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#377387 - 12/07/13 10:01 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: deb]
tony mads usa Offline
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Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
Originally Posted By: deb
There are musicians and there are singers , I see a difference .
I know that some singers say my music instrument is my voice but
I do not agree .
A human voice is not an instrument .


Full Definition of INSTRUMENT
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: a device used to produce music; also : a singing voice
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a : a means whereby something is achieved, performed, or furthered
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#377432 - 12/08/13 02:24 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: tony mads usa]
deb Offline
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Registered: 07/07/01
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Loc: netherlands
Hi Tony ,

This could be a new thread with the title
"Is a singer a Musician ? "

I will start it today .

Thanks for your good message .

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#377451 - 12/08/13 07:26 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: deb]
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Registered: 12/02/08
Posts: 167
Loc: Edmonton,Canada
Originally Posted By: deb
There are musicians and there are singers , I see a difference .
I know that some singers say my music instrument is my voice but
I do not agree .

A human voice is not an instrument .





Thank you for explaining your point of view. It has helped me to understand why you think audiences would find this reverse karaoke acceptable/entertaining.

I'm pretty sure if this was tried around here you would get booed off of the stage if the manager didn't fire you first.
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#377487 - 12/08/13 11:22 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: deb]
tony mads usa Offline
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Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
Originally Posted By: deb
Hi Tony ,
This could be a new thread with the title
"Is a singer a Musician ? "
I will start it today .
Thanks for your good message .


Deb ... perhaps you missed the part of the definition that INCLUDED the human voice as an "instrument" ?!?

Full Definition of INSTRUMENT
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: a device used to produce music; also : a singing voice
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a : a means whereby something is achieved, performed, or furthered
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#377564 - 12/09/13 03:31 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: tony mads usa]
deb Offline
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Loc: netherlands
Hi Tony and Bigf41.1 ,

What is than in your opinion Instrumental Music ?
Does this include singers ?

Thanks again for being so friendly and polite !
I totally did not expect this question should lead
to so much problems .


Edited by deb (12/09/13 03:35 AM)

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#377593 - 12/09/13 09:37 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: deb]
tony mads usa Offline
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Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
deb ... I guess I too subscribe to the general thinking that 'instrumental' music does NOT include 'vocals', BUT I do believe that the human voice is an instrument through which the vocalist delivers a song - much like an instrumentalist does with an instrument - ...
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#377596 - 12/09/13 10:09 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: deb]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
But then again, there are those that can use their vocals in mysterious ways. wink

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#377652 - 12/10/13 01:25 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: travlin'easy]
deb Offline
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Registered: 07/07/01
Posts: 116
Loc: netherlands
Hi Tony ,

Thanks again for giving your vision in a decent way .
I do respect your vision .

Hi Travlin'easy ,

This is a very great example of how a human voice could be
used . Thanks for sharing this video .

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#377804 - 12/11/13 03:48 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: deb]
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
I think that you need to TRY doing this, deb, then let us know how the audience takes hearing a singer, but not seeing one.

All I can say is, singers have been ruling the roost for thousands of years, I see very little chance this is going to change. Part of singing is COMMUNICATING with your audience... Singers do a great job of conveying emotion and energy, not just by their voice, but by their stage manner, their audience contact, by their expression and personality. Take all of that away, and just leave the recording, what have you got?

A DJ.

You see, the truth of the matter is, there aren't bars all over the world where people go to play music along with taped singers. There are bars where SINGERS go to sing along with taped MUSIC! It's called karaoke. Maybe you've heard of it?

Instead of this ridiculous theoretical idea, how about you go do it for REAL? Then come back and describe the disaster..!
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#377834 - 12/11/13 08:08 AM Re: The Musician strikes back Part 2 [Re: deb]
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Deb, I wish you all the best of luck with this idea/project. Sometimes it's concepts like this that lead to bigger and better things. I have learned long ago to keep an open mind regarding innovation of any kind.

Time will tell how this will evolve.

Some of the simpler uses would be for recording and rehearsal and/or for trying different accompaniments and also for learning to play behind the vocalist in different keys (the voice can be pitch shifted).

Hard to predict how it would be received in a live situation, but if the audience is properly prepared beforehand, it could be rather cool and unique.

Ian
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