One of the strongest most powerfull features in Yamaha keyboards is the registration memmory, in which you can set near to everything, from switching your whole keyboard setup, to changing a voice or selecting a different tempo...

I dont think there is anything as powerfull as this on the Korg keyboards, this is one of the things giving the Tyros an edge over the pa4x (offcourse the pa4x has other strong points, but this is one of those things where yamaha seems to have their nose in fromt..


Sad thing is, i havent found a way to call these registrations from the music finder, which together with the fact that there is no setlist, renders the music finder pretty useless..

But then, i create my setlists with registration banks, one bank for each song, and even registration sequencesthat allow me by the use of a single pedal to step trough the sepperate parts of a number... I think i would miss this feature dearly if ever moving from Yamaha to Korg..


With all the hosanna praising for the pa4x of lately, i think tyros 5 also deserves so,e attention...

I never used more the one reg per song on all my yammies...

Donny, a lot of players use an entire bank per song. A few years ago, I posted full instructions on both techniques on the PSR-Tutorial site. Take a look at http://www.psrtutorial.com/lessons/playing/regist/10regGD.html

Gary

I'm well aware of the multiple registration practices seems illogical to me and my style of playing, I ...
But to each their own...

I never understood why Yammie could not write the firmware/software so that the player could call up registrations via the music finder. IMO, Yammie is missing the boat with this feature. There are plenty of workarounds and I know it's not a deal killer for the Yamaha player but it would be a nice addition.

The Yamaha Mfd is ancient and needs a serious change in design.... Let's wait and see what turns up on Genos... Although for me the Korg Pa4x is hard to beat.

I don't see the need for the Music Finder.

All the registrations are displayed alphabetically. Just like MFD. You can even move them into folders by Genre (Latin, Fast Slow etc.)

You can scroll to the registration or just punch in the number and hit enter, and using Michael Bedesem's Open Text program the PDF files open automatically on my 20" screen.

I use a lot of voice registration changes with each song----sometimes 4 to 8 changes. The reason: When playing solo for up to 3 hours (instrumentally), piano alone gets a little stale for me. I’ll typically use piano on the first chorus, then on subsequent choruses of the tune, switch voices every 4 to 8 measures. That keeps the song interesting and customers seem to pay attention more, wondering what’s coming next.

technics had something similar with their Panel Memories YEARS ago ...

Offcourse there are workarounds, but putting it where it belongs, would have been so nice...

Still not having added this feature to the Music finder shows definately Yamaha is not so good at listening to its consumers...


This is among the few features, that Yamaha definately should have added by now... i can not see anything against it (except changing the data format of registrations and maybe backward compatibillity items (but those could easilly be solved by supporting both data formats)) ... but it would have made this feature so much more powerfull

Donny, i work with 3 basic types of registrations..

1) Basic registrations that set up the keyboard in a certain way ( pedals , mic and such), this is where i start from while creating a new performance
2) Performance registrations, which sometimes have a full bank of up to 8 registrations, these can easilly be used to step to the next part of a performance.. you can use them for minor but also for very drastic changes, like stopping (part of the) style, changing tempo, muting tracks.. anything possible..
3) Voice registrations, these change the voices of the keybpard only, this works very much like the keyb sets of the PA4x.. I have a map with Jazzy sounds, and a map with Classical sounds.. and more, just an easy way to contnously change your voices.. with the same style playing...


And there is quite a few other ways to use this feature. Now if you dont have need for number 2, as you seem to indicate, maybe the other ways still would come in handy.

I agree ... I use Registrations heavily on my Tyros5 ... for most songs, I have one Reg for the song. I use the RIGHT 1, 2, 3 to "prepare" additional sounds I can quickly switch to ... such as R1=Piano for the 1st verse, R2=Jazz Sax for a solo, and R3 to Vibes for change of sound for 2nd verse. Then I can combine R1+R3 for 2nd chorus, to get yet another sound - all from one Registration.

For some songs, that just "need" more than one Registration, I use more. For example, I do a Sound of Music Medley that uses about 16 registrations (2 banks of 8). When I play "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant" (Bily Joel), I need a bunch of reg's to pull it off. But >90% of the songs I play, only have a single Registration for them.

I have shared hundreds of my Registrations on the PSR site, but for T3 and T5. Search for me (jimlaing) or for "sharing registrations" to find them.

