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#349981 - 08/30/12 09:41 AM Module with good strings
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Hi Folks

Any suggestions for a sound module with good stings.

What's the Ketron SD2 and SD4 like in this dept.

Any other ideas?

Thanks

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#349985 - 08/30/12 11:40 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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#350002 - 08/30/12 04:40 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Dnj]
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Thanks Donny keys
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#350008 - 08/30/12 07:50 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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New module from Roland coming soon... Integra-7!

http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=integra-7
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#350009 - 08/30/12 08:39 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Super Natural sounds and the complete SRX library...WOW!!!

My guess it will be around $799 street price..Maybe Roland will surprise us and it will come in lower..

I didn't see specs, but I hope it has a GM2 map...and better yet a assignable GM map..
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#350010 - 08/30/12 08:46 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Here's the overview...

Flagship synth module with over 6,000 sounds built in
The latest SuperNATURAL sounds with enhanced Behavior Modeling technology for expressive acoustic instruments and accurate reproduction of performance articulations
Powerful SuperNATURAL synth engine with fat analog synth models and vintage filter types
Dynamic SuperNATURAL drum engine with natural tonal change derived from Roland V-Drums
Producer’s “must-have” SRX Expansion sound library built in; all 12 SRX titles included
Dedicated multi-effects and EQ for each part (16 parts), plus dedicated COMP+EQ (use six simultaneously) for drums and ambience parameters for SuperNATURAL drum kits
Innovative 17-part Motional Surround ambience engine for stereo, headphone, and 5.1-channel output
INTEGRA-7 Editor for iPad and Motional Surround VSTi Editor for SONAR software

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The drums of the V-Drums... An updated GM2 with new SFX with control. Since it has the new Motional Surround technology, my bet is it will MAP at a high $1499 price... or higher. If it's $799, I'll get one!!
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#350011 - 08/30/12 08:57 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: shueymusic]
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After watching the video..I think you are closer to the street price than my first guess..
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#350012 - 08/30/12 09:07 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Fran Carango]
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Fran,

Hope your guess about the pricing is true coz 799 is a steal for those 6000 high quality sounds
and much more... And even if its for 1499.. I think its still a deal...

And you mentioned GM2/GM map... is this needed for playing back roland arranger styles through this module without need for tweaking/editing ? Sorry for asking but I am a dummy when it comes to MIDI. crazy

Thanks and Regards,
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#350013 - 08/30/12 09:18 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Jez]
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Yes
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#350029 - 08/31/12 03:32 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Mockie... don't forget, there is an SRX Strings board that can go into your G70. I have the -06 Orchestral board, and it's quite good. The -04 strings one sounds great too.

Obviously, not as detailed and extensive as some of the VSTi's, but you ought to be able to pick one up for a couple of hundred bucks.

Listen to the demos here: http://www.rolandus.com/flash/demos/srx/srx_demo.html

Drag the SRX-04 board onto the keyboards slots...


Edited by Diki (08/31/12 03:36 AM)
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#350031 - 08/31/12 03:47 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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I have a feeling that that Integra-7 might be more than some of you think.

All 12 SRX boards? At $250 list a pop? And the SuperNatural stuff from the $3500 Jupiter-80? If this is only $1500 or so MAP, it will be the steal of the century!

Quote:
On the rear panel is an array of versatile connectors, including stereo XLR outputs, eight individual 1/4-inch phone outs, a digital (coaxial) output, MIDI in/out/thru, and a USB port that supports audio streaming at rates up to 24-bit/96 kHz. For convenience and flexibility, input jacks are provided on both the rear and front panels.


You honestly expect that for $1500? TBH, I'm guessing closer to the $2500 mark.

Mind you, a word of warning. Their have been V-Drum kits in Roland arrangers going back to the G70. Part of what makes them so live sounding!

Tell you what, though... it might make a GREAT module to use with vArranger!
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#350032 - 08/31/12 03:56 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: shueymusic]
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Originally Posted By: shueymusic
my bet is it will MAP at a high $1499 price... or higher. If it's $799, I'll get one!!


I've already got a Fantom G7 and a VP770 (Supernatural Brass) but this baby sounds really exciting. I want the Roland Vdrums to replace the sound module on my Alesis DM10 Pro Edrums. If it's $1.5k or under, I'm there. Anybody need a barely used SonicCell? Great for playing back GM/GM2.

Wow, this is the first thing to excite me in quite a while. Thanks for the heads up.

chas
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#350034 - 08/31/12 03:59 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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I noticed it said you can only load up 4 of the SRX boards simultaneously.

Where would we be without gotchas?!
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#350035 - 08/31/12 04:02 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Are you using the drums live, chas, or just at home?

If just at home, I would look more carefully at some of the VSTi drum libraries. BFD2, Superior Drums.... both of these are stunningly realistic, and there are expansion packs for both specializing in jazz drums and drum patterns.
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#350040 - 08/31/12 04:29 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Are you using the drums live, chas, or just at home?



