You can typically record either audio or MIDI data. When you use the latter, the MIDI data can drive VST plugins or other external MIDI synths. You typically deal with one song at a time.


A live performance application such as our Gig Performer will host plugins but the focus in on, well, performing, rather than on recording/editing. The needs of a performer on stage are generally very different than what's needed in a recording environment.

If you're a guitarist, you might use Gig Performer along with a collection of effects plugins (e.g., TH3, BIAS, S-Gear, numerous amp/cab modelers) instead of carrying around pedal boards and amps. A vocalist might use compressors, reverb/delay, EQ and so forth. Keyboard players will typically use synth plugins and effects. But in live performance, the requirement is the ability to switch instantly from one set of sounds to another, turn on/off effects on the fly, switch from a piano to a piano partially layered with strings with perhaps a lead synth on the top octave and then back to a Rhodes piano a moment later, perhaps while still sustaining notes from the previous sound.

Very often, you're following a setlist and so you need to be able to switch from one song to another instantly, there's no time to load a new "session" with a different configuration.
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#464310 - 01/07/19 02:24 PM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Torch]
Bernie9 Offline
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Thank you Dr. Jameson for the clear and succinct answer. Since I am a live gig player, albeit new to VST's. As far as GP is concerned, it doesn't look like I need a DAW. For other things mentioned, perhaps. Gig Performer is great asit is, so there is no sense in complicating it.
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#468655 - 04/14/19 04:39 AM Re: Software and hardware integration [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
The biggest question for the ios version of camelot is do they plan support for arrangers like genos and pa4x?

Another important thing would be support for uadiobus 3.




Has there been update along this train of thought from Camelot people?

Also, is anyone using this software on a PC platform yet please, just for feedback, cost and usage?!



Allan
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