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#393103 - 09/11/14 05:39 PM Re: Missing in the action [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
Ian, I tried one out at the music store - it sounded fantastic. Not enough options for me, though.

Gary cool


Me neither, Gary, if it was to be used solely as an arranger. Mainly, it's the lack of an On Bass fingering option. If it wasn't for that, I could easily do a gig with it.

I had been sent one for use as a demo, and I was immediately very impressed with the sound, especially how musically (and smoothly) they responded to the filter/resonance controls.

We use it for the sounds and their ability to be controlled via the live editing knobs, and, of the tones, it's mostly brass, strings and pad sounds, although a few of the other voices, organ and bass are also very nice when processed.

Occasionally we'd use a style or one of the arps, but mainly it's the live/active analog style control over the voices that makes it so valuable.

Ian
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#393109 - 09/11/14 11:20 PM Re: Missing in the action [Re: Bachus]
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Or maybe make the realtime controls an add on accessory like the PG-800 controller was for the Roland JX8P. Then people wouldn't have to pay for something they don't need but it would be available for those that want it. Plus it would provide the manufacturer some extra income to give them incentive to offer it.

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#393114 - 09/12/14 01:52 AM Re: Missing in the action [Re: ianmcnll]
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Registered: 03/02/06
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Originally Posted By: ianmcnll
Perhaps we'll see active knobs on a higher end arranger in the future, if the companies feel the demand is high enough, and they will still make their already good profit (the latter is more important to them, of course).

Yamaha has recently been putting "active" controller knobs on their lower end instruments (arrangers) like PSR-E433 that can be assigned to affect filter cutoff and/or resonance (plus several other parameters) which can be done live on either voices and styles or both. (See short demo below)

We have a Yamaha PSR-E423 in the studio for quick digital synth sounds that have analog control, and the instrument was very inexpensive considering what it does. Some of the sounds, especially when layered, are pretty huge and have lots of motion and character, and the filter can even be made to self-oscillate. Strings, brasses and pads are especially affected. The knob movements can be recorded in the instrument's rather limited sequencer.

Maybe they are testing the waters and might consider these types of controls on the higher end models?

Certainly, it would be a good thing, in my opinion.

Ian



This video shows exactly my points.... It shows how some knobs and a good arpeggiator add a lot to an arranger... Real time controll, combined with a perfected workflow/ui.

Myabe they should add a few knobs to the T6, including a synth section comaparble to the current organ section of T5 and an arpeggiator ...

Just a few knobs, that get assigned the most usable parameters for every sound you have selected....

It would allow indeed for some lovely synth playing...
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#393115 - 09/12/14 01:58 AM Re: Missing in the action [Re: Nigel]
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Originally Posted By: Nigel
Or maybe make the realtime controls an add on accessory like the PG-800 controller was for the Roland JX8P. Then people wouldn't have to pay for something they don't need but it would be available for those that want it. Plus it would provide the manufacturer some extra income to give them incentive to offer it.


Indisagree.... Adding the physicall knobs does not cost anything, however creating the user interface and software to make these knobs an integral part of the software is what costs the money... These costs stay the same, wether you add an external unit or just a few knobs on the arranger


Inam pretty sure, they can make those knobs a tool everyone will use on their arrangers... And as said, adding physicall 4 knobs and lights would be an investment of less then €10 in parts.... Its the software that will cost, .....

I think if they wanted to make the T6 even better, then this feature combined with some synth emulators would be a superb step in that direction...
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