I saw a video that compared the Genos to something else (not sure, maybe T5, maybe 4x) and they mentioned that the Genos cannot edit sounds or styles - said they were READ ONLY. Can this be possible? In a "workstation" of that price point?
If you're considering this beast - you might want to check this rumor out further.

Dave, you have always been able to edit the sounds and styles - don't know where this person got that information. The only ones that cannot be edited onboard are the Audio styles.

Gary

I would tend to agree with Gary. However, Dave's point of "buyer beware" is well taken.

Yamaha alway had pretty poor sound editing. And they are getting worse. I was hoping new Genos would break with dumbing us down, but it doesn’t look good so far.

Mirza, I have edited more than a dozen sounds using the onboard programs and never had a problem - they all came out great and have been downloaded thousands of times. There is nothing poor about the sound editing and style editing programs on Yamaha arranger keyboards, but only if someone takes the time to read the damned user manual. If you don't read the manual, then it's a user problem - not a keyboard program problem.

Have you ever edited any of the voices or styles on your T5? If so, how about posting them so we can all benefit from your expertise. I have posted my entire USB drive with thousands upon thousands of edited styles and many, many edited voices.

Good luck,

Gary

Hi Dave,
I think it was the Genos/PA4X comparison Video.
They said you could erase user sounds and styles on the PA4X and replace with your own.
In that regard it is true that it can't be done on any Yamaha KB and it would mean read only.
However you can customize the hell out of the styles and save to user in a different location. Same with sounds.
Eric

A wait and see attitude on genos at this point would be the best bet...

Martin Harris already demonstrated style assembly on the Genos.
No need to wait. He already showed us.
Eric

Yep! I saw that demo by Martin Harris as well.

Gary

Lots of style edditing on board
Only basic sound edditing on board
The deep edditing and sound creation is done trough a new version of Yem

There is still the rumor Yamaha plans to add deep sound edditing and a piano roll midi editor and much much more trough an ipad app


No wi am wondering why i quoted myself..

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Gary, I didn’t say there is no sound editing. I said it has a very poor sound editing for today’s standard, especially considering the price. Actually , the sound editing on Yamaha arrangers is pretty bad even if we compare it keyboards that were here 15 or 20 years ago.

How many arranger players really indulge in serious sound editing s push & play?

Ditto! And, do you really, sincerely, believe it amounts to a hill of beans to your audiences. C'mon, Mirza, post some of YOUR highly edited sounds so we can use them in OUR keyboards.

Gary

How many arranger players love to load those sounds created by the few players that do like to create them?

Having edditing features works 2 ways..
You will be able to create them yourself
But you will also be able to use what others created
With good edditing features much more people will become creative and share
Espescially the yamaha community loves sharing what they created

Who in the world would spend time editing voices, when they could be playing the instrument, with great sounds as they are? Except for fiddling with the effects and other minor changes.

People that want to sound different then others?
People creating authentic music with their instruments?

Why edit your styles with every performance you make
And not edit the sounds?

especially most are playing in their living rooms......ease of play is what sells arrangers

For the most part, at least with Yamaha, they have already done the creative work when it comes to their onboard sounds/voices. The breath sounds with the sax's trumpets, fingering sounds with many of the guitars, etc... I love what I hear, but there are times when I wanted just a bit more, which is when I went too the onboard sound creator program and began to experiment. This solved the problem of the thin sounding ground piano sound when the Yamaha grand piano was played using a mono PA system. I uploaded that sound to the PSR Tutorial site many years ago and it has been downloaded thousands of times. Users claim it is their go to piano voice for most of their music.

While some players only use 10 to 12 voices and styles at most, in contrast, some of us, including myself, use hundreds of styles and voices, mainly for diversity so every song doesn't sound like the last song performed. Keep in mind this is why a lot of the have guitar will travel performers in the Florida Keys and other parts of the nation don't get a lot of repeat work and paid $50 a night for a 4 hour performance. Diversity is why I love the keyboards and diversity is why keyboard players can appear to any audience.

All the best,

Gary

Check out this video by Qui Robinez, he is a semi professional sound designer for the Kronos that recently got to own a pa4x

https://youtu.be/63MfQzDdnu0

These sounds are created from scratch with the Pa4x synth engine, only using onboard samples..
Now with Korg, most people are asking money for what they create
Which is akin to how this world works

If it was Yamaha, then these kind of selfcreated voices would be shared with the community

Nice Demo.
I enjoyed that.
I used to fiddle with sounds way back when to create similar pad type sounds.
These days all I want to create is in the keyboard:
I change guitar sounds with different amps, change some of the Saxophones to make them a little grittier. Reverb, Echo, but that's about it.
We are talking about arrangers and the back bone of arrangers are styles. Lets face it. Otherwise we would by a Synth.
The style editing is more than sufficient for my needs.
As Gary said: The new Genos has 1600 sounds in it.
For most players this is more than enough.
There are very few people that enjoy and need more deep editing like Bachus and Mirza.
Most players don't care. Lets face it.
They want an arranger, turn it on, play and wow yourself and your audience.
And today's arrangers certainly can do that.
Most of us hang out on several forums. And the number of people that want/need deep editing are very few.
Most people are very happy with what they have.
I for one feel very blessed to live in times like these with all the amazing tools available to us.
We certainly have come a loooong way since the first arrangers.
Eric

When I owned Yamaha PSR keyboards I had to edit the piano sound to work well in mono, through my Bose. I hated the way it sounded out of the box.

We all did, Dave. It was a heavily stereo massaged sound that Yamaha produced, and in stereo it sounded fantastic. However, those of us that used the Bose PAS system, you and I, in particular, tried everything to make it sound as good in mono as it did in stereo. Unfortunately, the only thing that worked was to create a new voice/sound based upon Yamaha's original, mono, grand piano sound, which was very good to begin with, but needed a bit of help with the newer styles. Fortunately, this was very doable using the keyboard's onboard voice creator program, which is still available on most of the new keyboard, but under a different name. It was very easy to use, quite user friendly, and many of the PSR-Tutorial members produced some fantastic voices, especially Eileen, who resides and still performs in the UK.

Yamaha voices/sounds are very complex to make from scratch, just as their styles are. My friend Michael Bedesem has stated this many times, and he is a computer genius when it comes to the complexity of Yamaha software.

Here is a link to some of the mono piano voices I created, plus a neat guitar and velvet sounding sax. One of my deceased friends, an award winning sax player, and prior synthzone member once said "If I could get my tenor sax to sound that good, I would have been playing every night of the week." He was referring to the sax sound I created for the PSR-3000.

Yamaha voices.

All the best,

Gary