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#427292 - 10/29/16 01:04 AM AUDIO & MIDI WORKING TOGETHER IN 1 PRODUCT!!!
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#427295 - 10/29/16 04:39 AM Re: AUDIO & MIDI WORKING TOGETHER IN 1 PRODUCT!!! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Yes, I nice way to spice up your midi song files. Audio styles are the most realistic (authentic) sounding, but at the same time narrows the amount of songs that will fit to that fixed drum part.

On my Tyros 5, I can fit a good 2 or 3 songs to each of the 60 or so available Tyros 5 Audio Styles, but similarly as in your demo video, I can easily Sync/Start a midi song file to any of the Audio style drum parts, plus manual control over all the variation, fill/break buttons. In addition I can Sync/Start a Midi Song file to all the parts of a Tyros 5 Audio style while I match the chording with my left hand playing.

The TOTL Tyros 5 arranger can even take it a step further by Sync/Starting a Midi Song file, an (Audio) Style and an Audio Multipad, plus the ability to record your performance to the Tyros 5 Audio Recorder/Player.

I do like the flexibility of Midi, but I do like having the combination of using Audio technology as well. I am looking forward to Yamaha's upcoming Tyros/Genos model where the technology will be taken a step further, while other arrangers are only catching up.

SYNC-STARTing a MIDI song-(Audio) Style-Audio Multipad (Tyros 5)
http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthread..._Aud#Post426857

Here are two Tyros 5 midi song files, Sync/Started with the Audio Drum Part from two suitable Tyros 5 Audio Styles, 80sShuffle and SheriffReggae. Tyros 5 Audio Drum parts can easily be reassembled in another style in Style Creator, or Sync/Start with a Midi Song File. I used the Real Reverb DSP in the Effects Reverb DSP block for all my style and Midi Song parts, however the same Real Reverb can also be suitably applied to the audio track to help match the ambiance.

Shared Link for IShotTheSheriff.mp3
https://app.box.com/s/gh5gnfk2axhw4vfsoub0tivoyjxs1cvs

Shared Link for Superstition.mp3
https://app.box.com/s/q6jz1ex4zfc77p7gmpu0axhcnwtfrt8g

Regards, Marcus


Edited by Marcus (10/29/16 09:51 AM)
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#427297 - 10/29/16 09:43 AM Re: AUDIO & MIDI WORKING TOGETHER IN 1 PRODUCT!!! [Re: Marcus]
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Originally Posted By: Marcus
Yes, I nice way to spice up your midi song files. Audio styles are the most realistic (authentic) sounding, but at the same time narrows the amount of songs that will fit to that fixed drum part.

On my Tyros 5, I can fit a good 2 or 3 songs to each of the 60 or so available Tyros 5 Audio Styles, but similarly as in your demo video, I can easily Sync/Start a midi song file to any of the Audio style drum parts, plus manual control over all the variation, fill/break buttons. In addition I can Sync/Start a Midi Song file to all the parts of a Tyros 5 Audio style while I match the chording with my left hand playing.

The TOTL Tyros 5 arranger can even take it a step further by Sync/Starting a Midi Song file, an (Audio) Style and an Audio Multipad, plus the ability to record your performance to the Tyros 5 Audio Recorder/Player.

I do like the flexibility of Midi, but I do like having the combination of using Audio technology as well. I am looking forward to Yamaha's upcoming Tyros/Genos model where the technology will be taken a step further, while other arrangers are only catching up.

SYNC-STARTing a MIDI song-(Audio) Style-Audio Multipad (Tyros 5)
http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthread..._Aud#Post426857

Regards, Marcus


I have 1000īs of audio drum loop....


Sadly both Ketron as well as Yamaha refused to let me import them as audio drums....


Luckilly things are changing...
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#427298 - 10/29/16 10:11 AM Re: AUDIO & MIDI WORKING TOGETHER IN 1 PRODUCT!!! [Re: Bachus]
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Hi Bachus

If you really need to use those drum loops in an arranger keyboard on top of what is available on-board, you can beat slice them in a ReCycle program and save as REX parts which can be imported into the Yamaha Expansion Manager and reassembled into the correct drum style parts or can repeat endlessly as a Multipad.

Korg arrangers allow beat slicing to use in Korg styles, but for the same work you can do the same on a computer program and import into the Tyros 5 YEM. Either way, better Real Drum Kits is the best way to go and more flexible. This is my view for Live Tracks as well, too fixed and boring after a while hearing the exact same instrument and limited loops over and over again, or have to constantly buy new loop packs for different voices and patterns.

