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#401165 - 04/06/15 09:23 AM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: kitkat]
kitkat Offline
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Thanks, Mike. As I smile and say that I have exhausted all trumpet possibilities in the KN7000. I'll stick with the Trumpet Soloist and only touch briefly the slow sounding vibrato notes, treating them like touching a wet hot socket and improvise around the melody.

Best,

Mark

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#401171 - 04/06/15 03:31 PM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: kitkat]
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Just a thought....Have you tried using a non vib Trumpet and using After Touch to add the Vibrato ?

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#401190 - 04/07/15 08:25 AM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: kitkat]
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Hi Bill,

Good thought. I'm not quite sure how you would do this. Are you suggesting it be done in EASY EDIT by using Delay along with using vibrato?

Mark

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#401196 - 04/07/15 01:00 PM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: kitkat]
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Hi Mark,
I'm a bit busy at present, but I'll get back to you as soon as I can......
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#401197 - 04/07/15 01:12 PM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: kitkat]
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Hi Both,

Umm. I've been chuckling for a couple of hours because this is what I said in my first post but I thought you had tried it. Have a look back. Take you a couple of minutes to make a good trumpet I reckon.

Best wishes,
Mike
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#401212 - 04/08/15 04:48 AM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: kitkat]
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Chuckle you may Mike.. But what I was suggesting is a bit different to your method..... LOL !!

I was thinking about providing a Vibrato "On Demand" by using the After Touch facility.
Using your method would certainly provide an improvement, but using the Delay Vibrato would mean that every note held down long enough to allow the Delay to time out, means that the vibrato would be applied to every 'long' note. This may or may not be the desired result....

Using the After Touch method would enable the player to produce the vibrato as and when he wished to do so, merely by pressing harder on the key, and even producing a steady note, then the Vibrato, then back to a steady note.....

As I mentioned previously, I'm a bit tied up at present but will get back with a procedure.....
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#401226 - 04/08/15 09:50 AM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: kitkat]
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Aha yes Bill you're right! Good thinking!

Reg's video might help with this I should think it is the same principle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzssMW74GvM

Best wishes,
Mike

PS send us your perfected Trumpet Impresario when you've done it! laugh
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#401228 - 04/08/15 11:16 AM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: designserve]
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OK- I've found some free time to produce the procedure... Here it is...

Have Fun !!

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Initial setup
1. Press Program Menus > Control > Overall Touch Sensitivity.
2. Check that the After Touch Settings are as follows : ON/OFF set to ON : Curve set to 10 : Treshold set to 1.
3. If these settings need to be changed, then adjust as necessary.
4. Press EXIT x3 to return to the Home Screen.
5. Make sure only RIGHT1 is selected in the Part Select option buttons.

Procedure
1. Press Sound Explorer > Brass > select either Trumpet NV or Solo Trumpet NV (to your taste)
2. Press Program Menus > Sound Edit > Tone. You should see under Tone Name, Trumpet if you selected Trumpet NV, or Brt. Trumpet 1 if you selected Solo Trumpet NV
3. Press EXIT once to return to the Sound Edit Menu screen.
4. Press Controller and select After Touch (fourth button from top, on left of screen) Orange rectangle will move to After touch.
5. Check that in the Function Column, LFO 1 Depth is selected.
6. Lightly, Press any Note key (within normal Trumpet range) and you should hear the Non-Vibrato Trumpet sound.
7. Press the Note key harder and use the UP Arrow / Down Arrow buttons at the bottom of the screen, in the Depth Column, to adjust the Vibrato Depth to your liking - around 45 seems like a good starting value.....
8. The Vibrato initial Speed appears to be set to 21, however, you can change it to your liking as follows.
9. Press EXIT once to return to the Sound Edit Menu screen.
10. Press LFO and you should see the Pitch Modulation screen. Note that only the 1st voice is ON.
11. Check that LFO 1 is selected (Default). You can now adjust the Vibrato Speed (Default 21), using the Up Arrow / Down Arrow buttons at the bottom of the screen, under the Speed Column. Leave all the other parameters at their default settings
12. Having adjusted the LFO 1 Speed, you may wish to re-adjust the LFO 1 Depth... Press EXIT once and then follow the procedure from step 4 above, repeating as necessary, until you are satisfied with the Depth and Speed results.....
13. Press Program Menus to return to the home screen.

Save Your New Sound
1. Press Program Menus > Sound Edit > WRITE > Sound Naming > CLR
2. Give your New Sound an appropriate name - for example "TouchVibTrumpet" and press OK.
3. Select a Memory Bank location for storing the new Sound and press OK - Your New Sound will be available in the MEMORY button in the Sound Group.
4. It would be a good idea to now Save your entire Sound Memory to a new location on your SD Card
5. On Page 2 of 3 in the SD Save screen, select 'All Off' and then select only the SOUND MEMORY option and name the file appropriately - say New Trumpets......

Additional comments.
Using this method for adding Vibrato to a sound, you can choose when YOU wish to add the effect by just pressing harder on a Note key. You can even play a Note without Vibrato, then add the Vibrato using After Touch and return to a Non-Vibrato sound by just gently releasing the After Touch pressure.
The effect can also be added to other Brass instruments - such as Trombone, Muted Trumpet, Flugel Horn etc. or even Sax and Flutes, by selecting the appropriate NV version of the instrument in Step 1 of the procedure above.
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#401229 - 04/08/15 11:43 AM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: Bill Norrie]
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Bill,

As usual, your work is absolutely Astonishing!

Technics should hire you as a Consultant.

You could help them out with the new KN2001 (Codename "Odyssey"... it's shaped like a black monolith and you have to 'think hard' in order to play it).

Invaluable help!

Cheers,
Mike
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#401294 - 04/11/15 09:57 AM Re: TRUMPET SOLOIST VIBRATO [Re: kitkat]
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Hi Bill,

Thanks for your emails. I responded but wanted to post this one for everyone to see. I followed carefully your instructions for the trumpet sound and the trumpet does sound very good. I used the Trumpet NV and not the Trumpet Solo. However, my using the same Trumpet NV in Easy Edit and changing the brilliance for a more brassy sound, using what I considered a good vibrato and delay and I have almost the same quality as doing your method and not have to fight the touch sensitive thing.

I posted earlier that I was able to get a good trumpet sound but I think the problem is with the difference of Trumpet Soloist, it has a spatial vibrato sound to it that is a default. Does anyone know how to come at least close to this sound? If I could get that sound on the trumpet I came up with I would be a happy camper.

Bill, your post is very good for other instruments to consider. I have never been fully happy with the trombone sounds in the keyboard. I will be experimenting with your procedure in the future for what I hope to be a good trombone sound. Thanks, so much for taking the time and posting. I'm sure this will open up possibilities for others on the forum.

Best regards,

Mark

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