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#404713 - 07/10/15 11:15 AM SD7 Recordings
DonM Offline
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Here's a link to a folder with eight songs I recorded live last night, using Ketron SD7.
I know the vocals are a little hot on some, and to my ears they may be a little dry as well. I was trying to adjust to hearing a different sound system as well as the new keyboard.
Of course there are mistakes, as it is unedited and I'm far less than perfect. Still working on balance adjustments of lead sounds to style, and style parts, but it's coming along.
Vocal harmony is pretty basic.
Let me know what you think good or bad please.
Thanks!
https://app.box.com/s/2zr1h3utqdja4aao08nmew81vrwadcwr
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#404718 - 07/10/15 01:30 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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OK, you asked for it. Overall, they sounded very, very good. However, the vocals sounded a bit thin, this having heard you live on a more than a few occasions. Additionally, the bass guitar sounds seemed to be a bit overpowering, even of the drums. But this may be because I am so accustomed to hearing the balance that Yamaha uses and not accustomed to hearing the SD7, or any Ketron product for that matter.

Keep em coming old friend,

Gary cool
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#404724 - 07/10/15 02:18 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
DonM Offline
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Thank you Gary. From what you said and from a couple of private replies I've had, the bass is too strong. I am hearing that also, particularly on certain styles.
I was tinkering with the vocals because of the Space Station amp.
This falls in line with my early issues with the Space Station. I was hearing it as being a little muddy because it was! Had nothing to do with the Space Station except that the sub was reproducing the lows where I could hear them louder.
I will use my original keyboard and vocal settings tonight and roll off a little bottom on the styles. As always it's a work in progress.
I was hoping to get more responses because the songs have been accessed quite a number of times already. I am afraid people don't like the sound and don't want to hurt my feelings, but that's why I posted the songs. Not to get way to go's, but to hear other opinions. I don't trust my ears too much any more.
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#404730 - 07/10/15 02:43 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
hammer Offline
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Don,
I get the same thing on some of the styles - bass heavy. I have gone in to a lot of them and reduced the bass. Helps tons.

Deane

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#404731 - 07/10/15 03:03 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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Don:

You could sing from the bottom of a well using a kazoo and it would still sound fantastic. I agree with the earlier responses but I also understand it takes a little time to adjust to new gear. Have no fear, my friend... you still have it.

All the best,

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#404732 - 07/10/15 03:07 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
DonM Offline
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Bless you Dave. Your check is in the mail!
Stay tuned, I will try again tonight.
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#404735 - 07/10/15 05:28 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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Awesome recording Don!
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#404736 - 07/10/15 05:37 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Don, all of the suggestions are coming from folks that were not in the room you played..

They are listening to PC speakers or headphones..

On top of that several are use to the Yamaha sound ( not live sound as the Ketron)...and they (DNJ and others) are use to cutting bass and pumping up the highs..(They have nursing home ears) smile

You are playing a room, and want to sound like a real band...the Ketron has great bass and drums, that sound live..When did you ever struggle to hear the bass of a live band...presence is there, and you feel bass..The drummer is also out front..dynamics...

Don't judge your performance of a live room based on a recording being heard on a pc..
We don't want to program and perform our sound to be live, and critic it to sound like a radio grin
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#404737 - 07/10/15 05:45 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: Fran Carango]
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Fran
That was a nice read and accurately said !!!

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#404740 - 07/10/15 07:34 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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So, I wonder when Fran is going to hop aboard a plane and fly to Shreveport so he can hear Don perform live? Hmmmmm!

Flights leave hourly, Fran, wink

Gary cool
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#404742 - 07/10/15 08:37 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/14/99
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Loc: University, MS 38677 USA
Don:
I listened to all 8 songs. I agree with Fran’s comments. It truly sounded like a live band. I’m impressed with the drums and bass parts. I wish Yamaha had more of that sound. Vocals very clear. Sounded good through my Bose speakers. I liked your tune selection. I do 3 of those songs myself. Your lead guitar parts remind me of a live club combo. Your style fits well with that material. I can imagine couples on the dance floor. Thanks for posting.

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#404743 - 07/10/15 10:05 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
DonM Offline
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Thanks guys!
I did a little tweaking tonight and I am very pleased with what I heard. I did roll bass off a couple of the styles. Most were o.k. though.
I put my usual amount of reverb back on mic.
I played with the new Space Station for the first set, then I unplugged it and plugged my Bose Compacts back in. I am more happy with the way I'm used to hearing it! You can go out into the room and sure enough the Space Station does exactly like they say. You can hear every nuance and the stereo effect everywhere in the room.
However I don't want to compromise what I'm hearing on stage. I'm sure I could work with it and get it right. It is an excellent concept and implementation. I think I will probably stick with what I have though.
I will listen to tonight's recording tomorrow and try to post some more, if they are o.k.
I really appreciate the help!
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#404746 - 07/10/15 10:58 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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Hey Don,

I've played fraternal club dances and snowbird dances at mobile parks for 23 years. I still use am sm50 solton and love it.

I listened to all of your songs and found that your vocals were out front and not over reverbed and the bass and drums were right on spot for a good live sound. The Yamaha sound is processed to give a recorded sound which many people are used to.

