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#365039 - 04/16/13 10:44 AM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
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#365041 - 04/16/13 10:56 AM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
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Hi DNJ Think of Windows 8 as a Windows Phone that includes an App to run it in Desktop Mode. The main change when you go into the desktop is the removal of the start button, which along with other changes makes moving from an earlier OS to Windows 8 more difficult than it needs to be. If you can’t get on with Windows 8, there is a free program called Classic Shell which adds the Start Button so you can use it more like an older OS, (You can choose XP, Vista or Windows 7 menus) although I would try and get used to the way Windows 8 works as it seems this is the way all future Windows OS will go. Some users have had problems running some of their older software on Windows 8 but most will work in compatibility mode, (It’s also been improved with updates since launch) also there are ways to run XP in a virtual environment just like the Virtual XP that can be downloaded for Windows 7. You can do a Windows 8 test on your current software and hardware by using the Windows upgrade assistant which should show up if there will be any problems, and also (If available) how to fix the problems. Hope this helps Bill
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#365049 - 04/16/13 11:33 AM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
[Re: Dnj]
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Windows XP was good in its day but is not a patch on Windows 7, (Avoid Windows Vista at all costs as it is a complete and total disaster) also Support for XP ceases next year, so there will be no more updates and security patches for it.
If I were buying a new computer I would go for Windows 8 Professional as it can only get better. (I ran the Beta software versions of Windows 8 and initially was not impressed with it in comparison with Windows 7, however once I got used to the way it does things (Its highly customisable) I did start to like)
If you are running Windows 7 then I can’t see any reason to upgrade unless you have a touch screen, but if you’re buying a new one then Windows 8 is the way to go. (See my previous post for more details)
Hope this helps
Bill
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Tests have proven that Windows 7 is way ahead of XP when it comes to use with DAWs, (Pretty much every DAW manufacture ported there systems over to Windows 7 as soon as they could) and all of the tests so far seem to indicate that Windows 8 is even better. (Although it has not been out long enough for Pro Studios to commit just yet)
Edited by abacus (04/16/13 11:39 AM)
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#365055 - 04/16/13 12:25 PM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
[Re: tony mads usa]
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#365061 - 04/16/13 01:44 PM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
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Donny, You'll quickly discover, as I and many others did, that there will be a large number of older programs that will NOT be compatible with Windows 8. Same holds true for Windows 7, which I now use. Most of the recording software will not run, even in the legacy mode. Additionally, the older tax programs were not compatible, therefore, I had to do some fancy conversions at tax time - not a good thing. Stick with the XP - it works just fine and far fewer glitches, Gary 
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#365070 - 04/16/13 04:40 PM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
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Dennis, You can disagree all you wish. In my case I'm talking about practical experience. Just going from XP to 7, which I did not want to do, cost me a lot of time and money. I had to purchase a new version of Quicken, Quick Books, spent endless hours on the phone with Intuit's customer service department solving Turbo-Tax and Quicken problems, then I still could not use my time tested music programs. Yeah, right. They were not compatible with Windows-7 and would not load in the new PC. The only reason I purchased a NEW PC was because the previous tax and bookkeeping programs were no longer supported by Windows. My PC is not just for music - I run two businesses and the PC is used for a multitude of tasks, bookkeeping, billing, tax returns, and a host of other small business tasks. About twice a day, though, I log onto the Synthzone, PSR Tutorial and Sailnet sites. I usually find something interesting to read. Keep in mind that I've been working with computers since 1960, long before some members of this forum were born. I'm NOT computer illiterate, I am usually able to solve my problems without the aid of customer service, and my son is a computer programmer for one of the largest software companies in the nation. So, as Diki stated above, "Don't concentrate on the OS - Concentrate on what you want to DO with it." Beside the business aspect of the PC, I use the PC for learning new songs, downloading the lyrics, downloading tab sheets, and email. Currently, about 5 percent of my email comes from clients, the rest consisting mainly of joke forwards. I, personally, consider email one of the slowest, most expensive, least effective forms of communications on the planet. In the time it took to type this response, and I'm a relatively fast typist, I could have mixed a couple Margarettas. There's an old saying that I adhere to more often than not: "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it." Makes perfectly good sense to me. Gary
