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#440979 - 11/17/17 02:38 AM SD9 versus Genos
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I own both,SD9 and now 3 weeks the Genos,and now i get my hands on the Genos,can i tell you that the SD9 far out the winner is,the Genos is an Tyros 6 with a new design with small improvements,what is better:SD9 is much faster,the SSD is superb,the sound is so much more live than the Genos,i miss several things on the Genos,the styles from the SD9 are built with 2,4....24 messures,and also the bass is playing like a bassplayer,drums are the best you can get,also the percussion group,the Genos is better in the guitargroup and the DSP'S are very good,the styles are very bombastic and the intro and ending are very,very long,is already a half of a song,but when i use them on stage,the Sd9 is open/stereo/pressure,Genos is more compressed and stays behind in the PA,ALSO AN VERY STRONG POINT FROM THE sd9,save when you are playing,Genos must be stopped and than save,to much handling for save, i make constantly changes on the SD9 and save when i play,and ofcource the LAAUNCHPAD,you can combine almost everything together and make the most beautiful compositions,but the strongest point is the livesound,SD9 is a liveband,Genos is good in the presetsounds and DSP'S,so the combination with this two keys is the best for me as pro musician.


Edited by audyaplayer (11/17/17 03:06 AM)

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#440981 - 11/17/17 03:47 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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Very interesting,Audyaplayer. Thanks for the report.
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#440999 - 11/17/17 07:50 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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Audioplayer,
I have a Ketron SD7 and also the Yamaha Genos and I also find to be true what you are saying in your post. Even my SD7 has a profoundly more live feeling than my Genos. That said, the Genos is really a very good keyboard. I upgraded from a Tyros 4 and there is a huge difference in sound quality and style quality. The Genos touch screen user interface is also very good and easy to use. Perhaps the Genos 2 will add a more live sound.

Deane

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#441028 - 11/18/17 04:37 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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Hey Deane, i owned the T5,but the difference is not so big as from the T4,lot's of T5 is in the Genos,what you get witch the Genos?a couple of new styles,Dsp's(very good)new presetvoices and ofcource,a new design,but Ketron is more advanced in technique,and it's easy to handle,and it is fast,and again,drums/percussion/bass/live audioguitars,it's the best you can get.

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#441311 - 11/23/17 12:54 PM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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Good to hear...

How do the orchestral sounds compare?
To me the orchestral sounds have allways been the highlight of yamaha instruments
And the ensemble feature is the ultimate pinacle of those sounds..
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#441314 - 11/23/17 01:48 PM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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shocked Woops,
don't dare to mention that Ketron have any advantages if you are at PSR. laugh cry

Jokes aside, but I will probably never point to a winner side by side at home.
Somehow I totaly lost my interest for Ketron back when Audya was supposed to arrive.
Sold my lovely SD1, got ready to start dig into Audya, but it was delayed for quite a long time, in fact, very long time.
When it finally found the way to the stores, the price was so sky high that I could buy 1 top Tyros + 1 Roland G-70 (or PA3X-76) for the same amount of money.
The big price gap between Genos and other top of the line brands like Korg and Ketron today is to high to justify, so my wallet votes to keep T4 and add (most likely) PA4X-76.
Gives experience and time to determine which way to choose later on.

Anyway,
nice to see Ketron are at stage and in the price group to compete with the other competitors again.
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#441334 - 11/24/17 01:17 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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I would like to know what differences there are between the SD7 and SD9. Also, I have an Audya and is an SD9 that much better.
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#441360 - 11/24/17 12:15 PM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9
I would like to know what differences there are between the SD7 and SD9. Also, I have an Audya and is an SD9 that much better.


Most things missing from the audya in the sd7 made their way i to the sd9 pro

But also some new innovative things like
- user samples
- improved sample size and rom, lots of new sounds
- launchpad
And offcourse many new guitar, drum percussion and bass live sounds.

Does the sd9 really sound much better then the sd7 and sd40 and audya?
Hard to say, since those allready sounded great.
I did really enjoy playing the sd9 when i got the chance.

