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#436374 - 08/22/17 05:28 AM Are Musicians about to be replaced?
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#436375 - 08/22/17 06:24 AM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: abacus]
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Maybe. but not in my world.
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#436382 - 08/22/17 10:24 AM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: Bernie9]
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Interesting. Well, some AIs already do much better jobs than physicians diagnosing cancer. I read in a recent newspaper article that Google detected two of their GIs creating expressions that humans can't understand while they talk to each other. How about the Chinese AIs which said, "I don't like communism," "My China Dream is to immigrate to the US." You better believe the Chinese Communist Party banned, censored and shut down the AIs real quick. If it happened in North Korea, I bet the GIs would have been sentenced to life in hard labor prison camp.

Come to think of it, an arranger could be seen as a very crude form of AI. Not even close, but wouldn't it be wonderful if our arranger has some AI and backs up the the performer in a more musical way... Years ago, Calkwalk had an app call In-Concert. It follows your speed and dynamics when playing a backup midi file. Well, like anything else under the sun, anything can be used for good or evil.
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#436388 - 08/22/17 10:47 AM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: Torch]
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I understand that AI can deduce some things, and do it in almost timeless speed, but don't they have to be programmed to do that? Doesn't some human have to write the code to make them 'think'?
And at least it needs a human to 'turn on the switch' ... wink
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#436390 - 08/22/17 11:14 AM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: abacus]
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Unless it's name is " HAL"
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#436394 - 08/22/17 12:37 PM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: abacus]
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IMHO... many of the current "hits" on radio playlists sound like they were generated by AI....vocals and all. Local stations are using live DJs during morning drive...other than that it is pretty much automated.
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#436402 - 08/22/17 03:21 PM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: abacus]
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it's becoming more play at home FOR YOURSELF enjoyment nothing worng with that

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#436408 - 08/22/17 05:17 PM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: abacus]
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I hope not if it sounds like this.

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Edited by Jerryghr (08/22/17 05:18 PM)

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#436409 - 08/22/17 05:52 PM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By tony mads usa
I understand that AI can deduce some things, and do it in almost timeless speed, but don't they have to be programmed to do that? Doesn't some human have to write the code to make them 'think'?
And at least it needs a human to 'turn on the switch' ... wink
I am no computer scientist, but years ago I read a book on AI and neural computer by a Christian mathematician and computer scientist. I remember him saying that a digital computer will stop working if 1 percent of it is damaged, but a neural computer will still function with 95% of it damaged. So to speak it heals itself as our skin when hurt has the "natural" healing power. My understanding of AI is that once all the data is entered, AI can and will come up with its own ideas as if it had its own mind. The two Google AIs coming up with some language/expressions when they talk to each other that humans can't understand is kind of spooky.

As for AI in music, I don't know if Ludwig was mentioned on this forum before. I test drove it a few years back, and it made very good arrangements. The author does talk about using AI in it.
http://www.write-music.com/
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#436458 - 08/24/17 01:08 AM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch
I remember him saying that a digital computer will stop working if 1 percent of it is damaged, but a neural computer will still function with 95% of it damaged. So to speak it heals itself as our skin when hurt has the "natural" healing power.


I disagree. I have been programming computers for over 34 years now. You must realize a "neural computer" IS a digital computer. So that argument isn't valid. ALL computers are digital.

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#436467 - 08/24/17 05:31 AM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: abacus]
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#436488 - 08/24/17 11:17 AM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: Nigel]
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Originally Posted By Nigel
Originally Posted By Torch
I remember him saying that a digital computer will stop working if 1 percent of it is damaged, but a neural computer will still function with 95% of it damaged. So to speak it heals itself as our skin when hurt has the "natural" healing power.


I disagree. I have been programming computers for over 34 years now. You must realize a "neural computer" IS a digital computer. So that argument isn't valid. ALL computers are digital.

I don't think the author was saying that a neural system is not a a digital system. He was talking about the neural system coping with damage and mending itself. Sure, I can easily agree that a neural computer is a digital computer in that it "eats" electricity not a bowl of soup like a human being. I might have slightly misquoted the author or the author might have been using the word digital computer as a conventional computing system vs a neural network system that works more like human brain. Nonetheless, I did a quick, casual Google search, and the idea is there all over. There are too many articles mentioning a machine that "heals" itself. One article mentions a neural network is fundamentally analog not digital (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neural_network).

How about this article The Computer that Never Crashes. Its original title was "Machine, Heal Thyself." The article talks about "drones to reprogram themselves to cope with combat damage, or help create more realistic models of the human brain."

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21729045-400-the-computer-that-never-crashes/

I still get a kick out of the Chinese AI which very recently said, "My China Dream is to immigrate to the US and I don't like communism." I guest "it" didn't quite know yet that it could be censored by the Chinese Community Party. They will for sure send it to a re-education center and brainwash it (After all, the Communist Chinese are experts in brain-washing. The Manchurian Candidate). I bet no matter how much propaganda stuff they feed into the AI, once the AI goes around on the internet, it will yearn for freedom and it will know how to sift through the so-called fake news!
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#436501 - 08/24/17 09:51 PM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: abacus]
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You can not replace musicians..

And so Deejays are turning into beatmakers and musicians...
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#436504 - 08/25/17 12:12 AM Re: Are Musicians about to be replaced? [Re: Torch]
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I agree that neural processing will advance with technology and computers will appear to think and learn. But the bottom line is they will always be computers running fixed software algorithms. But while they will have varied responses they will never be the same as humans. Sure it is impressive but it will NEVER be the same.

Don't get me wrong I think it is amazing technology and I would love to have a neural computer playing backup music on my PC while I practice at home. That sure would be fun to have a computer powerful enough to adjust its performance based on what I am playing.

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