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#438707 - 10/08/17 12:50 AM New Genos demo
Gunnar Jonny Offline
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Found this link posted at PSR Tutorial Forum.
Thought it was worth sharing.
(Sweetwater demo by M Harris)




Direct YT link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFBTh3YC9C0&feature=youtu.be
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#438708 - 10/08/17 04:47 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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for some reason they are not showing off more traditional styles in genos demos?

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#438709 - 10/08/17 05:07 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
for some reason they are not showing off more traditional styles in genos demos?


I think that they try to reach the younger generation and other than the average and usual arranger users.
Have not seen any stylelist yet, but I'm pretty sure most of the T4/5 styles are present, and updated for Genos.
We will probably see and hear more if or when Michel Vonken do as he use to when demo.
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#438711 - 10/08/17 06:38 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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I have to admit - Yamaha nailed it with this one. This is the best instrument demo I've seen, maybe ever. The best thing they did was call it a workstation, and move away from the "arranger" label. This will attract a fresh, new audience of players of all ages. No need to showcase polkas and rhumbas ... I'm sure they're all in there, and we all know what they sound like. I was a little skeptical of the early hype, but my hat's off to Yamaha - they lived up to it.
It's still not for me (no speakers, too much real estate, no TC harmony), but it just may be the best sounding production station out there.
Before you all start in with why your **** is better, let me just say, objectively, that the past 10 years or so have produced some of the greatest musical tools I've ever seen, or heard. I'd be very happy playing almost anything out there today, and I'm grateful that Korg kinda "gets me" with their approach, but seriously folks - this is a cool instrument. If my studio had more room in it - there'd be room for a Genos. It'd stay at home for recording, and inspiration, but it'd get played.
Well done, Yamaha.
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#438712 - 10/08/17 06:45 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Thanks Uncle Dave for your unbiased assessment. I feel the same way as far as the studio/home player is concerned. Of coarse, it would be a good performance board, as well, but not my first choice.
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#438713 - 10/08/17 07:07 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
I have to admit - Yamaha nailed it with this one. This is the best instrument demo I've seen, maybe ever. The best thing they did was call it a workstation, and move away from the "arranger" label. This will attract a fresh, new audience of players of all ages. No need to showcase polkas and rhumbas ... I'm sure they're all in there, and we all know what they sound like. I was a little skeptical of the early hype, but my hat's off to Yamaha - they lived up to it.
It's still not for me (no speakers, too much real estate, no TC harmony), but it just may be the best sounding production station out there.
Before you all start in with why your **** is better, let me just say, objectively, that the past 10 years or so have produced some of the greatest musical tools I've ever seen, or heard. I'd be very happy playing almost anything out there today, and I'm grateful that Korg kinda "gets me" with their approach, but seriously folks - this is a cool instrument. If my studio had more room in it - there'd be room for a Genos. It'd stay at home for recording, and inspiration, but it'd get played.
Well done, Yamaha.


I mostly agree with you...

Escept for one thing..

They call it a workstation, but thats about all effort they did to make it a real workstation
- no daw integration
- no onboard sound creation
- no piano roll editor for midi edditing
- no advanced audio features and edditing
Thats just the top of the iceberg they aso forgot to pick up the creative tools they dropped with the move from motif to montage

So while they call it a true workstation, it is still very much mostly an arranger.
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#438715 - 10/08/17 07:30 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Uncle Dave]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
I have to admit - Yamaha nailed it with this one. This is the best instrument demo I've seen, maybe ever. The best thing they did was call it a workstation, and move away from the "arranger" label. This will attract a fresh, new audience of players of all ages. No need to showcase polkas and rhumbas ... I'm sure they're all in there, and we all know what they sound like. I was a little skeptical of the early hype, but my hat's off to Yamaha - they lived up to it.
It's still not for me (no speakers, too much real estate, no TC harmony), but it just may be the best sounding production station out there.
Before you all start in with why your **** is better, let me just say, objectively, that the past 10 years or so have produced some of the greatest musical tools I've ever seen, or heard. I'd be very happy playing almost anything out there today, and I'm grateful that Korg kinda "gets me" with their approach, but seriously folks - this is a cool instrument. If my studio had more room in it - there'd be room for a Genos. It'd stay at home for recording, and inspiration, but it'd get played.
Well done, Yamaha.


dont forget with professional Studio EQ processing in these demos it always is made to sound fantastic by professionals till you get it home....after all they have to sell these units ...


Edited by Dnj (10/08/17 08:17 AM)

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#438716 - 10/08/17 08:01 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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As Bachus mentioned, most of editing is taken out. At least they are not saying anything about it. It sounds good, but I can see why Yamaha kept the cat in the bag all this time. It can do a lot of stuff, but mostly it can’t do much of anything fully.


