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#375426 - 11/16/13 09:08 AM
Re: No more Voice Creator on Tyros5!!!
[Re: Hal2001]
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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That sounds good. Are you satisfied with the range of settings that you can alter? As John has said above, Hal, Voice Creator and Voice Set are two different birds. However, I personally have never used Voice Creator, and have relied on Voice Set for any edits I needed. Most times, you only need to change attack time, release time, decay, Filter (Harmonics), Brightness, and Voice Set does that admirably. The Tyros4 also came with a Voice Editing CD ROM, but I have yet to use it. It enables you to edit the Tyros4 Voices on your computer and create your original sounds. I didn't see this CD ROM in Tyros5's specs, but maybe it has yet to be finished? That is not to say Voice Creator isn't important, as it is a must have for some users, but, since I'm more of a switch on and play (with a fair bit of style editing) kind of player, it has never been needed. Ian
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#375442 - 11/16/13 01:24 PM
Re: No more Voice Creator on Tyros5!!!
[Re: mrdave]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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The voice set, when used in conjunction with the mixing console, can do everything the onboard Voice Creator program of the past did, and then some. Lets be realistic. Only a tiny fraction of arranger keyboard users would ever take the time to delve into Voice Creator and create their own, custom voices. In fact, I only know of one user other than myself on two forums that has actually done this. That said, it's a great feature, and I'm amazed that so few individuals have actually taken the time to modify/create their own, custom voices. Doing so can make a huge difference in the way right-hand leads are played and sound. Cheers, Gary
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#375445 - 11/16/13 01:54 PM
Re: No more Voice Creator on Tyros5!!!
[Re: mrdave]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Not that I know of Donny, but if I recall correctly, there are lessons on the PSR-Tutorial site that provide step by step instructions. Additionally, if you access the online reference manual, the very first chapter provides a wealth of information on adjusting and saving voices. Reference Manual S-950 Gary
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#375447 - 11/16/13 03:15 PM
Re: No more Voice Creator on Tyros5!!!
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 03/10/04
Posts: 1247
Loc: New York
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Gary,
With all due respect (and I mean that), you do not understand the power of the Tyros series over the PSR series. Voice Creator is the main feature that I and many others (not to mention the entire Asian, Arabic, African, Western European markets and every ethnic musician) relies on.
If you do not use Voice Creator (which IS NOT Voice Set), than I really can't think of ANY reason ANY person would spend the extra few thousand dollars when they could get an S950 that does almost everything else the Tyros can do.
There are limitless capabilities that people such as myself have been doing since the Tyros 2 - that are no longer possible on the actual keyboard in the Tyros 5. We're talking custom voices, Audio multipads (Yes, I've been using hundreds of Audio Multipads all the way since the T2), DJ loops, custom drum kits, and more.
Really, the people who are defending Yamaha on this think that everybody uses the Tyros as plug and play. If you want plug and play you don't need more than the S950.
Please don't make blanket statements that "The Voice Set when used in conjunction with the mixing console, can do everything the onboard Voice Creator program of the past did, and then some" which is utter Bullshit. Utter. Bull. Shit. They have NOTHING in common!! (People, that was a word for word quote!) And that only one other person besides yourself uses it, which again is more of the same. Anybody who does anything other than USA or Western music is heavily using the Voice Creator function.
I really feel that anybody who spreads falsehoods (even inadvertently such as yourself), is harming the wider community, because Yamaha has the habit of denying problems exist. When I reported the 4 bugs in the Tyros 4, Yamaha consistently denied they were problems until my YouTube videos about them got over 100,000 (!!) hits. And then suddenly - after months of denials - they called me for more info and released two updates to fix them.
Let's not let that happen again.
Edited by chony (11/16/13 03:24 PM)
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#375449 - 11/16/13 03:28 PM
Re: No more Voice Creator on Tyros5!!!
[Re: mrdave]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Chony, I've never used the Voice Creator on any keyboard other than the PSR series. And, while I have played many ethnic songs, I've never felt the need to create ethnic voices other than make modifications to those that came with the keyboard. I realize that you travel the country doing ethnic events, and for someone in your shoes, it may be somewhat of a necessity, but for the vast majority of performers, that's obviously not the case. So, for the most part, the onboard voice settings program in conjunction with the Mixing Console seems to be more than adequate. And yes, the S-950 is all that I, personally, really need for my performances. Hopefully, for those individuals in your situation, Yamaha provides a great software alternative that will suit your needs. Good Luck, Gary
Edited by travlin'easy (11/16/13 03:29 PM)
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