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#334347 - 12/10/11 01:37 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
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#334349 - 12/10/11 02:47 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
That's pretty cool Dave...a keyboard that delivers itself! Now, if it can also get to the gigs on it's own, we will definitely have a winner, and Yamaha, Ketron and Roland will be scrambling to add such a neat feature to their arrangers. Seriously, congratulations on your new gigging tool (even if you still have to lug it around), and have a very Merry Christmas Ian
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#334357 - 12/11/11 02:01 AM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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So far ... I love it. It's built solid, looks fantastic and feels wonderful. I still have to address the monitoring situation, as I doubt that I'm a PAas candidate, but I'm taking my time on that decision. The key feel on the 76 key model is really great - I haven't tried the 61, but if they are the same ... I might be returning this one. I don't need the internal hard drive or motorized tilt screen, so I'd rather cut down on size and weight.....more about that later. I have a job tonight that will likely be my last with the s910, so if anyone wants a cherry piece with a great soft case and better than full warrentee .... check the "for sale" section.
I'll have more time to fiddle with this tomorrow and I'll report back, but so far - my initial reaction is very favorable. It's soooooo sexy and sleek. UD, How can you do that, buy a KB from the shop and then if you don't think it's just what you want take it back, are your dealers numpties, in the UK we go in the shop, play it and then take it away, deal done. What happens if you damge it on your first gig?? UD just take your time about keeping it, we can all wait.
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#334370 - 12/11/11 01:56 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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UD Congrats. That was my second choice when I got the Audya. A fine machine to be sure. Bernie
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#334374 - 12/11/11 04:20 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Tony Hughes]
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So far ... I love it. It's built solid, looks fantastic and feels wonderful. I still have to address the monitoring situation, as I doubt that I'm a PAas candidate, but I'm taking my time on that decision. The key feel on the 76 key model is really great - I haven't tried the 61, but if they are the same ... I might be returning this one. I don't need the internal hard drive or motorized tilt screen, so I'd rather cut down on size and weight.....more about that later. I have a job tonight that will likely be my last with the s910, so if anyone wants a cherry piece with a great soft case and better than full warrentee .... check the "for sale" section.
I'll have more time to fiddle with this tomorrow and I'll report back, but so far - my initial reaction is very favorable. It's soooooo sexy and sleek. UD, How can you do that, buy a KB from the shop and then if you don't think it's just what you want take it back, are your dealers numpties, in the UK we go in the shop, play it and then take it away, deal done. What happens if you damge it on your first gig?? UD just take your time about keeping it, we can all wait. Tony ... have you NEVER returned an item after you have brought it home and tried it out??? ... Dave did not say he was using the new KB on a gig, and I'm SURE that if the unit was damaged in any way he would not be returning it ... BTW ... this is what full warrantees and guarantees are all about - "If for ANY REASON you do not like it, take it back" ...
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#334379 - 12/11/11 07:53 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 12/01/99
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YIKES! 1st major anomaly detected .... I'm perfectly willing to read the manual, but I haven't yet, and I found a VERY annoying paradigm that I hope is adjustable. When using the drums without accompaniment, and playing right hand piano and left hand bass .... all is well UNTIL you trigger an ending pattern - it shuts OFF the left hand! Hmmmmmmm...... anyone ever hear of this? I am playing real time sounds, and I can't afford to have the drummer chase the bass player out of the room before we end the tune! C'mon Korg ..... what gives? Is that even practical in a typical arranger style of play??? (I'm almost positive this can be avoided, but I need to study further.) Comparing to Yamaha - the intros and endings are similar in approach, but the Korg gives the option of triggering any of the 4 fill3 while staying on the A-B-C-D section of the arrangement. You have the option of triggering with the variation button, or a dedicated fill button. The lyrics and score window is a bit more labored than the Yamaha, but again, to be fair - I haven't read much of the book - maybe there are adjustable parameters that I need to find. For now - I LOVE the sound, I LOVE the feel, and I LOVE the layout. The drums are so real sounding ( as Korg usually is, but even MORE so ) If I find a perfect=fit case I won't even mind the extra few keys that much. The unit is just under 47" long but only 14" deep - most 76 key cases are over 50" x 18". Way too sloppy and wasteful for me. I'll check back again, but I have no more playtime tonight - it's a school night. yawn ........ ...and Tony - the dealer offers a return policy. It's standard practice with most on-line companies I deal with... in fact ALL of them, so far.
Edited by Uncle Dave (12/11/11 07:54 PM)
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#334388 - 12/12/11 05:43 AM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: tony mads usa]
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So far ... I love it. It's built solid, looks fantastic and feels wonderful. I still have to address the monitoring situation, as I doubt that I'm a PAas candidate, but I'm taking my time on that decision. The key feel on the 76 key model is really great - I haven't tried the 61, but if they are the same ... I might be returning this one. I don't need the internal hard drive or motorized tilt screen, so I'd rather cut down on size and weight.....more about that later. I have a job tonight that will likely be my last with the s910, so if anyone wants a cherry piece with a great soft case and better than full warrentee .... check the "for sale" section.
