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#348710 - 08/08/12 12:27 PM Korg MicroArranger for Sale
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Korg Micro Arranger in new condition. The keyboard is filled with well over 90 songs set-ups with song titles ready to play. (Good for nursing homes)

I made a case which doubles as carrying case and Laptop holder. The case can be placed on top of a table or an “X” stand with the keyboard in it. There is a slot in the back to slide a laptop computer in the rear. 85% of the computer is inside the case so it is stable.

I use a wireless mouse to select songs with the same number setup in the keyboard. I also have a $40 soft carrying case I never used; it was bought from Amazon.
Asking $395

John C.


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#349029 - 08/13/12 04:36 AM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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The KMA is sold.

Thank you, John C.

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#349083 - 08/13/12 11:51 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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Hi John,
I'm seriously considering selling mine as well - I just cannot get comfortable with the operating system - so unfriendly compared to the KN7000..... I have given it what I consider to be a 'fair trial' over the past few months, but I just don't feel happy with it. It has some really good sounds and styles - it's just a shame that the operating system is so 'unfriendly'.

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#349085 - 08/14/12 02:15 AM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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I can't get my head around the OS either, but the sounds are so good that I use mine to compliment other keyboards.

Bernie
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#349116 - 08/14/12 05:01 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: Bernie9]
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Bernie, please don’t sell until I visit with you; If I had a Kn7000 the KMA would fill in where the Kn7 falls short. The OS on the KMA is different and it made me crazy until I stopped thinking Technics.

I feel that a Kn7 and a KMA make an excellent set up.

John C.

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#349117 - 08/14/12 05:05 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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Bernie, have you tried using Midi to connect both keyboards? From the Kn7 you trigger off the KMA and all it has to offer. (Style and sound wise)

People are constantly looking for new styles -- With the KMA you bought a boat load of new great styles.

John C.

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#349119 - 08/14/12 05:16 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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Boys!

Am I glad to hear you all agree that the operating system is 'unfriendly'. When I was at Pakefield last year, I remarked that I thought most of the modern keyboard's O.S. are far from 'User Friendly particularly the Tyros keyboards and there was a shocked silence for a moment, followed by a lot of protests at my remark. However, I still think that in view of the way technology has moved on these past few years, particularly in the 'User Friendly' area, I do not understand why the keyboard manufacturers haven't kept up with it. I agree the keyboards themselves have excellent programming facilities which when used properly are 'magic' but they are badly let down by the O.S. and the Manuals (if you can get one) which are often badly written and/or designed causing much confusion as a result people give up on them.

I have to admit that if it wasn't for friendly Forums such as this one, I would have gone back to an acoustic piano or organ, years ago. Through these Forums and the kindnes of it's members, I have learned so much for which, I shall be forever grateful.

Audrey

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#349120 - 08/14/12 05:18 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: Bill Norrie]
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Bill, one thought is to use the KMA as a sound module with styles and some really great sounds. Your left hand on the Kn7 triggers off the left hand of the KMA --- alla, something new. On the right hand you set up to Chanel/track 5 and the KMA to receive sound on the same Channel/track.

I used a 61 note Midi controller with my Kn7 – both instruments were set on the same channel/track so whatever my Kn7 selected in the 5th Channel/track would sound from the midi controller.

Back in the late 80’s I would midi my guitar; it was equipped with midi, to my keyboard. I was able to sing and strum my guitar and the keyboard followed.
Bill, move away from the OS and find a different use for your KMA it is a good keyboard; you will only be limited by your imagination. Think freely. I did that with my wife and almost got killed. (Grin)

Take care my friend, John C.

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#349121 - 08/14/12 05:37 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: Audrey Turner]
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Boys!

Am I glad to hear you all agree that the operating system is 'unfriendly'. When I was at Pakefield last year, I remarked that I thought most of the modern keyboard's O.S. are far from 'User Friendly particularly the Tyros keyboards and there was a shocked silence for a moment, followed by a lot of protests at my remark. However, I still think that in view of the way technology has moved on these past few years, particularly in the 'User Friendly' area, I do not understand why the keyboard manufacturers haven't kept up with it. I agree the keyboards themselves have excellent programming facilities which when used properly are 'magic' but they are badly let down by the O.S. and the Manuals (if you can get one) which are often badly written and/or designed causing much confusion as a result people give up on them.

I have to admit that if it wasn't for friendly Forums such as this one, I would have gone back to an acoustic piano or organ, years ago. Through these Forums and the kindnes of it's members, I have learned so much for which, I shall be forever grateful.

