Hi Rikki,

Unfortunately I have problems with my personal internet & I cannot upload anything.

However, if you go here and look at pages 147 to 155, you'll see what audio parts are available for styles to the standard non AJAMSONIC Audya.

If AJ reads this, I rally hope that he will post new tables including the new audio loops that comes with his AJAMDSONIC upgrade. There are thoudsands of them over and above the standard ones as listed above.

Page 69 to 76 describes how to insert these into any existing style, whether standard midi or audio style.

Kind regards,

Henni

Hi Henni

Oh, an extended loop player ;-)
What about editing at note level, e.g. removing notes, changing volume etc. ?

Jørgen

Hi Jørgen,

The audio loop playing ability is what makes the Audya so unique and hence the name.

Currently, to my knowledge at least, micro midi editing is not available direct on the Audya. Because I never get involved at that specific level, I cannot accurately state what is available & what not in this regard.

However, the above link to the full manual should answer your question in detail. I'm also hoping that AJ will read & contribute over here soon as he is technically completely up to speed on the Audya.

Remember, the Audya is an audio playing arranger that also allows the use of purely midi only styles. I think the developers designed it for a complete new application whilst still maintaining some of the old. It might very well be that micro midi editing is planned as a future OS update for all I know...


Here is the update on what AJ is working on right now: (it just keeps on getting better)

It's not yet complete. However we have completed some of the Super Styles demos that will come with it (Demos 22, 23, 24, 25 ...etc) on www.AjamSonic.com. You'll need good speakers/headphones to really appriciate these!

These are a totally 'new' bread of styles with realism yet to be heard in an Arranger keyboard and due to the complex programming involved (16-32 measures long, programed in Major, Minor and 7th tonality which means for each variation, you hear something slighty different [with Audio Drums, Bass or Guitars] when you play a major, minor or 7th chord) ... etc), these styles no longer sound like an Arranger and that was our goal! Taking it to the next level. Many manufacturers have the capability to program styles in different tonalities and have the style 'breath' but very few (if any) use it and styles programmed in 4 measures just can't cut it!

* Loops are now 16 ~ 32 measures long.

* Audio Drums are now a fusio of AUDIO (effects and drum kit minus Kick drum) and Midi (Kick and toms - since Audya still has some of the best in this category). This also ensures there is no 'drag' or laps in timing - as you can now hear!

* Stereo Audio Drums:- Very important. Listen to how during the fills or breaks, the sounds 'roll' from one speaker to another. The idea was to imagine 'you' infront of the drummer. Although the kick/bass drum is right in front of you, every other instrument he plays is either left, hard left, right or hard right - so we re-created this field too and my do they sound great!


Keep well my friend,

Henni

Hi Henni,
had a read thru.
From what I could work out, what a brilliant function.

The closest I've seen to that type of function was on the Technics keyboards, only midi phrases of course , not audio.
You basically scrolled thru, the various types of phrases for each of the style tracks & put your style together that way.
"Dial a Style" haahaa
From memory , I think it only worked for the 4 variations, not fills. I really miss that function.

Even though I can copy style tracks from one style to another, how much easier would it be to be able to scroll thru some sort of a database & audition the tracks I want replaced.

thanks Henni, been fascinating, certainly wasn't aware the audya had this type of function.

You've got me thinking , might have to get out my EMC Style Factory software again, closest thing I've got to a phrase database.

[quote=Henni]Hi Rikki,

rikkisbears and all,

You've got it. "Dial a Style" is equivalent to Ketron's Audio Style modelling, however unlike what the name suggests, the modelling is not limited to Audio, so probably "Audio and Midi phrase data bass" would have been more appropriate.

* Select a style (e.g Salsa)
* Go into STYLE VIEW (which displays all the components of the current style (Drums, bass, guitars, strings ... etc).
* Select F1 (DRUMS) and turn data wheel to scroll through MIDI drums bass. Press F1 again to go to GROOVES drum bass. Press F1 again and go through AUDIO DRUMS LOOPS (8 measures long or if you have the AJAMSONIC, 32 measures long). You can have BOTH the Midi and AUDIO drums playing in sync (so you can actually go to the Midi Drum parts and MUTE say the Kick, snare and hi hats but leave the percussion) and have the AUDIO Drums cover the drum parts! AjamSonic adds over 1500 more!
* Select F2 for Percussion track and repeat above (as for drums).
* Select F3 for BASS and do the same. The bank consist of bass lines from other styles plus those of previous Ketron libraries too. AjamSonic adds even more!
* Select F6-F10 and repeat for the Chords 1-5. Now here it gets interesting because you can press F4 twice (Chord4) and toggle between Midi bank parts or Arpeggios - or in the Ajamsonic version even more Professional studio quality Aprs like those found in today's workstations. If you press F5 twice (Chord5), you can toggle and scroll through either Midi parts or AUDIO guitar banks - or in the Ajamsonic version even more Guitar parts, PLUS you can use the AJAMSONIC voices to replace the current MIDI voices and these add nuances to the style parts automatically (similar to SA voices on Yamaha products) such as brass thrills, sax valves and breath ... etc. Check out demos of these at www.AjamSonic.com (the SUPER STYLES [soon to be released - which are Demos 22, 23 ...etc] will also shed some light on the new Audio Drums and Bass!). The banks for all Drums, Bass and Chord parts are not limited to only style parts but also contain other phrases KETRON added exclusively for AUDYA!

