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#443465 - 12/28/17 08:12 PM Peter Baartmans Plays Genos
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE6gAxykOvY

The video lasts 52:10. It's in Dutch.

By the way, Happy Holidays to everyone on Synthzone! I'm a little late because I haven't been home lately. smile
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#443471 - 12/29/17 02:17 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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Thanks for the video find! This kind of demo reminds me of the sales floor demos I used to give!! Peter is such a good musician and he always demos the sound in the playing style that is needed to make it shine.

Happy New Year!!!
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#443474 - 12/29/17 03:27 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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First off...Where are all the younger players?....everyone is sitting around their looking as they are falling asleep looking at heir watches,........saying to themselves "I could never play like him" Yes Genos sounds great but wouldn't making the demo more "customer playing ability friendlier" to induce people to maybe drop 5k on an arranger knowing they too may be able to operate and play on?...
versus watching a master play knowing your not going to sound like that? Just my observations..
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#443483 - 12/29/17 05:36 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
First off...Where are all the younger players?....everyone is sitting around their looking as they are falling asleep looking at heir watches,........saying to themselves "I could never play like him" Yes Genos sounds great but wouldn't making the demo more "customer playing ability friendlier" to induce people to maybe drop 5k on an arranger knowing they too may be able to operate and play on?...
versus watching a master play knowing your not going to sound like that? Just my observations..


Thats the typical crowd that visits these events in Holland...

In Germany there you see quite a lot of youngsters playing and visiting keyboard shows...

But overhere in Holland, the youngsters are mostly deejaying, playing guitar or playing piano.. the Genos is mostly out of their budget and not very fashionable among the youngsters..
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#443484 - 12/29/17 05:38 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Dnj
First off...Where are all the younger players?....everyone is sitting around their looking as they are falling asleep looking at heir watches,........saying to themselves "I could never play like him" Yes Genos sounds great but wouldn't making the demo more "customer playing ability friendlier" to induce people to maybe drop 5k on an arranger knowing they too may be able to operate and play on?...
versus watching a master play knowing your not going to sound like that? Just my observations..


Thats the typical crowd that visits these events in Holland...

In Germany there you see quite a lot of youngsters playing and visiting keyboard shows...

But overhere in Holland, the youngsters are mostly deejaying, playing guitar or playing piano.. the Genos is mostly out of their budget and not very fashionable among the youngsters..


I think your TRUE assessment is worldwide also regarding arranger KB's
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#443492 - 12/29/17 07:41 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: shueymusic]
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Originally Posted By shueymusic
Thanks for the video find! This kind of demo reminds me of the sales floor demos I used to give!! Peter is such a good musician and he always demos the sound in the playing style that is needed to make it shine.

Happy New Year!!!




You're welcome! Part of sounding good on an arranger is choosing the right sounds. I've seen so many videos of people playing TOTL arrangers and sounding really bad, because they do not choose appropriate sounds for the song they're playing.

Happy New Year to you and your family!
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#443494 - 12/29/17 07:48 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
First off...Where are all the younger players?....everyone is sitting around their looking as they are falling asleep looking at heir watches,........saying to themselves "I could never play like him" Yes Genos sounds great but wouldn't making the demo more "customer playing ability friendlier" to induce people to maybe drop 5k on an arranger knowing they too may be able to operate and play on?...
versus watching a master play knowing your not going to sound like that? Just my observations..




I don't think Yamaha would want Peter Baartmans or other demonstrators to purposely try to make the arrangers sound less than great. Hearing a great demo is what convinces people to want to buy. Deep down, we know we won't sound as good as an expert demonstrator, but we want an arranger that can sound that good.
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#443495 - 12/29/17 07:55 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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Most young people in my part of the world have no interest in anything that requires the learning curve of an arranger keyboard. They tend to thrive on instant gratification objects, I pads, I phones, etc... Some schools no longer have music classes, mainly because of lack of interest. My grandson play a trombone, but really has no interest in music other than playing school concerts with the other kids in his class. Most of his time is spent staring at a touch screen or watching TV, though he plays baseball in the summer little league teams.