Just at home for rehearsals (and recording). My drummer has a Roland TD7 and TD10 and doesn't think much of my Alesis, but will play it rather than bring over his own and having to set up. In any case, he's got it set up and tweaked to suit HIM, and since I don't play drums, I don't really care. He uses a scaled-down acoustic kit on the gig (what he calls his 'portable' rig).

Alesis was supposed to have 3rd party developers such as BFD do some kits that could be loaded onboard the DM10 but that hasn't happened. There is one available kit that's been developed (by somebody????) but I understand it's pretty lame. Besides, it replaces (rather than augments) the factory sounds, some of which are pretty desirable (some great special effects).

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#350042 - 08/31/12 04:42 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Diki]
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Yes Diki.. I just thought the same... the vArranger with this would be a blast !!!

And as regards the pricing I found one link which has a set a price of 1199 pounds :
Roland Integra at DV247
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#350047 - 08/31/12 07:02 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Originally , I thought this module was like the XV 2020 , thus my $799 thought..then after viewing the video, I realized it was closer to the 5080...I paid around $1,500 for my 5080...So I would imagine a street price between $1,500 and $2,000 is realistic...
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#350057 - 08/31/12 09:32 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Will the Integra-7 be the first introduction to this combination of sounds from the past and into the future? All 16 channels has their own FX and EQ. Would a workstation or a new arranger be in the works for 2013 from Roland?
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#350070 - 08/31/12 01:25 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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I have a concern...maybe the world economy is changing the direction Roland was heading...
Let me explain...
More than 3 years ago, I was told from a reliable source..that Roland planned on reducing the arranger line...till in fact they changed their manufacturing location in China, back to Europe..

It appeared that this info was accurate, the Prelude being the last Europe made arranger..

Now with the continued release of BK series (made in China), and this new module too (apparently made in China)...and the well made BA amp series......it looks like the move is postponed or they (Roland) changed their mind....

It doesn't seem like the problem (made in China) is quality of the products...but maybe the political view ...

Any way...It is very possible..Roland will be using this combo of SRX (superior sounds), and Super Natural....in their future line up....I hope so...and yes...I want the top of the line stuff...even at the extra weight.....No compromizes..76 semi weighted...the whole works...Roland has all the goodies already...just build the thing!!!!...Hopefully in Italy smile...better yet..Japan facility is hard to beat... wink
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#350081 - 08/31/12 03:37 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Roland have usually used an existing product as the engine for their arrangers. The G600/800/1000 were all based around the Sound Canvas line.

Then they got a bit weird, and the VA and G70/60/80 all seemed to be cobbled together from disparate sources. Then, when they moved downmarket, the Sonic Cell powered the Preludes and GW's (and I think much of the BK series).

Finally, Roland have a brand new module model, with brand new sound engines, and capabilities. The per Part EQ is not new, but an independent insert effect per Part surely is. Perhaps, now that the grunt work is done, Roland's arranger division can go to work adding the arranger hooks to this engine and deliver us something more upmarket without it costing them an arm and a leg R&D'ing the engine itself as WELL as the arranger features.

Personally, though, I am far more worried that Roland will take yet another opportunity to DROP the great features they had (and often invented) while introducing little new. RIP Chord Sequencer. RIP Mark/Jump buttons. RIP the Cover Tools. RIP the Drum Variation buttons (a way to take a drum Part, and reduce it from full drums down to just the basic kick pattern in 4 steps) and so on.

In the meantime, they stubbornly refuse to add Multipads and Break/Fills, standard features on just about every other arranger out there. SuperNatural is simply SA voices in a different dress, and they have a LONG way to go to make it the equal of SA2 or DNC.

Maybe the writing IS on the wall... Roland seem to do best at that BOTL market sector.
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#350094 - 08/31/12 08:01 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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What do you actually want to do with these string sounds?


Edited by Dnj (08/31/12 08:18 PM)

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#350115 - 09/01/12 05:37 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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More details on the Integra -7 module on their website here:
Roland Integra -7


Edited by Jez (09/01/12 05:38 AM)
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#350117 - 09/01/12 06:27 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Mockie,
Sorry this topic is going North towards the Roland's Integra-7
Coming back to the strings in a module, if you could find a used Roland xv 5080
it would still make the cut for rich orchestral string sounds. Or even the used Motif series racks have great string sounds.

For software, the list is huge with many offerings like those from east west quantum leap, ik multimedia, native instruments etc.

Good luck in your search !!
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#350150 - 09/01/12 04:33 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
What do you actually want to do with these string sounds?


I want to add strings to some recordings I've made with my

accordion. Well Donny I have a G70 and a BK7 module and I like

them a lot but they don't have the nice "silky" sounding

strings which I got from my Solton M40 in the past. I am curious

as to what the SD2 and SD4 strings sound like, I could not find

any demos on Youtube

Frank
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#350165 - 09/02/12 03:34 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Diki]
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Mockie... don't forget, there is an SRX Strings board that can go into your G70. I have the -06 Orchestral board, and it's quite good. The -04 strings one sounds great too.