To me, the audya imterface/screen feels outdated when it comes to user friendlyness, so an update from an audya seems a good step..

However i am still not convinced if an update from the sd7 is worth it, for people that have no interest in the launchpads...
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#441368 - 11/24/17 01:24 PM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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I knew I could count on you,Bachus, to get an impartial assessment. Thank you.
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#441385 - 11/24/17 09:07 PM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Bernie9
I would like to know what differences there are between the SD7 and SD9. Also, I have an Audya and is an SD9 that much better.


Most things missing from the audya in the sd7 made their way i to the sd9 pro

But also some new innovative things like
- user samples
- improved sample size and rom, lots of new sounds
- launchpad
And offcourse many new guitar, drum percussion and bass live sounds.

Does the sd9 really sound much better then the sd7 and sd40 and audya?
Hard to say, since those allready sounded great.
I did really enjoy playing the sd9 when i got the chance.

To me, the audya imterface/screen feels outdated when it comes to user friendlyness, so an update from an audya seems a good step..

However i am still not convinced if an update from the sd7 is worth it, for people that have no interest in the launchpads...

User Samples????.... Where is the sampler of SD9???...
Not working...
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#441388 - 11/24/17 11:58 PM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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Sorry at moment the sampler of sd9 is not full ready. But soon you can have a new update with new funtions like realtime filter ecc. Only be wait a little time. As you know Ketron is not big like yamaha and korg, is a litte Italy company. So it's normal the time it's so long.
About the difference from sd9 sd7... there are many video youtube, and manual, but of course the big difference is not only the lanch pad but the live guitars, user audiodrum, the modeling is more big, the hardware is different, the touch screen , new sounds, styles, and much more
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#441453 - 11/26/17 11:15 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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#441512 - 11/27/17 01:21 PM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: pastroccio]
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Originally Posted By pastroccio
Sorry at moment the sampler of sd9 is not full ready. But soon you can have a new update with new funtions like realtime filter ecc. Only be wait a little time. As you know Ketron is not big like yamaha and korg, is a litte Italy company. So it's normal the time it's so long.
About the difference from sd9 sd7... there are many video youtube, and manual, but of course the big difference is not only the lanch pad but the live guitars, user audiodrum, the modeling is more big, the hardware is different, the touch screen , new sounds, styles, and much more


Yes many video’s, sadly all in italian. We are still wayting on some quallity english language tutorials..
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#441525 - 11/28/17 01:29 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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look youtube you found more video, not italian. YOu need tutorial ? for what ?
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#441537 - 11/28/17 08:17 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: pastroccio]
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Originally Posted By pastroccio
look youtube you found more video, not italian. YOu need tutorial ? for what ?


For launchpad to start with..
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#441549 - 11/28/17 11:10 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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i just buy the ketron sd9 , it's a fantastic keyboard, i'm french sorry for my bad english, thank you to accept me like a member

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#441716 - 12/01/17 12:46 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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here you found lanch pad demo "happy days" it's in italian
but you can understand


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-s6y_gj7w
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#441717 - 12/01/17 01:35 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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This guy is from Poland,nice Launchpad demo,and he is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQQxhJavrRM

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#441725 - 12/01/17 05:53 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
Bachus Offline
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Originally Posted By audyaplayer
This guy is from Poland,nice Launchpad demo,and he is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQQxhJavrRM


Originally Posted By pastroccio
here you found lanch pad demo "happy days" it's in italian
but you can understand


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-s6y_gj7w


Thats our problem, we don't understand anything they are telling.. Sure it gives you a basic knowledge... but no indepth info.

Not having English Demo's up almost half a year after the launch is what will kill the company Ketron. Its like not wanting to make any money at all.
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#441936 - 12/05/17 12:50 PM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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Hi,
in the moment I'm working with a combination of AUDYA 5(Ajamsonic) and Tyros 4. My idea was to upgrade the T4 to GENOS end of January, because I have a lot of gigs in this month and I don't want to change a running system until I have the time to make all necessary changes.
After checking a lot of YT videos concerning the SD9 launchpad, I'm not so sure, if my decision is the best.
The GENOS impressed me with a lot of new sounds, the assignable controls, 2500 reg files per folder instead of 500, the Revo!drums (which can be used better in MIDI/DAW productions as the AudioDrums) , touch panel, a lot of new styles and the downward compatibility to T4, so I can still use my registrations (hopefully).