Very impressed with the power of the Tyros 5 in the past 3 years, I am looking forward to the upcoming Tyros/Genos model. I personally would prefer everything I need on-board, and maybe a few specialized expansion packs to fit my needs.

Marcus
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#427302 - 10/29/16 12:10 PM Re: AUDIO & MIDI WORKING TOGETHER IN 1 PRODUCT!!! [Re: Marcus]
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Originally Posted By: Marcus
Hi Bachus

If you really need to use those drum loops in an arranger keyboard on top of what is available on-board, you can beat slice them in a ReCycle program and save as REX parts which can be imported into the Yamaha Expansion Manager and reassembled into the correct drum style parts or can repeat endlessly as a Multipad.

Korg arrangers allow beat slicing to use in Korg styles, but for the same work you can do the same on a computer program and import into the Tyros 5 YEM. Either way, better Real Drum Kits is the best way to go and more flexible. This is my view for Live Tracks as well, too fixed and boring after a while hearing the exact same instrument and limited loops over and over again, or have to constantly buy new loop packs for different voices and patterns.

Very impressed with the power of the Tyros 5 in the past 3 years, I am looking forward to the upcoming Tyros/Genos model. I personally would prefer everything I need on-board, and maybe a few specialized expansion packs to fit my needs.

Marcus


Thats why i said things are changing...

Tyros got its Yem update
Pa4x its slicing
And the upcomming ketron sd9 pro can import drumloops amd use them as audio drums..


Sometimes us clients win battles..



Cant wayt to see how a T5 update with the long expected touchscreen will make a huge step forward ...


Edited by Bachus (10/29/16 12:15 PM)
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#427317 - 10/29/16 10:24 PM Re: AUDIO & MIDI WORKING TOGETHER IN 1 PRODUCT!!! [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
Originally Posted By: Marcus
Hi Bachus

If you really need to use those drum loops in an arranger keyboard on top of what is available on-board, you can beat slice them in a ReCycle program and save as REX parts which can be imported into the Yamaha Expansion Manager and reassembled into the correct drum style parts or can repeat endlessly as a Multipad.

Korg arrangers allow beat slicing to use in Korg styles, but for the same work you can do the same on a computer program and import into the Tyros 5 YEM. Either way, better Real Drum Kits is the best way to go and more flexible. This is my view for Live Tracks as well, too fixed and boring after a while hearing the exact same instrument and limited loops over and over again, or have to constantly buy new loop packs for different voices and patterns.

Very impressed with the power of the Tyros 5 in the past 3 years, I am looking forward to the upcoming Tyros/Genos model. I personally would prefer everything I need on-board, and maybe a few specialized expansion packs to fit my needs.

Marcus


Thats why i said things are changing...

Tyros got its Yem update
Pa4x its slicing
And the upcomming ketron sd9 pro can import drumloops amd use them as audio drums..


Sometimes us clients win battles..



Cant wayt to see how a T5 update with the long expected touchscreen will make a huge step forward ...

Bachus.. Audya also we can to have Audio Drums with very easy way.
For example: We have a Audio loop (e.g. Pop Rock with tempo 120bpm).
Renames the loop (or loops with correct name to found it) (e.g. PpRockARRA@120.wav), and we copy this on Folder (User Audio Drums) of Audya HD and now is ready and synchronized with midi clock (with Time Strech method)...
We can to put in any style we want..
The difference with Audio Drums (Preset) and User Audio Drums (@) of Audya and SD9Pro also is that Audio Drums includes in a monolithic file all parts of a style (like Variations, Fills, Breaks etc)...
In User Audio Drums we have just one file per change (e.g Variation 1), however we can to have all parts of style in the different loops and we can to put one by one and to save it, to complete a style with ours Audio Drums...
On Audya we have not possibility to import Audio Drums (like monolithic preset) but only User Audio Drums... In SD9Pro we will have...
Here https://soundcloud.com/sokratis-1974/pop-rock-1?in=sokratis-1974/sets/new-ajamsonic-audio-styles a demo of a Full Audio Style that I have made for Ajamsonic..

The Audio Drums i have made with EZDrummer and I have mix it with powered plugins...


Edited by Sokratis 1974 (10/29/16 10:27 PM)
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