Just wait till the next Tyros (or whatever they call it)comes to life. I am sure it will be a keyboard that will please us all.
Lloyd

Good video clearly showing of the differences, love the sound of the PA4x.. esp[escially when styles are used it seems a little more realistic.. tough i think that can only be heared in a direct comparrisson.. Tough where they use the freeplay stylepart with the strings on the T5, it shows some of the strengths of the T5.. The piano of the pa4x is almost on par with the Kronos, but that has 5 of them,,, drums and styles really will make the pa4x sell

Some of the strong points of the T5 didnt make the video, SA2 voices, organ world and ensemble for excample..

In the end, i would be happy with both, tough there is no reason to change from t5 to pa4x, the differences except for the piano can only be heared in a direct comparisson.. and when i do a feature comparrison, the T5 still has some things to offer over the pa4x when it comes to options... where the pa4x has the better controll scheme..

I dare call this a draw?

Online demos are not the best way to tell what an instrument sounds like in the real world, (You don’t know what they are connected to and recording/processing system used) however I have to say the Korg wins hands down, as a lot of the sounds and styles do sound like what I am used to listening to live music. (Real players and instruments)

I must admit the more I hear the T5, the more I can understand why a lot of owners have gone back to a T4, as overall the T4 just sounds more real. (Roll on T6 as if Yamaha follow form it will be a real cracker)

Don’t forget if Korg follows form, in a few months down the line Korg will probably add a lot more features and sounds in a free update. (Roland used to do the same)

Bill

The Motif replacement called montage is knockling at the Doors of Winter Namm, there Yamaha will show of the technollogy one can expect with the Tyros 6..

This montage combined with Varranger and external Karma running on a tablet PC might even be the perfect soundsouyce for Yamaha styles.. Unless offcourse Yamaha themselves add an ipad app that allows you to play styles using the sounds of the Montage...

It's interesting to hear you say that the Tyros 4 sounds more real. I wonder how many on this forum feel the same way?

And one of the most important things for live playing and sounding alive.
DRUMS: Yamaha 1- Korg 10

good thing we all have choices,......not everyone is concerned with the same things & needs,.....for me I'm happy with the Yamaha Drums, Styles, Sounds, (especially using some of the newer S970 styles,)
and S950 key-feel, size, & weight for gigging as it's set up for MY needs on stage. Although a large Tilt Up Display like the Korg Pa4x would be nice on future S- models.

Assigning 0 to 5 points for the realism of the first sounds, my score would be:

Tyros 5 / PA-4X
Piano: 3 / 5
Big Strings: 3 / 1,5
Full Pipe Organ: 5 / 4,5
Solo Violin: 3,5 / 5
Nylon Guitar: 5 / 5

I've seen the video 2 or 3 times already, and I took notes. Judging only this particular video, I prefer the Korg for;

*Piano *Strings *Violin *Blues Style *Balad Style


I prefer the Tyros for;

*Pipe Organ *Guitar *Bossa Style *Rock Cha Cha Cha Style


It also depends what style variations he used. And for the WoodWinds (Flute, Clarinet and Sax), I think I may prefer the Korg.

I'm kins of shocked, because in the past, I was never crazy about Korg's solo instrument sounds, compared to the earlier Tyros models. Plus, the Korg is less expensive.

Why can't $10,000 just fall from the sky so I can get both?

good thing we all have choices,......not everyone is concerned with the same things & needs,.....for me I'm happy with the Yamaha Drums, Styles, Sounds, (especially using some of the newer S970 styles,)
and S950 key-feel, size, & weight for gigging as it's set up for MY needs on stage. Although a large Tilt Up Display like the Korg Pa4x would be nice on future S- models.

Assigning 0 to 5 points for the realism of the first sounds, my score would be:

Tyros 5 / PA-4X
Piano: 3 / 5
Big Strings: 3 / 1,5
Full Pipe Organ: 5 / 4,5
Solo Violin: 3,5 / 5
Nylon Guitar: 5 / 5

Someone has to win the lottery, and you have just as much chance as anyone else. (Assuming you play it of course)

Fingers crossed

Bill

when it comes to strings on the Tyros 5, having the ensemble feature puts it 3 steps higher..

I've seen the video 2 or 3 times already, and I took notes. Judging only this particular video, I prefer the Korg for;

*Piano *Strings *Violin *Blues Style *Balad Style

Strings? You mean you liked those phony, airy 'Ballad Strings'?? They sounded like whipped cream from an aerosol container to me, maybe I'm spoilt from the students' symphonic orchestra I once played in...

Mikem.

"It would be great to have both keyboards!" I agree do you think $10,000 would do it?

God Bless,
Don

YUP, I prefer the Korg Strings. Yamaha never had good, realistic Strings. Korg's Strings sounded richer and more realistic. Yamaha's sounded "synthy".

I listened to the Ballad strings again, I can't believe these convince you, as you like Kurzweil strings so much. What a difference. The Motif Romance Strings are not very realistic either, but to me the sample at least sounds more dense and not so airy.
Generally, for professional strings in hardware instruments, I would always look for additional libraries/ expansions, AFAIK these are the only ones that have separate section samples for violins, viola and celli each.

When I first heard the T5 strings in the video, I thought nice string sound, however when the Korg strings started, a recording I have by the BBC Symphony Orchestra sprang to mind as they really were that good. (If you hear a sampled/synthesised sound and a real (Players and instruments) performance pops into your head it has to be good)

Bill