Most of the local bands I've seen consist mainly of guitar players and a drummer. Usually one of the guitar players sings as well as play rhythm guitar. It's really rare to see any brass, pianos or organs at all.

I hope when my grandson gets older he switches his priorities, but for some reason I doubt this will happen.

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#443496 - 12/29/17 08:00 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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Originally Posted By Mikem
[quote=Dnj]. [quote]I don't think Yamaha would want Peter Baartmans or other demonstrators to purposely try to make the arrangers sound less than great. Hearing a great demo is what convinces people to want to buy. Deep down, we know we won't sound as good as an expert demonstrator, but we want an arranger that can sound that good.


That said today's arranger KB's pretty much ALL sound good or can be made to suit any player if they so want to. The days of NEWER is better is fading fast..the only thing that should be getting better & better is your playing skills. Happy New Year
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#443497 - 12/29/17 08:03 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
Most young people in my part of the world have no interest in anything that requires the learning curve of an arranger keyboard. They tend to thrive on instant gratification objects, I pads, I phones, etc... Some schools no longer have music classes, mainly because of lack of interest. My grandson play a trombone, but really has no interest in music other than playing school concerts with the other kids in his class. Most of his time is spent staring at a touch screen or watching TV, though he plays baseball in the summer little league teams.

Most of the local bands I've seen consist mainly of guitar players and a drummer. Usually one of the guitar players sings as well as play rhythm guitar. It's really rare to see any brass, pianos or organs at all.

I hope when my grandson gets older he switches his priorities, but for some reason I doubt this will happen.

All the best,

Gary cool


Gary it is what it is I agree, ...we all created what is NOW, we enjoyed our time thru the years, now we pass the torch and enjoy what we have and let the newer generation do what they will it's the way of the world......Happy New Year buddy!
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#443498 - 12/29/17 08:06 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
That said today's arranger KB's pretty much ALL sound good or can be made to suit any player if they so want to. The days of NEWER is better is fading fast..the only thing that should be getting better & better is your playing skills. Happy New Year


Donny, you reinforce my point. Improving playing skills requires endless hours of practice, something young people are not willing to do. They want instant gratification at the end of their fingertips on a 5-inch screen. You see this every day of the week, youngsters who would panic without the Smart Phones in their hands.

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#443503 - 12/29/17 08:34 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
Some schools no longer have music classes, mainly because of lack of interest.
All the best,
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I have to DISagree ... for most schools that no longer have music or art classes it is because no money is allocated for them ... when budgets have to be cut those are the first classes to go ... I have seen many examples both here in RI and in NY where the funds for music classes were cut and student leaders and volunteer staff members kept the programs going for a large number of students ...
Yes, many have their heads in their electronics but there is a great number who take part in arts and music both in and outside of school curriculums ...

Originally Posted By travlin'easy

Most of the local bands I've seen consist mainly of guitar players and a drummer. Usually one of the guitar players sings as well as play rhythm guitar. It's really rare to see any brass, pianos or organs at all.
All the best,
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Well, if that's the case in MD, I'm glad to be living in RI, because even the small (duos/trios) that perform at indoor/outdoor bars/restaurants in Newport, Providence and other ares very often will have a keyboard player and even a sax player ... what sometimes is missing is a drummer, because they are using a drum machine of some kind ... the Thursday edition of the statewide news paper has a full page + of listings of where musicians are playing over the weekend and what kind of music they perform ... AND there is NO CHARGE for the listing ... also free of charge, the URI radio station will devote a half hour to forty five minutes a couple of days a week to announce where musicians are performing ...
The LIVE music scene is still going in RI - is it as good as it was 30 years ago when I moved here? - no, but then, everything is different ...
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#443507 - 12/29/17 08:45 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
Originally Posted By Dnj
That said today's arranger KB's pretty much ALL sound good or can be made to suit any player if they so want to. The days of NEWER is better is fading fast..the only thing that should be getting better & better is your playing skills. Happy New Year


Donny, you reinforce my point. Improving playing skills requires endless hours of practice, something young people are not willing to do. They want instant gratification at the end of their fingertips on a 5-inch screen. You see this every day of the week, youngsters who would panic without the Smart Phones in their hands.
Gary