Personally I like the out front sound of the bass and drums to give it that live sound. Just my opinion.

Allen

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#404747 - 07/10/15 11:46 PM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
spalding1968 Offline
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Hi Don it's worth here. I have listened to all the recordings. As far as I can hear they sound fine and I'm not bass heavy. In fact everything sounds pretty much the same as any of your recordings. Which makes me wonder why change keyboard or sound system at all? It's very obvious you like a certain sound and a particular style and it suits you. Enjoy what you play but in reality from my ears any minor tweaking that you're making is making actually no real difference at all.


Edited by spalding1968 (07/10/15 11:47 PM)

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#404748 - 07/11/15 12:26 AM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: spalding1968]
john smies Offline
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Hi Don,

As you know I am seriously contemplating of trading my PA800 and Ketron X1 for the SD7. ( thanks for your views by the way).
Let me start by saying that a couple of months back I purchased a set of 1980 Jamo Studio Monitors ( J-150) and they are linked to my computer via a Denon amplifier. They sound absolute awesome. That is how I listened to your tracks.
With the possible exception of Mack the Knife none of the songs came over as being bass heavy.

Here are my overall impressions:
1. Drums, bass, piano, sax : EXCELLENT
2. Vocals : EXCELLENT ( as to be expected smile )
3. Vocal Harmoniser: hardly there, and if so as in the first
two songs the level is too low to really give a sound
opinion on it. Needs working on no doubt.
4. Styles : I miss hearing most of the acc. tracks other than
of course drums, bass and occasionally some guitar
strumming. I realize that part of this is due to your choice
of repertoire which is basically country. Still would be
nice to hear piano, brass etc. in the accompaniment
sections.

5. on "Misery love company ": Jerry Lee eat your heart out !!

OVERALL WHAT I HEAR IS A VERY ACCOMPLISHED SINGER AND ENTERTAINER BACKED BY A VIRTUAL LIVE BAND.

I am looking forward to hearing some more stuff in time, in particular as to the acc. tracks and of course the Vocal Harmoniser.

regards,
John

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#404749 - 07/11/15 04:16 AM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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Don, I've heard you play on every brand of arranger keyboards, and you sound great on all of them, but I must say that I think you sound best on Ketron.
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#404759 - 07/11/15 08:15 AM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
DonM Offline
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Thanks guys! I pretty much agree with you all. But the tweaking I did last night really helped, I think.
I brought the vocal harmonizer level up, added a little reverb to the vocal and set some more levels on some style parts, particularly the one I used for Mack the Knife! John's comments came AFTER I made these changes, so it affirms my choices.
My performance was better last night for another reason too. You have to be comfortable with what YOU are hearing. With the Space Station, the audience was pleased but I was having to make adjustments to position, adding sub, etc. Together with the work I'm having to do to adjust to the new keyboard, I feel it is too much to take on right now. I'm perfectly please with using two Bose Compacts and will continue to do so.
I will return the Space Station, unless someone wants to buy it. I got a really good deal on it.
After breakfast I will post some of last night's stuff and I would appreciate if you have time to critique it for me.
I'm more and more pleased with the SD7.
I agree with Worth that any changes to my gear is more to please me than the audience at this point, but I do enjoy the more live Ketron sound, and many of the operational features. I will post one song where I edited the bass sound in the style while I was starting the song. It's so easy to do on-the-fly stuff like that. You can even Save things while playing a style or song.
Heck guys, it's a new toy, although the most important tool of my trade as well!
Stay tuned if you are a glutton for punishment! smile
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#404763 - 07/11/15 08:26 AM Re: SD7 Recordings [Re: DonM]
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Originally Posted By: DonM
Thanks guys! I pretty much agree with you all. But the tweaking I did last night really helped, I think.
I brought the vocal harmonizer level up, added a little reverb to the vocal and set some more levels on some style parts, particularly the one I used for Mack the Knife! John's comments came AFTER I made these changes, so it affirms my choices.
My performance was better last night for another reason too. You have to be comfortable with what YOU are hearing. With the Space Station, the audience was pleased but I was having to make adjustments to position, adding sub, etc. Together with the work I'm having to do to adjust to the new keyboard, I feel it is too much to take on right now. I'm perfectly please with using two Bose Compacts and will continue to do so.
I will return the Space Station, unless someone wants to buy it. I got a really good deal on it.
After breakfast I will post some of last night's stuff and I would appreciate if you have time to critique it for me.
I'm more and more pleased with the SD7.
I agree with Worth that any changes to my gear is more to please me than the audience at this point, but I do enjoy the more live Ketron sound, and many of the operational features. I will post one song where I edited the bass sound in the style while I was starting the song. It's so easy to do on-the-fly stuff like that. You can even Save things while playing a style or song.
Heck guys, it's a new toy, although the most important tool of my trade as well!
Stay tuned if you are a glutton for punishment! smile


Don. ...sorry to hear the Spacestation speaker didn't work out for you, at least you gave it a shot and got it out of your system.
You know what's best for you. It's fun to test new gear out only way to tel if its right for your needs. cool2

carry on...... keys

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