Obviously, not as detailed and extensive as some of the VSTi's, but you ought to be able to pick one up for a couple of hundred bucks.

Listen to the demos here: http://www.rolandus.com/flash/demos/srx/srx_demo.html

Drag the SRX-04 board onto the keyboards slots...


Just in case you missed it... VERY silky strings. Probably your least expensive solution, IMO.
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#350179 - 09/02/12 08:14 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Mockie good luck with your project...I for one would like to hear the finished product here also.....

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#350189 - 09/02/12 01:22 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Originally Posted By: Diki
Mockie...


Just in case you missed it... VERY silky strings. Probably your least expensive solution, IMO.


You are probably right Diki, at present I have an SRX7 board in that slot which I use all the time.

Does anyone have any comment to make on the latest Ketron modules regarding their strings ?

Frank
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#350217 - 09/02/12 11:52 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Mockie, I use the -07 in my gigging keyboard, too. But replacing them is a snap at home, and if this is for a recording project, you have sufficient time to do that and get the -07 card back in for gigging.

Alternatively, you can look around for a cheap Roland JV1010 which has one SRX slot and can be got for $200 or less.
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#350253 - 09/03/12 12:24 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Diki]
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Thanks Diki, I will bear that in mind.

This Integra 7 has upset the lot of us, it's a serious piece of gear.

Frank
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#350255 - 09/03/12 01:06 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Mockie, I use the -07 in my gigging keyboard, too. But replacing them is a snap at home, and if this is for a recording project, you have sufficient time to do that and get the -07 card back in for gigging.

Alternatively, you can look around for a cheap Roland JV1010 which has one SRX slot and can be got for $200 or less.





Diki, I need to correct you on your info....The JV1010 only uses a single SR-JV80 expansion board...where as the XV 2020 uses two SRX expansion boards...
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#350261 - 09/03/12 02:34 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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My mistake.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roland-XV-2020-O...=item3a7942c5f5

I'd jump all over this... IF you really need a separate module for the SRX cards. I still haven't heard whether this is for live gigging or just recording at home (where the SRX board in the G70 is still your best bet, IMO)

EDIT.... oops! just noticed this is Hungary. Red flag! But as long as you don't need one immediately, it might be worth waiting for a domestic one to come on the market.


Edited by Diki (09/03/12 02:36 PM)
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#350306 - 09/04/12 02:43 AM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Fran Carango]
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Finally ( I think?)I've got the string sound I want.

BRIGHT STRINGS 2 in the BK7 module afterall.

I want to use it on Stranger on the shore (Acker Bilk style)

My sax player does a nice job on this and I worked out a

string arrangement based on the original version.

I will be using Midi accordion for this with the BK7.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys

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#350354 - 09/04/12 01:42 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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If you ever want to silk up your strings a hair more, layering a smooth synth string patch in the background can go a long way to making it lush.

Try shortening the release of the string sound a hair (so you can do short runs without too much smear), but lengthen the release of the string synth patch a hair (depending on how long it is already) to smooth out the gaps. It's an old trick, but still effective...


Edited by Diki (09/04/12 01:42 PM)
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#350361 - 09/04/12 02:32 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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Here is "Stranger on the shore"..I recorded on the BK5 using the Wav recorder, and than converted to MP3..

I used your String 2 patch, and the New brush perc drums...


Attachments
Stranger on the shore.mp3 (24 downloads)

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#350370 - 09/04/12 03:48 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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I guess that's an SMF, right, Fran?

It sure could do with some Makeup Tools. Me, I'd turn down the velocity and volume on that closed hi-hat, and maybe EQ some highs from it. It sticks out like a sore thumb!

TBH, I'm not particularly impressed with that SMF except perhaps the clarinet performance. The string voicings are stodgy and dark, the bass line seems incorrect (at least to my memory of Acker Bilk's version), there seem to be no dynamics.

I am sure the BK could be Makeup Tooled to sound MUCH better than this... But major surgery seems needed for it to get to the next level.
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#350372 - 09/04/12 03:53 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Fran Carango]
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Very tasty Fran, nice strings sound.

What style did you use on the BK5, do I have that on the BK7?

If I were you I would hold onto the BK5,a lot of money is lost

chopping and changing keyboards, I was that soldier.

Frank
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#350375 - 09/04/12 04:10 PM Re: Module with good strings [Re: Mockie]
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I have to agree with Diki on this one...I found the balance was poor, and since I spent some time on the BK-5 whilst on a road trip a few weeks ago, I know it can sound a whole lot better.

I only tried it in style play mode, and I thought the accompaniments were very nice indeed, with a tad more detail than even the G-70.

The only sounds I found a little disappointing were some of the organ sounds...the rest were very nice.

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