To add injury to this degree of flexibility, you can pick a phrase and select a new voice for it by simply going to the Preset voices and selecting a new one (so you could have picked a Nylon Guitar phrase but then change the Guitarist's instrument to say a Pedal Steel Guitar or Strings)! The same phrase is played ... just now with the new instrument!

So what does this mean? You can take the SALSA above, and to chord 1 in variation A, change the current Piano to say the horns from the Big Band style. If GLOBAL (U5/10) is on, this change impacts all Arranger parts (A-D) or if doing fills or breaks, all Fills/Breaks (1-4) or all Endings (1-3) at once. If set to SINGLE, only the current part is edited (e.g only Arranger A). Now for Chord 3, change the current Midi trumpet line to the Midi guitar line from another style within the bank and for chord 5, replace the Midi Guitar strum with an AUDIO Guitar strum from a Country style. See where this is going? As for the drums, I can now take out the current drums and replace with the Audio Drums from a Son or Bachata or ... - endless combination and permutations here! With the AjamSonic upgrade, you can also assign Arps to ALL chord parts (not just Chord4).

* When done, save and you have the option to save with a new name (you just created a new style so the one you've been working on remains unchanged) or leave name unchanged (over-write old style if it was a USER STYLE). Style gets stored in HD (SSD - if new AjamSonic is installed).

The AJAMSONIC upgrade now offers a 120GB SSD (yes, Solid State Drive) which makes access to this huge database an even faster breeze. Ignoring shock to the keyboard as there is no more 'fragile' Hard Disk, you can now travel more with assurance that when you power on your AUDYA, that disk WILL WORK! Plus with the module version in particular (AUDYA 4), you need not worry about what angle it is (HD are limited to a 10 degree incline for ultimate performance). More information on this at www.AjamSonic.com

Hope this better explained it. Editing the actual AUDIO file itself in details is limited but basic modifications such as EQ (low and high), slicing and setting loop point (using internal SAMPLER) ...etc can be done on the AUDYA. Of course most would have prepared the AUDIO Drums at a professional studio (or using software like Protools) where everything would have been edited prior to installing in AUDYA, but hopefully someday, we'll please most of the people most of the time :-)

Thanks.

Hi AJ,
well, to me that sounds like a brilliant function, wish I had it on my keyboard, I'd be happy to have that type of function, even if it was only midi phrases.
Such a great way of putting a style together, especially for someone like me, who doesn't quite know what they want, till they hear it.

"Dial a Style" is a name I made up, I think the actual function on the technics keyboards was called Easy Composer.
You're welcome to use it, to me it sort of describes it pretty well. haahaa

[quote=Ketron_AJ]rikkisbears and all,

You've got it. "Dial a Style" is equivalent to Ketron's Audio Style modelling, however unlike what the name suggests, the modelling is not limited to Audio, so probably "Audio and Midi phrase data bass" would have been more appropriate.

Hi all,

I made a short demo to illustrate & verify all I stated above. Read all about it & listen to it here.

I always put my money where my mouth is. Now, I'm not even close to being a pro musician like ie. Diki, Fran, Don, Gary & most of the rest of you. If I can do this, just think what can be achieved with the Audya in the hands of the likes of most of you...

Keep well all,

Henni

Henni,

I'm not a pro musician - I'm an entertainer.

Gary

Henni nice comparisons.....the Audya clearly sounds terrific in the demos

I agree...

Potentially, the only problem with the Audya is, if a style has a groove or kicks that no Audya pattern covers (audio pattern, that is), you have to substitute something that starts to take away from the groove.

I do not know if the Audya deals with audio loops by time stretching them, or whether they are sliced into each and every transient, then a MIDI file plays it back (if each 'slice' is given a separate note to trigger it) with a bit of time stretching on the tail of the individual slices for when the loop is played slower than original. Maybe AJ could help me here?

The thing is, IF the Audya uses this last system (this is basically how you do it in ReCycle, which was the software that got the whole loop manipulation thing started back in the mid-90's), if you have access to the sequence that plays back the loop slices, then you CAN reorder kicks and snares, etc, and change the 'swing' value and groove templates around. All it is is basically moving some MIDI notes around.

But if the loop is merely time-stretched into new tempi, you can't do this.

Of course, doing this (if it can be done) also revolves around software that makes it reasonable easy to do, or few will attempt it. But it strikes me as this is the answer to being able to use audio loops, AND still get a fair degree of flexibility from them...