Oh, and I use unrealBook on an iPad, and use its MIDI features to call up Reg's on my T5, so that when I load up a song (scanned sheet music) on my iPad, the Tyros changes automatically to the appropriate Reg, and I can immediately play the song. I also have started using Registrations for alternative songs ... since I had ~400+ Registrations, and many more songs than that which I play, for some songs I'll "re-use" a Registration from some other song. For example, since in some instances some other Waltz is similar enough to "Beautiful Ohio" (as a random example), that I can use the "Beautiful Ohio" Registration for one other waltz (song). I simply program the MIDI data for that "alternate" song to call up the Reg for Beautiful Ohio. And if needed, I program a Tempo change via MIDI if the "alternate" song needs to be a bit faster or slower than I'd set in the Reg for Beautiful Ohio. (this is confusing to explain; hope it makes sense! :-)

Anyway, yes, Registrations on the Tyros are very powerful and useful ...
Jim

I think of it like this,..........As a singer all I need is "my band with me" which includes all the other style parts & two backup singers (VH)....I use approx 50 styles which can cover any genre of songs I need all custom tweaked and edited for my way of playing including mostly the same 8 sounds, some layered, in OTS, STS, etc, in upper 1 & 2 sounds which rarely change as each member of the band would in real live performance playing "their" instruments. I can understand that "Instrumentalist players" need more sounds but that's not the case for me. I also have no need for charts or lyrics mostly which allows more freedom to play off the cuff the way I want it to sound. Works for me using One registration per song. Anything that goes beyond the workings of the arranger in style mode I create a custom Mp3 backing track to play & sing over as too many parts are needed for the arrangement I prefer.
An arranger is a multifaceted tool to be used in many many ways!

I don't have a Tyros just a lowly PSR S 750 With an extensive repetoire of songs in multiple genres. I find the Registration System to be pretty amazing. I use one registration per song and this works great for organizing my performances until I have so many banks of 8 song registrations, that I need to type a reference sheet to categorize my songs. This is not good as the beauty of registrations is not having to deal with cheat sheets. I was hoping I could store my songs in Music Finder alphabetically as you have done in that screen shot from your Tyros. Looking at that alphabetical and numerical listing on your Tyros looks like I could quickly find any of my songs quickly. I'm sure I do not have that section shown in your screenshot on my PSR S750.

I was hopeful that MUSIC FINDER would do this for me as Korg's SONGFILE had worked for me in this capacity when had I rented Korg PA/600 and Korg PA 900. Alas, the Yamaha Music Finder is completely useless in this regard. It is not tied to registrations, so all your settings for volume and instrument choices etc. are reverted to default settings rendering this part of the Yamaha software totally ineffective for making a master list of my songs.

God Bless.
Don

The screen shot I posted was obtained by changing the view.

Check if you have a view button under the normal listing of your registration banks. Pressing the view gives a more detailed page.

Regards,

Jerryghr

Jerry, the PSR-series does not have a view feature like the Tyros does. It only has an info button, which allows you to view the information selected and stored in that registration.

All the best,

Gary

Hey Gary, how do you handle the situation I describe? I would love to be able to call up my registration settings without trying to remember in which bank I have the song settings
saved. This is especially important in responding to song requests.

God Bless,
Don
P. S. Don Mason, I bet you can do what I want with your Korg.

Don, the only way you can do that is to use an entire bank of registrations for each song, which then allows them to be listed alphabetically just like the Music Finder.

Some players I know name their registrations by letters, such as A, B, C, C2, C3, the letter indicating the song's title. This works for them, but I never liked it.

In my case, I used the Music Finder a lot, and rarely used registrations. My registrations were the same as yours, however, I named them in categories, but after a while, you tend to forget which songs are in Rock, Rock1 and Rock2. With the Music Finder, everything was alphabetical and I could scroll through the song list while playing and singing another song. When I found the next song I wanted to play, when I ended that first song, I mere pressed the Enter button, then pressed a chord and went right into the next song in less than a second. It was fairly easy for me. I believe I posted a video on this, and I will look it up and post it again before the Ravens Game kicks off this afternoon.

Here's the video I posted a couple years ago.



All the best,

Gary

Does anyone know why yamaha refuses to add a possible registration bank to the music finder?

When you think about it, if the MFD were expanded to include all the save features of a registration, then there would be no need for registrations. The same would be true if the MFD were eliminated and the registrations were automatically alphabetized regardless of whether the registrations were individualized or done as a full bank. In their favor, Yamaha provides you with more options in that you can select from three, different methods to store and select your songs. It's up to the player to determine which is more suitable for their needs. It can be as simplistic as the MFD, or as complex as registrations - take your pick.

Gary

the Yamaha MFD needs to be TOTALLY redesigned it doesn't even save transpose?....nothing I've seen so far is better then the KORG Songbook feature.

I agree with the Gary, and one thing to consider too, if you are an instrumental player, usually have much more complex musical arrangements, the Registrations make this very easy, and I can tell you one thing, I see this all the time mainly at Namm shows etc...all the great artist like Peter Barttsman, Martin Harris, Craig Knudsen, Michael Volncken, etc....ALL of them, manage their demos or performances in the Registrations.....at the touch of One button make many changes, and if you use more than 8 registrations, you also can use the + or - Bank to advance to the next Registration Bank, of course, naming your registrations Alphabetically or numerically, easy.

I think that depends on what suits what you will find wherever feature does the job Registrations or MDB, simply stick to what works for you.

In some Yamaha synts have what they call, "redundant user interface", meaning that there is more than one way to get you where you want to be, like in Montage you can do it via Touch screen, but, also you can do it by the panel buttons.

Manuel