Edited by mirza (10/08/17 08:02 AM)
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#438717 - 10/08/17 08:05 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Donny, you know as well as anyone that that's not true. Anyone that takes time to read the instruction/user manual can make their keyboard SOUND the same as the demos. The only reason they don't sound as good is they cannot play like the guys providing the demos. Now, we have some damned good players on this, and other forums, however, none that I know of are at the level of Martin Harris, etc... They have spent countless weeks leaning every nook and cranny of that keyboard, thus they can get the best out it every time they fire it up. Additionally, they are showmen. Then can enthrall an audience of potential buyers like no one else can - that's why they were hired to begin with.

I agree with UD. This is an incredible machine and in the right hands, it will be a fantastic musical production tool.

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#438718 - 10/08/17 08:18 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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I agree it sounds good but 4900 Euro come on. I can buy a Korg Kronos with 88 keys plus a PA700 for that money. I think its a rip-off. But that's my opinion.

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#438719 - 10/08/17 08:20 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By FransN
I agree it sounds good but 4900 Euro come on. I can buy a Korg Kronos with 88 keys plus a PA700 for that money. I think its a rip-off. But that's my opinion.


Fran exactly we all have choices......enjoy what you play.

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#438721 - 10/08/17 08:41 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Yup ... it's a lot of money, but if it addressed MY needs, I'd be writing a check. Some think the 4x is way overpriced. The Tecnics line was SKY high priced ... the market will bear what it deems justified. Personally, 5-6 grand for a very versatile pro tool that can be effective for over 20 years, in the right hands is a solid business investment. Yeah, yeah, I know - business school says it's NOT an investment. I say whatever I use to enhance my business can be thought of as an investment in my success.
Gary ... you're on.
(I KNOW you want to chime in)
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#438722 - 10/08/17 08:48 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Maby if I win the lottery I buy one smile No it is a instrument for the pro who earns his money with it. Not for me.

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#438724 - 10/08/17 09:13 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Nobody is going to ask Rick Wakeman if one of his keyboards is a 'wise investment'. That's only a consideration if you really can't comfortably afford it; therefore, it's more a case of how much discretionary income/money you've got. If it doesn't impact you financially, then who cares how much it costs. JMO.

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#438725 - 10/08/17 09:25 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Dave, if you can enhance or increase your business income by purchasing the Genos, then it IS a business investment. If your income remains the same, it's just another, moderately expensive, toy. Keep in mind the same folks that are claiming the Genos is expensive have no qualms buying or leasing a car that has all the bells and whistles, when they could have saved $15,000 on the same model by not going for the power everything, funny lights, 10,000-watt stereo system, touch screen navigator, etc... Amazing!

Fran, if you hit the lottery, you can buy a nice sailing yacht and install a Genos, and have a half-dozen college girls in bikinis take care of the boat's daily maintenance. I saw a bunch of these in Florida along the Intra Coastal Waterway near Fort Lauderdale. I'm sure these guys were either lottery winners, or sold drugs for a living. wink

Chas, I agree! (Wow - did I just type that?) wink

All the best,

Gary cool


Edited by travlin'easy (10/08/17 09:28 AM)
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#438730 - 10/08/17 10:13 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Well the demos sold me, but I can't afford it. So I'll wait for the PSR and see how many features trickle down.
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#438740 - 10/08/17 11:26 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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"Chas, I agree! (Wow - did I just type that?"

Hey, I nearly always agree with Chas when it comes to music, sound, economics. . . The love of music easily overcomes everything else. Even Jazz. smile
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#438747 - 10/08/17 02:20 PM Re: New Genos demo [Re: DonM]
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Originally Posted By DonM

Hey, I nearly always agree with Chas when it comes to music, sound, economics. . .


Okay, so now I just have to work on his politics, religion, and taste in music smile smile smile.

Talent, intellect, and sense of humor; that has always been what makes Don one of my favorite 'zoners', even if we don't always agree on everything. Maybe it's our shared Native American heritage (grandmother 100%, me 25%).

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#438748 - 10/08/17 02:26 PM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Well, I’m still sitting on the fence, as a Yamaha person with two arrangers. I’ve watched all the Genos videos to this point and, yes, it sounds good, but I still need to see a longer demo that hits it out of the park. I’d like to see some of the various features shown and explained in detail. May have to read the manual, which is never fun----or, wait on the Tyros Tipsters, or Peter what’s his name.

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#438759 - 10/08/17 09:12 PM Re: New Genos demo [Re: J. Larry]
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Love the Yammie pedal steel sound...wish I had that on my 4X...

That said, I'm not hearing that the Genos is better sounding than my 4X...at least on the videos.

Thing is, until someone spends some time with Genos, the reviews are pretty much speculation in my mind.


Edited by guitpic1 (10/08/17 09:18 PM)
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#438782 - 10/09/17 08:45 AM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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#438813 - 10/09/17 02:58 PM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Can't keep up with all the demos - any Tyros owners seen this one?
https://youtu.be/WldfskpP7dA
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#438814 - 10/09/17 02:58 PM Re: New Genos demo [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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I can see that "3rd party" styles already produced for Genos.
Samples at website played on Genos.
(Camaro24 does also produce for Yamaha MusicSoft)

http://www.camaro24.pl/en/genos-style,c202.html
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