Audrey

Hi Audrey, you can always count on me to bring a different view – sorry.
I have owned Technics, Yamaha and Korg keyboards and the only way I succeeded with Yamaha and Korg was to clear my mind of how Technics’s worked. After the many years of dedication to Technics that was not an easy task. My age did not make it Any easier.

1-I would ask myself how can I do what I did on my Kn7 on the Tyros? Wrong question. The creator of the Tyros keyboard wants me to use the keyboard as he designed and not as Technics designed theirs. Wow, the Bible is saying the same thing.
2-How long did it take me to master the Technics Kn1000? And didn’t each new Technics model increase my knowledge of how to work the new keyboard?
3-Yamaha and Korg also have easy OS system. Each time I talk to a player who is going to a different make keyboard I would hear the same thing. “Boy this new keyboard is very friendly”.
4-With each new option on a keyboard comes another learning curve; and aren’t we all asking for more new options.

IMHO, John C.

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#349131 - 08/15/12 02:55 AM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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John

I never intended to sell my KMA. For the small amount paid, I get a lot of contrasting sounds and styles.

I took it to the band gig Monday with the Nord organ board. The combination was great. I didn't think that little thing could hold it's own-wrong. It cut through the mix wonderfully.

I have connected it to the KN7000 with Midi and triggered the the left hand as stated. It worked well after I chose the right setting on the KN7000.

I know the basics of playing styles and performances, and save to the user area. I still have to figure out how you got two banks of instruments for instant recall.

I saw you just sold your KMA, so didn't know if you could still help me.

I'll call you anyway.

Bernie
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#349136 - 08/15/12 04:01 AM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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Hi John,
Thanks for your comments - they are appreciated smile

I bought the Korg MA back in March this year, just out of interest and have been experimenting with it over the past 5 months. No matter how I try, I just cannot get comfortable with the OS. I even printed out the full manual, but as Audrey mentioned, like many other user manuals - including Technics - they are badly written and often do not explain fully how to achieve particular operations. A good example of the shortcomings of the KMA system : To load a completely new song set-up from an SD Card on the KN7000 takes as little as 3 or 4 button pushes and the new set-up is ready after a couple of seconds. On the KMA, you virtually have to 'jump through hoops' to achieve the same result......

I realise that every manufacturer has different ideas about how a keyboard should work, but I still maintain that the Technics range - going way back - have always been the most friendly and intuitive operating systems. When moving up through the 'Top of the Range' KNs, the OS remained essentially the same even as new facilities were added to the next model, so the learning curve was fairly minimal.

As far as connecting the KMA via MIDI to my KN7000 to allow the use of the KMA styles and sounds, that is not really of any interest to me. I much prefer to make my own styles in the KN7000, which are suited to a particular song/tune, rather than use the 'stock' 4 measure repeating styles, which get a bit boring after a while. I also frequently 'make' my own sounds as well to suit the song I'm playing, either starting from scratch using the excellent samples in the KN7000, or modifying an existing KN sound. The editing facilities within the KN7000 are just so comprehensive that the sky is the limit !! Trying to do a similar thing in the KMA and the Tyros is a bit of a nightmare.......

So, although I've had a bit of 'Fun' with the KMA - and I use the term loosely smile - I'm afraid it will be for sale in the very near future and I'll use the proceeds to buy something less frustrating - Like a few bottles of fine Malt Whiskey.......
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After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is Music.
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( especially when the music is played on a KN7000....)

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#349161 - 08/15/12 04:07 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: Bill Norrie]
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Bill - Couldn't have put it better myself.

John - I take it you are assuming I'm having trouble understanding the O.S. if that's the case you couldn't be more wrong. I just think there is too much 'button pushing' to achieve even the smallest result, plus I was under the impression the Tyros keyboards operated much the same as a computer - wrong again. When I copy/cut and paste anything on my computer, it is a faithful copy of the original, pasted anywhere I choose, whereas with the keyboard, you have to make sure it goes to the correct area (styles/regits etc.) and lord help you, if you use a third party style,or even change the icon, sometimes it wont paste at all. With the KN keyboards, you can modify and resave, or give it a new name, and all will be saved in the same Folder it was originally in, complete with the new changes. As you know, it can then be called up either by Folder, Alphabetical or Numerical - no messing about with going into the Songs/Styles/Registrations first before pressing the button that will actually bring up the tune and because of all the 'phuffing' about, I do not get the same pleasure playing my Tyros 4 that I do when playing the KN7000. So! for me, the KN7 is still "THE KING" of the keyboards.

