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#337563 - 01/26/12 07:12 PM
Re: Scott Micro Arranger
[Re: Scottyee]
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Senior Member
Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Guys, I have changed my mind..I too, am keeping the Micro Arranger...I rather have the keyboard..than the money I spent more time with it today, sequencing and editing..more for fun than trying to accomplish anything .. I have organized SMF's, Jukebox, and personalized sounds and styles on it...and as Scott mentioned, we could gig with it....Originally I intended to use it for one hour shows, and also as a rehearsal instrument...It is ideal to keep on hand when DJ jobs come up...with quick access in a small footprint..It sounds good.. not great, but keeping in mind, the purpose ...I ....need it.. Now let me get on Ebay and cancel the auction..
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#337565 - 01/26/12 07:59 PM
Re: Scott Micro Arranger
[Re: Fran Carango]
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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Guys, I have changed my mind..I too, am keeping the Micro Arranger. Now let me get on Ebay and cancel the auction. Fran, realizing both you and Donny Pesce bought the KMA, and only a week later, both put it up for sale on eBay, and then quickly turned right around again to cancel your KMA eBay sale: Question 1: Does eBay charge a "cancellation fee" when you post an item for sale or auction, and then cancel the item offer? Question 2: will Donny now follow in your footsteps and "for the 2nd time in a week" cancel his KMA eBay sale "yet again"? the saga contines . . . or as Scarlet O'Hara said in GWW: "I'll think about that later, tomorrow's another day"
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#337568 - 01/26/12 08:12 PM
Re: Scott Micro Arranger
[Re: Scottyee]
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Senior Member
Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Question #1...No, you only pay for the insertion fee.. Question #2...How would anyone know what Donny will do... The Korg Micro is priced so cheap,,it is hard to not lose money selling on EBAY...about 13 percent..It is just like a restocking fee...and I hate to lose money on anything I would rather depreciate it, while using it.. Scott , sometime, I run a test on Ebay to see the market ..first hand, via hits and watchers..Also from questions asked....I try not to abuse this option, and most of the time, I eventually sell the item on Ebay...
Edited by Fran Carango (01/26/12 08:16 PM)
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#337574 - 01/26/12 08:22 PM
Re: Scott Micro Arranger
[Re: bruno123]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Edited by Dnj (01/26/12 08:22 PM)
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#337577 - 01/26/12 08:29 PM
Re: Scott Micro Arranger
[Re: Scottyee]
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Registered: 11/25/00
Posts: 1210
Loc: Queretaro, Mexico
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Hello Everyone...
Congrats on your MicroArranger.
To answer the question on how long are the styles, well, depends on how the style designer made it, keep in mind that any manufacturer does not use only one style designer, they use many, and also depends on the style genre of the music that is made for.
You can not impose a particular style measures-length, "like one size fits all" that wont work. Keep in mind, that could tamper with creativity not to mention to be true to the style to be emulated.
In some big band/Jazz styles, you can make a very long intros....but that is why most Mid size-newer arrangers have at least 3 Intros, from either count in or short, medium and Long.....that the ends are mirror the same way.
A benefit to have longer "loops" in a style, is to break the monotony, remember the first 1980's Yamaha PSR10 and PSR 20, or some early Casios? only one measure loop.....boring.
I hope this answer the question.
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mdorantes
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#337608 - 01/27/12 02:38 AM
Re: Scott Micro Arranger
[Re: bruno123]
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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To John, and those curious about Yamaha styles... Most of the styles on Tyros4 use 4 bar variations, with very few using 2, and quite a few using a mixture of 4 and 8 bars (mainly in Jazz/Gospel/Blues Styles), one of which, Bebop, uses all 16 bar variations. There are quite a few Movie Styles using 16 bars, and all the FreePlay Styles that I tried, use 32 bars/variation. It appears that Yamaha wisely uses the appropriate number of bars to: 1) Suit the genre of music...some music thrives on repetition, and some does not...hence the variety of lengths. 2) If a style works perfectly well with a 2 bar variation, it keeps the style's size small...therefore more styles can be present....however, this is used very sparingly on Tyros4...it has 500 on-board styles nonetheless. Personally, I have Korg styles that were converted for Yamaha...some are good, and most are bland (to my ears) as they do not use mega voices. This is where Yamaha styles really shine, in my opinion, and even 2 bar variations are superb. Most music has chord changes every 2 to 4 bars and in regular play, it is sometimes hard to judge if a 4 bar/8 bar variation is any better than a 2 bar. In regards to the KMA's small keys: I have a strong feeling that most jazz, classical, and serious piano/keyboard players will, and do, consider them toy like and will not use them to any great degree, and certainly not as a main instrument. There will be, as always, the odd exception. However, I can see the popularity on SZ, as most here who will use them, won't be playing a lot of chords in both hands (Donny's KMA demos bear this out to some degree, and again there will be the odd exception) and several will use them only to play, or play along with, SMF.. Those that need more real estate (room) can do as John Smies has been suggesting, and midi it up to a normal keyboard/controller. As far as the KMA's sound... it sounds exactly like the 10 year old Korg arranger technology it is based on...PA-50SD on line demos bear this out, and if you are pleased with the sounds/styles, as most are, it should be fine... personally, I found the Right Hand and solo voices very "old Korgian" and nowhere near what is being used on present day models...of course, we must remember the huge price difference/advantage. Having played on PSS mini-key arrangers made by Yamaha, and finding the whole experience very disappointing, I can't say I'd want to be playing a microArranger, except for a bit of fun, and not for long. It obviously has found a place in the hearts of many, and I applaud the genius at Korg, who was able to repackage 10-12 year old technology, and make a fair(hopefully) profit for the company, although a dealer would have to sell quite a few KMA to equal one PA3X (or PA-800, or Tyros or S910). Enjoy guys (and gals)...and happy playing. Think of me when you play a "little tune" ...and, please don't misconstrue my remarks as "sour grapes"...I believe everyone should use what meets and satisfies their needs in a keyboard instrument/arranger, and believe me, if Yamaha was making something similar (especially based on 10 year old tech), my criticisms (and praises) would be mostly the same. Ian
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Yamaha Tyros4, Yamaha MS-60S Powered Monitors(2), Yamaha CS-01, Yamaha TQ-5, Yamaha PSR-S775.
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#337611 - 01/27/12 02:47 AM
Re: Scott Micro Arranger
[Re: bruno123]
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5507
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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I have spent some time now on my KMA and am having the time of my life making this little gem to my liking. I took it out on my show on Wednesday. I had it paired with my Nord Electro with a simple midi connection and styles controlled by both keyboards. The people just loved it.
I have just received John Smies CD,sounds, and really great styles with registration(performances). Some of these just blew me away. More on that later.
Don't sell your KMA
Bernie
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pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#337621 - 01/27/12 04:33 AM
Re: Scott Micro Arranger
[Re: bruno123]
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5507
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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John
It was not any hassle, really. If I had had any previous Korg knowledge you would not have had to walk me through step by step.
It is nice to know that you are always right there to help, as you have so cheerfully demonstrated. Thanks
Bernie
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pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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