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#408484 - 09/18/15 06:42 AM ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited
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#408486 - 09/18/15 06:43 AM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: Dnj]
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#408487 - 09/18/15 06:47 AM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: Dnj]
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#408488 - 09/18/15 06:49 AM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: Dnj]
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#408492 - 09/18/15 07:10 AM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: Dnj]
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#408494 - 09/18/15 07:19 AM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: Dnj]
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A lot of very good sounds, but Roland has to work on a natural sampled vibrato in the SuperNatural tones e.g. when trumpet and saxophone tones are sustained. The basic sound and the behaviour modeling features are very good, but when sustaining tones the sampled vibrato is missing, instead there is an artificial vibrato that makes it unnatural! In some older sax tones of the BK-7m the natural vibrato is there. I don't like it in the SuperNatural tones, it's artificial - also in my Integra.

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#408495 - 09/18/15 07:35 AM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: Dnj]
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I wonder what is the real reason the BK line didn't do as well as the Yamaha, KORG, arrangers etc?..... The Bk organs sound terrific..the iPad add on editor is a interesting feature also..

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#408496 - 09/18/15 07:48 AM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
I wonder what is the real reason the BK line didn't do as well as the Yamaha, KORG, arrangers etc?..... The Bk organs sound terrific..the iPad add on editor is a interesting feature also..


- it was to cheap
- people didnt understand the 2nd screen
- eu resellers make more money selling a Yamaha
- no midi pads


The more i think about it, the more i can see 2 touchscreens ( acomp en sounds) that share sliders and knobs in the middle become could easilly become the new standard..
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#408497 - 09/18/15 07:52 AM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: Dnj]
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Maybe it's a kind of chain reaction. Roland didn't have any arranger of that price range for several years. Now it's difficult to get back into business in that segment, as most dealers probably don't even have any BK-9s on display to try it in the store. Typical self-enhancing process where cause and effect blurr: Dealers don't order a display unit as they anticipate lacking demand, so no customer can test it, and nobody buys it. Etc.
Additionally, marketing was bad in the beginning, and many buyers are too much focused on visual aspects, if they see a big touchscreen they think the sounds are better, and those two small displays put them off.
AND it's Roland's own fault as they didn't deliver the tone expansions they announced.


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#408525 - 09/18/15 12:32 PM Re: ROLAND BK9 Demo revisited [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
A lot of very good sounds, but Roland has to work on a natural sampled vibrato in the SuperNatural tones e.g. when trumpet and saxophone tones are sustained. The basic sound and the behaviour modeling features are very good, but when sustaining tones the sampled vibrato is missing, instead there is an artificial vibrato that makes it unnatural! In some older sax tones of the BK-7m the natural vibrato is there. I don't like it in the SuperNatural tones, it's artificial - also in my Integra.




I noticed the very same thing with the SuperNatural sounds. This made some of the woodwinds, like oboe, sound fake, too.
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