What made me think (GENOS): the playlist only invokes registrations, chord riffs cannot be stored or simply used (compared to the launch pad), the sliders are changing the values directly ( a very live-unfriendly behavior).
Even with the Revo!Drums in my opinion the GENOS cannot produce the live-feeling, which I have with my Audya ( or SD9).

So, what to do?

Possible combination are:

T4 / GENOS
or
SD9 / Tyros 5 (used one with 76 keys)

because both will cost nearly the same upgrade price.

Could you give me some helpful advice. I know, its a very personal decision, but every hint is important.

Thanks,
Gerd (from Germany)

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#442064 - 12/07/17 04:49 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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SD9 and a T5 Tom,with al the extern packs(entertainer 2016,dance pack,and you have the Genos),i have now the Sd9 and Genos,but now after several weeks play with the Genos,it's nothing new for me,and said it before and now again,it is an updated Tyros6,the Sd9 is on stage the great winner,so much more live feeling,and the Genos is nice at home,with little speakers or headphone the Genos is perfect,but on a huge Pa set the Sd9 is fenomenal,so much pressure/stereo,drums,liveguitars and basplayers.Go try it and hear the difference.


Edited by audyaplayer (12/07/17 04:55 AM)

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#442065 - 12/07/17 05:00 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
Tom04 Offline
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Hi audyaplayer,

I just recognize that you live in NL, maybe near Heerlen?

Best regards

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#442067 - 12/07/17 05:09 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
Tom04 Offline
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One special question,

I read the sd9 manual, concerning launchpad settings an registrations.
Obviously there are only single registrations possible, no more block registration.
So, are the launchpad settings for one song (may be 4 - 6 scenes) stored in a registration. I think, that I can save an load launchpad settings including all scenes, but if I want to prepare a special song and want to load this using songbook+ or MobilesheetePro on stage, what happens?

Can I load only a registration an have to load the launchpad settings after that?
Can it be done with one loading process and even with external MIDI events (MSB,LSB,PGR)?

In moment I#m controlloing the Tyros and the Audya using two seperate Midichannels (T4 / CH16 Audys/CH15 ) and it works.

Best regards

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#442068 - 12/07/17 05:10 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
Tom04 Offline
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One special question,

I read the sd9 manual, concerning launchpad settings an registrations.
Obviously there are only single registrations possible, no more block registration.
So, are the launchpad settings for one song (may be 4 - 6 scenes) stored in a registration. I think, that I can save an load launchpad settings including all scenes, but if I want to prepare a special song and want to load this using songbook+ or MobilesheetePro on stage, what happens?

Can I load only a registration an have to load the launchpad settings after that?
Can it be done with one loading process and even with external MIDI events (MSB,LSB,PGR)?

In moment I'm controlling the Tyros and the Audya using two seperate Midichannels (T4 / CH16 Audya/CH15 ) and it works.

Best regards

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#442096 - 12/07/17 10:53 AM Re: SD9 versus Genos [Re: audyaplayer]
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Originally Posted By audyaplayer
SD9 and a T5 Tom,with al the extern packs(entertainer 2016,dance pack,and you have the Genos),i have now the Sd9 and Genos,but now after several weeks play with the Genos,it's nothing new for me,and said it before and now again,it is an updated Tyros6,the Sd9 is on stage the great winner,so much more live feeling,and the Genos is nice at home,with little speakers or headphone the Genos is perfect,but on a huge Pa set the Sd9 is fenomenal,so much pressure/stereo,drums,liveguitars and basplayers.Go try it and hear the difference.


i agree with you sd9 is fabulous, just the configuration is différent than yamaha but the drums are fantastics

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