Wow, I am really in a DISagreeing mood today wink

The South Kingstown (RI) High School has 75 to 100 kids in the Symphony orchestra ... plus more in the marching and Jazz bands ... a couple of years ago the captain of the soccer team played first cello in the symphony orchestra and qualified for the sate-wide high school symphony orchestra ...
In Mamaroneck NY where two of my granchildren attend, along with the school bands and theater groups, there is a program called Performing Arts Curriculum Experience which is totally separate from the school curriculum ... there are about 100 kids in this program who learn to sing, dance and perform all on their OWN time ...
I think we have to recognize that all is NOT lost with our youth ...
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#443512 - 12/29/17 09:06 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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The live music scene here in this area seems to have improved somewhat in recent years. There are still a lot of K*****E joints around, but they are showing signs of waning.
There are only a handful of places that feature nightly entertainment, but there are lots of places that have weekend bands. Most bands have a keyboard player and/or sax player. In most of them just about everyone sings some, and some have female vocalists. The country groups have a Pedal Steel and/or Fiddle player.
Other that the casinos, most of the venues don't pay enough for a band to make a living, but there are some really good bands that just like to play and are happy to take home $50 to $100 apiece. Some of them run bar tabs that are more than that!
DJs make more than band members do here, particularly at wedding receptions. I have two DJ friends that charge $1,000 to $5,000 for receptions. And they get to keep it all. You seldom see bands doing receptions any more around here. These guys know how to do a reception, complete with good personalities, lights, great sound, knowing when to play what...all the things that we musicians used to do. They dress appropriately and serve as Master of Ceremonies as well.
Rambling again ... time to go outside in the nearly freezing weather and play some golf.
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#443516 - 12/29/17 09:32 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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I almost forgot what this thread was about.
I agree he is a wonderful player and I agree that he seems to "show off" his ability a little. I probably would too if I could play like that.
I love that the people can stand right up behind him and see and hear everything, and interact.
I'm afraid I don't have 52 minutes worth of interest in it, but I skipped through it and didn't find much of what I would do, and didn't really hear much that was extraordinary.
As mentioned my others, ALL the new arrangers sound fantastic, and Genos certainly does too.
Big improvement in drums and the organs sound better now too.
I thought I even saw a couple of the guys moving a little towards the end. smile
But it's understandable that they were also getting restless after standing there for more than an hour!
Shoo Be Do Bops are still silly.
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#443518 - 12/29/17 09:46 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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Actually here i Holland with all the talent shows, many kids actually started playing real instruments again, mostly guitar, drums and espescially vocals.. but there is a comsiderable amount of piano players, mostly girls altough.. this does not only take effort from the kids, but also a lot of encouragement from the parrents...
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#443528 - 12/29/17 11:38 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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Tony, we always disagree, well, except when it comes to food. I still make a damned good filet mignon. wink There's a reason that woman has kept me around for 55 years. It's just 27 degrees out on my deck right now, but when she gets home, I will be grilling a couple steaks basted with Yoshida Gourmet Sauce, and some portobello mushrooms slathered with extra-virgin olive oil and sprinkled with garlic powder. Also grilling some asparagus coated with olive oil and sprinkled with garlic powder.

Now, they didn't cut the funding for music and art here, at least not that I know of, but I am aware they have done this in many states. The schools in Harford County, Maryland, where kids show interest in the music and arts programs, have those programs in place. Not sure about why some schools don't have these programs, even in this county.

All the best, and try to stay warm up there in Lil Ol Rhodie,

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#443538 - 12/29/17 12:51 PM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
Tony, we always disagree,
Gary cool


Gary ... I disagree with that statement ... laugh2 wink

Originally Posted By travlin'easy
well, except when it comes to food. I still make a damned good filet mignon. wink


If you're going to make one for me it had better be pretty red on the inside ...

Originally Posted By travlin'easy

It's just 27 degrees out on my deck right now,


27 degrees ?!?!? ... you having a heat wave down there ? ... 16 here in rhody with a wind chill of -1 ... but it's NEVER too cold to grill a steak ...