Audrey

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#349186 - 08/16/12 04:35 AM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: Bill Norrie]
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Hi Bill,
In my excitement to share I forget we are not all going in the same direction. Since my early 20’s I have been playing and entertaining dancing crowds; my search has been for more drive, more drive to add excitement to the dancers I was playing for. My frustration with my Kn7 was because I wanted it to do more – more excitement, heavier drums different livelier styles.

Did I love my Kn7? I had three of them and became capable of getting into every part of the keyboard; it is and still is a fine keyboard.

After reading your reply to my post I fully agree with you. You bought a Tyros and now a KMA showing that you have an open mind. If I were Bill Norrie I would embrace that Kn7 because of your needs and knowledge of that keyboard that few of us have. The Kn7 is a tool and you have accomplished so much with this tool; I hope you have two of them.

I am slowly withdrawing from the entertainment field and the need for more drive is diminishing so my needs are changing. The Korg Pa800 is in in depth tool allowing the user to do so much but very soon so the more and the drive will not remain as my criteria. I will be looking for an instrument I can become one with, possibly an organ or an electric piano with some goodies. Just play for fun and enjoyment.

Take care, John C.

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#349188 - 08/16/12 05:34 AM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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Bill sorry but my mind wandered from your post to my personal emotions about keyboards.

The KMA was never made to do what a flagship keyboard can do. It is simple to use when understood, but not good for any in depth creating which is who you are. The manual must have been written someone on another planet; but there so many good people out there and nice tutorials that made the job easy. It is a fun machine and no more. Size, good sound, and good styles but no more.

I said this before; for my type of use the playing and performing, the KMA would be a keeper if I did not own a Pa800. I have been told by people like Rikki who does a lot of programing and at one time owned a Kn7 that the sequencer in the flagship models is easy and offers so much more than other keyboards. She is ready to walk me through whatever I need (A great gal) but my need is performing.

Up to date I have only done easy record. Recording; pads will be my next step. Most of the hype about Korg keyboards is coming from the Pro. Players – not good for everyone needs.
So----- KMA = Fun and is toy-like, no more. If it were not for the size it would have been sold a long time ago.

I betting that the Korg people made this keyboard for a dual purpose; the second reason was to create interest in their flagship models -- and that is what has happened.

Take care, John C.

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#349189 - 08/16/12 05:57 AM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: Audrey Turner]
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Audrey
“The KN7 is still "THE KING" of the keyboards”. I honor that, it is a great keyboard. My reason for sharing is not discredit the Kn7 in any way but to bring reality to what other keyboards are offering. Not everyone is willing to spend the time to learn a new OS and I do understand that.

My point is that the new keyboards offer so many new options; which many are looking for, but some are. And that the new keyboards have a OS which is easy when understood. It would not be logical to say that Yamaha made a keyboard that is not friendly to use.

The question: Why did I buy a Tyros1 and a tyros 2 and a Tyros 3 and sell every one of them – and then bought another Kn7000. Because I was expecting to use the Tyros in the same manner as I used the Kn7 after a period of six months. No logic in that. I am not sure when the Kn1000 came out but it was a long, long time ago. I have been growing in knowledge and ability in using Technics keyboards since then.

I now own a Korg which is the best for performing (my opinion) but the desire to go back to all the Kn7 has never left me, it is a very special keyboard. The Kn7 is gone because I do not believe I could ever do two keyboards that are so different justice; both would suffer.

As my needs change it would be nice to go home again.

John C.

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#349205 - 08/16/12 05:02 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: bruno123]
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John,

I hope you don't think I was "getting at you" I was just trying to explain how I feel about the KN7000 in comparison with other keyboards and from your post above, I'm guessing you feel much the same. The Tyros 4 is a great keyboard particularly with regard to ballads and smooches, but for rhythmic dances, I think the the KN7 has the 'edge' on anything else because the rhythms are sharp and clear which are a joy to dance to, unlike some other makes which can sound a bit 'fuzzy' at times, to say the least. That is why I love the KN7 because it makes you want to dance or at least tap your foot to its rhythms.

As you say, we have to look to the future which is exactly why I decided to get the Tyros 4 because it does offer a variety of functions which are not on the KN7 and is particularly good for 'parties/celebration' entertainment. At some of my 'gigs' we've had lots of laughs when using the vocal harmony. I'm sure you know what I mean.

Audrey


Edited by Audrey Turner (08/16/12 05:05 PM)

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#349655 - 08/24/12 03:17 PM Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale [Re: Audrey Turner]
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Audrey, you and I have hit many topics from different views over the past years and that’s just fine.

We do help make this place a bit more interesting. (smile)

John C.

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