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#365073 - 04/16/13 05:43 PM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
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Dennis, You can disagree all you wish. In my case I'm talking about practical experience. Just going from XP to 7, which I did not want to do, cost me a lot of time and money. I had to purchase a new version of Quicken, Quick Books, spent endless hours on the phone with Intuit's customer service department solving Turbo-Tax and Quicken problems, then I still could not use my time tested music programs. Yeah, right. They were not compatible with Windows-7 and would not load in the new PC. The only reason I purchased a NEW PC was because the previous tax and bookkeeping programs were no longer supported by Windows. My PC is not just for music - I run two businesses and the PC is used for a multitude of tasks, bookkeeping, billing, tax returns, and a host of other small business tasks. About twice a day, though, I log onto the Synthzone, PSR Tutorial and Sailnet sites. I usually find something interesting to read. Keep in mind that I've been working with computers since 1960, long before some members of this forum were born. I'm NOT computer illiterate, I am usually able to solve my problems without the aid of customer service, and my son is a computer programmer for one of the largest software companies in the nation. So, as Diki stated above, "Don't concentrate on the OS - Concentrate on what you want to DO with it." Beside the business aspect of the PC, I use the PC for learning new songs, downloading the lyrics, downloading tab sheets, and email. Currently, about 5 percent of my email comes from clients, the rest consisting mainly of joke forwards. I, personally, consider email one of the slowest, most expensive, least effective forms of communications on the planet. In the time it took to type this response, and I'm a relatively fast typist, I could have mixed a couple Margarettas. There's an old saying that I adhere to more often than not: "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it." Makes perfectly good sense to me. Gary Whatever  Just about everyones son or cousin or third cousins uncles auntie is some sort of expert on something...does not always make them correct 
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#365094 - 04/17/13 06:34 AM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
[Re: Dnj]
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Tony, I was working at NASA Greenbelt, MD at the time and the computer took up an entire room about 100 X 200 feet. It was made by IBM, and ran on huge vacuum tubes that were water cooled. I don't remember the model number, but IBM 7090 comes to mind. Gary
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#365096 - 04/17/13 06:50 AM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
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"Just about everyones son or cousin or third cousins uncles auntie is some sort of expert on something...does not always make them correct."Lets see now, Dennis. I should rely on what someone that I never met, and really know nothing about to solve my PC problems? NAH! I'll stick with my son, John who does this stuff for a living, every day of the week, and during his spare time created some of the most incredible computer games on the Internet. Gary
Edited by travlin'easy (04/17/13 06:54 AM)
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#365112 - 04/17/13 04:06 PM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
[Re: Dnj]
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Thanks Tony, We have always been very proud of him, he has done some amazing things and has always been very creative. I've tried to play some of the games he created, but thus far, I've never been able to get beyond the second or third level. Ironically, he taught ME how to use a computer back with the Commodore 64 first became available. It was a very difficult transition from the NASA stuff to the Commodore 64, which could handle a multitude of tasks, had a variety of programs, all of which were stored on 5-1/4-inch floppy disks. What was really incredible was the computer only had a 64-Kilobyte memory, and it was pretty fast at processing. Cheers, Gary
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#365124 - 04/17/13 09:38 PM
Re: ot/market for a new computer XP now WIN8 ?. or?
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Thanks Tony, We have always been very proud of him, he has done some amazing things and has always been very creative. I've tried to play some of the games he created, but thus far, I've never been able to get beyond the second or third level. Ironically, he taught ME how to use a computer back with the Commodore 64 first became available. It was a very difficult transition from the NASA stuff to the Commodore 64, which could handle a multitude of tasks, had a variety of programs, all of which were stored on 5-1/4-inch floppy disks. What was really incredible was the computer only had a 64-Kilobyte memory, and it was pretty fast at processing. Cheers, Gary John sounds like my sorta guy. I started my career programming creating commercial C64 games. I have programmed games on almost every game console since then. His advice will certainly be invaluable in making your choice. I remember writing games with 1000+ screens that were able to fit into just 64KB of memory. It took some very careful data encoding to be able to do that back then. I even wrote Commodore 64 MIDI software back then to edit patches for the DX7.
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but WIN 8 is on most units in stores ?. what are your thoughts on Win 8 or another suggestions ....or? 
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