Originally Posted By travlin'easy
Now, they didn't cut the funding for music and art here, at least not that I know of,


Well, I was really surprised to hear of some of the programs they have cut in this town, even though we have one of the highest tax rates in RI ...
I am fortunate to live in a fairly affluent town (was able to buy property and build a home back in '84 - one year later I would not have been able to afford the property we had bought) ... our schools are ranked among the top 1 or 2 in the state year after year, but now they've cut music programs and don't even have the funds to keep school libraries open ...

Can't imagine what's next ...
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#443539 - 12/29/17 12:52 PM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: tony mads usa]
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Meanwhile, back to the OP ... Baartmans makes that Genos sound pretty good ...
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#443544 - 12/29/17 01:21 PM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: tony mads usa]
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Tony, elimination of funding for arts programs is what killed my guitar club at an elementary school in Louisville, Ky.

I covered all costs of instruments, recording equipment, 4 guitars a year for the best students, etc., but I guess they couldn't let one arts effort stand when all others were eliminated.

The system gave all instruments...(about 45)to students (without telling me, by the way). They had recipients write me a letter of appreciation.

My favorite said," Dear Mr. Benefactor: Thanks for the pretty guitar, but I'd rather have a keyboard".

OH Well,


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#443545 - 12/29/17 01:27 PM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: captain Russ]
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My favorite said," Dear Mr. Benefactor: Thanks for the pretty guitar, but I'd rather have a keyboard".
OH Well,

Russ


In the words of the great 'poet' Ricky Nelson, "your can't please everyone but you gotta please yourself" ...
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#443561 - 12/29/17 07:35 PM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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Here's another demo. You can really hear the drums in this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs1cdUku9ww
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#443733 - 01/02/18 01:11 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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Peter Baartmans is one of Yamaha's greatest assets in my humble opinion. He is also a huge motivator in getting people to at least consider purchasing a Genos. I mean if he can't convince you then who can? cool More importantly once people hear Peter playing the Genos the Genos basically sells itself because of the outstanding sounds it has in every category whether organ, strings, guitars, you name it.

No doubt mid-range and high-end arrangers today all sound fairly decent and good playing skills are icing on the cake. But if you want something out of the ordinary then there are only a few arrangers that fit the bill in my opinion. If you want the best then that narrows it down to three contenders i.e. the Korg Pa4x the Ketron SD9 and our most recent arrival the Yamaha Genos. If you want the cream of the crop then Genos in my opinion is a tough act to follow. But whatever floats your boat as they say.

The Ketron SD9 is even cheaper in price than the Korg Pa4x so yes if you want to save a buck then those two arrangers are very appealing and also sound great. What I'm trying to say is if your goal is to sound as good as possible then you need a keyboard that excels in realistic sound reproduction. Competition is good because it keeps the Big Three and others on their toes looking for ways to improve what is arguably already great products. Sound is subjective but if the goal is realism and authenticity then Genos takes the cake if you ask me. This is my own opinion of course but as they say, honesty is always the best policy, right? wink

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#443942 - 01/04/18 06:17 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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My general concern about Genos is that I do not see it as a tool. I see it as a cool thing to have fun with at home, an attractive and tempting thing. But playing in public you “sell” yourself as a singer or as a pianist, so all the “backing content” is not supposed to steal the focus. I notice that at first dealing with a new arranger keyboard I enjoy listening to all parts of an accompaniment and playing all voices, but eventually I enjoy muting parts of accompaniment except for drums, bass and pad, and focus on basic voices like pianos.

My point is that there’s not much room or need for playing horns or violins or saxes if you play in public because they tend to make music sound “cheap”. So I don’t see Genos as an efficient tool to play in public. And it’s not a keyboard for a band either. I’d say that $700 is a sufficient budget for a keyboard for gigging. And as for a studio type of work, Genos seems to be a weird choice as well. There’re as well such options as Yamaha MOXF, which cost about $1100. It sends audio through USB – I didn’t have a chance to try it but it seems like a real thing.

