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#384746 - 02/18/14 02:18 PM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: Joesax]
Joesax Offline
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Loc: Southern New Jersey
montunoman:

Sounds like you have had great time with music, except for those bleeding hands. Never saw a drummer with bleeding hands so that's a new one. Although playing sax I would sometimes get two cuts on my bottom lip after playing all night with a stiff reed. Also your parents indeed were cool about music. Thanks for your story.
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#384758 - 02/18/14 03:15 PM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: Joesax]
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
This old man had bleeding fingertips while playing the keyboard just a few years ago. My fingers resembled raw hamburger, went to 14 doctors, none of them had a clue what it was, went the Baltimore Hand Clinic and they said if it got any worse they would have to amputate my finger tips to the first knuckle. Tuned out that the cure came from an unusual source - a guy who resided at one of the retirement communities where I've performed for more than a dozen years. He looked at my hands and said "My wife had something very similar and after taking vitamin D it went away in three weeks. I suffered with this for two years and the pain was awful every time I played. With some urging from my wife, Carol, I had my vitamin D level tested and it was down to 10 - it should be 50 minimum. I began taking 5,000 units daily and within a week, my hands began to heal. At the end of a month, they looked great and there was no pain. I informed a half dozen of the doctors and they scoffed at the results - I told them to GO To Hell and fired the lot of them.

Cheers,

Gary cool
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#384777 - 02/19/14 05:44 AM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: travlin'easy]
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Gary:

Vitamin D is a critical and sometimes neglected supplement. I take 1000 IU every day. We just can't get enough from food and sunshine unless we live in one of those sunny all the time locations. But then we have to worry about protecting our skin. Also lack of Vitamin D can contribute to seasonal depression when there is a long absence of bright sun shine during the winter. Glad you solved your problem.
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#384849 - 02/19/14 08:22 PM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: Joesax]
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
I'm going to deviate slightly from the format, but I just posted this on PSR Tutorial Forum on a thread about "playing by ear", and it seems relevant.

Jogging my memory about how I learned to "play by ear". BTW I hate that term. My kids aren't interested in doing what I do, so maybe I can share some of the process on here and help someone along.

1. Started playing trumpet so learned to read the melody line. Can read any treble clef music. We always had a piano, but all I did was tinker around on it, picking out melodies. Started relating trumpet notes to piano notes.
2. Started playing organ in a band (learn as you go), so learned to play basic chords, C, F, G, E, A, D with left hand. I took Music Theory in college and this certainly turned a light on, learning the relationship between the notes that make up chords, the intervals, etc.
3. Started doing some solo work, so used music sheets or Fake Books, either bought or home-made, with the chords and the melody line. Most were in C.
4. Gradually learned to deviate from the melody notes I was seeing and adding fills and runs. I learned them by listening and imitating organ and guitar players.
5. Got tired of paying a singer, so I started singing the melody notes instead of playing them. Still did the fills.
When learning a song, I played the melody line and sang it at the same time. That's how I learned to sing. This also taught me to learn the songs in appropriate keys to fit my vocal range. I learned there were certain singers who's songs I didn't have to change the key to do (Merle Haggard, George Strait, Jerry Lee, Elvis). I learned there were certain songs I shouldn't do at all.
6. As my repertoire grew, I made a LOT of my own lead sheets. Just lyrics with chords over them. By this time I could play most melodies without needing to see the notes. I would record the songs off the radio (remember those), on reel-to-reel, 8-track, cassette, VCR, minidisc, and finally digitally, as the various technologies evolved. Then start and stop, rewind, pause, etc. while writing down the lyrics and figuring out the chord changes. By the time you finish a song, you pretty much know it.
One of the things I did right was to make a lead sheet for EVERY song I ever learned. Started out either writing the words and chords by hand, or on a typewriter. Over the years my pile of fake books grew to something like a dozen packed loose-leaf binders.
7. Along came computers and I started doing them on computer, using word processor. I also started going back and laboriously entering every song I had accumulated into the computer, all by typing the chords and lyrics again.
This process took a couple of years to actually complete. PDFs were not invented yet, or at least I didn't know about them. I also made notes on each sheet as to A. the basic style, (4/4, 2/4, 3/4, 6/8, shuffle, rock). . . B. the bass line (2/4, walking, etc.) . . . C. the tempo (beats per minute). And D. the date the song was recorded and the date I learned it.
When I enter them into the computer I use the Properties to identify Artist, Genre, Tempo, Date, etc., so they can be easily sorted when looking for a particular song, as in doing a request. I might get a request for a George Jones song. No problem, just sort by Artist and the list of Possum songs is displayed alphabetically. "Play a Waltz" . . .just sort by Genre and the list appears sorted by Waltz, Rock, Blues, Country, Standards, Cajun, Jazz, Latin. . .
Now, my repertoire has grown to a couple of thousand songs, at least, and still learning new ones each week. Still listening to good players and continuing to improve my instrument emulations. The vast majority of songs I do regularly I don't need to look at anything except the audience. Actually if I think too much about what words are coming up or what my fingers are doing, I'm more prone to mess something up.
The learning process is much easier now. Find the song on Youtube, play it back a time or two, then play along with it on the keyboard, going through the process above. You can also search the internet for lead sheets some one else has done. Be careful, they aren't always right, but they are getting better. Change as needed, adding Properties and side notes.
So, YES, I can sit down and play just about any popular song, especially if I listen to it a few times and it helps if I like it. Friends and audiences are amazed because it looks so easy. It is now, but trust me, it was a LONG learning process. I've been doing this for more than 50 years and still learning!
Hope this helps someone in some way. It has kept me from having to get a "real job" for most of my life!
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I no longer ever look at notes, even when learning a song, although I have an extensive library of PDF files, and a closet full of fading fake books.
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#384861 - 02/20/14 06:28 AM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: Joesax]
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Loc: Southern New Jersey
I am still trying to improve my Playing-by-ear. I can read music and while reading I have to play the song many times before I can comfortably play it. However I find I forget it after a few weeks and while not starting over I do need to practice it again. If I know a song by memory I can play it really well and improvise. But sight reading slows it all down. Didn't have that problem with the sax as I only had to worry about the melody.
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#384886 - 02/20/14 05:18 PM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: Joesax]
brickboo Offline
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Registered: 02/04/01
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Loc: Fruita, Colorado, USA
Don you mention PDF in your post as if it is advantageous to use it instead of a word processor, or am I reading this wrong? Would ya explain, please?
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#384924 - 02/21/14 08:06 AM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: Joesax]
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Boo, by using PDF format you can have the music notes displayed, rather than just chords and lyrics. Lots of people have shared their Fakebooks or sheet music in this format and they are pretty easy to find on the internet. In fact some 6,000 were shared here today.
I'm not addressing the legality of sharing these files but they are there and apparently it's safe to download and use them. And, you can always make your own PDF files. Either way, you can display your songs on laptop, PC or tablet. I'm not an expert and don't routinely use them, but I'm sure there are lots here who do and can tell you more. It's way better than lugging books around.
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#384966 - 02/21/14 11:25 PM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 06/01/98
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I developed a great admiration for the clarinet. When I started playing guitar I listened to Charlie Christian who played electric jazz guitar with Benny Goodman. In the early 70s my Dad took me to see Benny Goodman live as he was still touring then. A wonderful clarinet player. What a band he had.


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#385085 - 02/23/14 03:14 PM Re: My Story-A Musical Life [Re: Joesax]
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Benny is one of my idols! He could swing with the best of them, or sit in with ANY traditional orchestra. GREAT player.
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