Well, it’s nice if people have nice homes and want to buy nice things for it. Like Genos or even Clavinova CVP-709GP. I guess it’s them whom Yamaha targets in the first place, offering Genos or CVP-709GP. I admit, a part of me wants to be among these people. Another part of me wants to be more mobile and flexible, which means no such security.

So it doesn’t have to be a practical purchase. But you have to label it somehow, you can’t just name it “a very cool thing”, it works better if it’s labeled “a tool for songwriting of a studio quality”. Well, Casio also declares most of their keyboards to be suitable for studio and stage, so what’s the point to be surprised.

Don’t mean to be offensive, I just need to let these thoughts out… so that I could change my mind latter...
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#443944 - 01/04/18 06:40 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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I think we have to pros and cons of any major purchase and I, for one, appreciate hearing an honest opinion.
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#443946 - 01/04/18 06:57 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
when she gets home, I will be grilling a couple steaks basted with Yoshida Gourmet Sauce, and some portobello mushrooms slathered with extra-virgin olive oil and sprinkled with garlic powder. Also grilling some asparagus coated with olive oil and sprinkled with garlic powder.



Gary cool



Holy Cow! That's exactly what I had to eat last night, minus the Yoshida!

Grill all year, even in -7 degree smile
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#443947 - 01/04/18 07:25 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
First off...Where are all the younger players?....everyone is sitting around their looking as they are falling asleep looking at heir watches,........saying to themselves "I could never play like him" Yes Genos sounds great but wouldn't making the demo more "customer playing ability friendlier" to induce people to maybe drop 5k on an arranger knowing they too may be able to operate and play on?...
versus watching a master play knowing your not going to sound like that? Just my observations..


Thats the typical crowd that visits these events in Holland...

In Germany there you see quite a lot of youngsters playing and visiting keyboard shows...

But overhere in Holland, the youngsters are mostly deejaying, playing guitar or playing piano.. the Genos is mostly out of their budget and not very fashionable among the youngsters..


so yamahas intent is to market & profit from the older crowd vs getting the younger generation into playing an arranger KB?...that said in a a few short years that older crowd will be gone and then what?


Edited by Dnj (01/04/18 08:12 AM)
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#443951 - 01/04/18 08:12 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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When this older crowd is dead and gone, the younger crowd will be older. I find it difficult to believe my son will be 52 years old in two months. Damned, I must really be old.

Zuki (Jim), I have a monster grill on the deck, tips the scales at 300 pounds and measures nearly 6 feet long with a 4-foot firebox.



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#443952 - 01/04/18 08:14 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
When this older crowd is dead and gone, the younger crowd will be older. I find it difficult to believe my son will be 52 years old in two months. Damned, I must really be old.

Zuki (Jim), I have a monster grill on the deck, tips the scales at 300 pounds and measures nearly 6 feet long with a 4-foot firebox.



Gary cool


I can attest to the awesomeness of Mr Wizards BBQ Grill oh man I remember those filet mignon steak sooooooo goood
YUMMMMMY!
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#443954 - 01/04/18 08:37 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: zuki]
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Originally Posted By zuki

Holy Cow! That's exactly what I had to eat last night, minus the Yoshida!
Grill all year, even in -7 degree smile


The grill cover that came with my Weber has never been taken out of its plastic bag ... best thing I did was move the grill from the patio downstairs to the deck off the kitchen ...

$5000 keyboard or $5000 grill? The grill wins ... bounce
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#443961 - 01/04/18 10:21 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: Mikem]
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Same here, Tony. Never put the cover on the grill, and I think I may have thrown it away some time ago. And, I also moved my grill from the patio to the deck just outside the kitchen. However, that move took four of us to accomplish. Tonight, Johnsonville Grillers bacon and cheddar flavor, tossed salad, sauteed onions and mushrooms.

Stay Warm,

Gary cool
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#443962 - 01/04/18 10:21 AM Re: Peter Baartmans Plays Genos [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
I find it difficult to believe my son will be 52 years old in two months. Damned, I must really be old

Gary cool


Gary
I was told that you are "Officially" old when you kid(s) are retired....... So, you young fart, you still have a ways to go !!! rotf2
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