I'll have more time to fiddle with this tomorrow and I'll report back, but so far - my initial reaction is very favorable. It's soooooo sexy and sleek. UD, How can you do that, buy a KB from the shop and then if you don't think it's just what you want take it back, are your dealers numpties, in the UK we go in the shop, play it and then take it away, deal done. What happens if you damge it on your first gig?? UD just take your time about keeping it, we can all wait. Tony ... have you NEVER returned an item after you have brought it home and tried it out??? ... Dave did not say he was using the new KB on a gig, and I'm SURE that if the unit was damaged in any way he would not be returning it ... BTW ... this is what full warrantees and guarantees are all about - "If for ANY REASON you do not like it, take it back" ... Sounds like its different in the USA, here in the UK if the box is open, then no one would buy it as new, not even a shop demo model, a shop demo with an opened box would be discounted. I wouldn't want a new Kb that someone had their dirty old fingers running over,picking their nose and smelling of a smokey old house, know what I mean Tony... Paying £3500 for a Pa3x I want it new out the box, the first to open it, anyway I might want to film the box been opened. How long is it since you bought a new Kb Tony. Thomann use the letter "B" which means it's been returned and is cheaper. Who pays for the PP. Regards Tony
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#334392 - 12/12/11 09:04 AM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Tony Hughes]
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I think this may well be a sign of the times Pa3x isn't selling so the dealers are going to any lenghts to get a sale. And that means letting people try it at home and make their minds up after, jolly de!
Tony No, it's not specific to Korg. It's pretty much standard practice for the big online stores, such as Sweetwater and Musician's Friend, regardless of brand. If they resell a returned unit, it is marked as such and discounted. Stores like Frank's Audioworks generally don't do this, BUT, they will often sell it for less than the MSRP in the first place. Apparently, there is plenty of room between MSRP and cost for the big dealers to do this and not lose money. I think the number of customers who actually do this is very small though. DonM
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#334395 - 12/12/11 10:02 AM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Tony Hughes]
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Sounds like its different in the USA, here in the UK if the box is open, then no one would buy it as new, not even a shop demo model, a shop demo with an opened box would be discounted. I wouldn't want a new Kb that someone had their dirty old fingers running over,picking their nose and smelling of a smokey old house, know what I mean Tony... Paying £3500 for a Pa3x I want it new out the box, the first to open it, anyway I might want to film the box been opened. How long is it since you bought a new Kb Tony. Thomann use the letter "B" which means it's been returned and is cheaper. Who pays for the PP.
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Tony ... fortunately, I haven't found the need or desire to purchase a new KB in many years, but I did have a very recent experience with a mixer that I purchased, took home and tested out for 2 days and returned it, only saying it did not satisfy my needs ... but then, I don't pick my nose and no one in the house smokes, so maybe they made an exception ...
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#334399 - 12/12/11 12:23 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Tony Hughes]
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Sounds like its different in the USA, here in the UK if the box is open, then no one would buy it as new, not even a shop demo model, a shop demo with an opened box would be discounted. I wouldn't want a new Kb that someone had their dirty old fingers running over,picking their nose and smelling of a smokey old house, know what I mean Tony... Paying £3500 for a Pa3x I want it new out the box, the first to open it, anyway I might want to film the box been opened. How long is it since you bought a new Kb Tony. Thomann use the letter "B" which means it's been returned and is cheaper. Who pays for the PP.
Regards
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It is the same here in Canada as in the UK, Tony, and probably the same for most places, unless one can come to some agreement with the seller. If a keyboard is taken out and "handled" (not necessarily at a gig) and is returned, it cannot be sold as "new in the box", because, in reality it is not. Sometimes dealers who are anxious (or, perhaps, in the PA3X's case, desperate) to sell an instrument, they will over look the restocking fee to preferred clients, but, they shouldn't try to pass off an opened and used instrument as new, and it should be marked that way, and discounted accordingly. I sense a real desperation in selling the PA3X instruments...I am told that several were returned to dealers here in Canada because the buyer wasn't quite satisfied with the product. So, I'd suggest anyone buying these instruments, to make sure that it is actually "new", and if not, ask for the proper discount. Ian
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#334401 - 12/12/11 12:42 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Tony Hughes]
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Think you are right Ian don't think the Pa3x is doing too well in the UK, not seen any good demos either, there are more demos of the Audya certainly more of T4.
Tony It's not that it is a "bad" instrument, Tony, the PA3X appears to be a fine arranger, but it's launch was handled very poorly, and many dealers were kept waiting...as were customers, some of whom ended up buying a different brand. Ian
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#334403 - 12/12/11 05:14 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Tony, As I said - most online dealers offer a 100% satisfaction policy. They offer a return - some with a fee, some without. Nothing was even said about what they do with a unit after it's returned, but as a consumer, buying online - I reserve the right to evaluate in my own hands and take the option to return if I so choose. It would be unethical to sell a returned unit as brand new, unless it was discounted and labeled as such. My only reason to return this unit would only possibly be if the 61 key model is identical in key feel, but I doubt it is. I'd have to play them side by side before I made a change.
Now, on to my small speed bump with style play - I notice that only a few patterns shut the LH sound off during the "ending", and it seems like it's specific to the 1st ending. I'll have to do some digging to see what parameters might be available to disable this annoying feature, and I sure hope I find one - the drums are SO good in this piece, and it'd be a shame if I just lost the ability to trigger a LH sound during an ending ... with or without an arranger playing.
Like many Korgs in the past - the learning curve almost never ends, but it almost always does what you need it too, if you can weed your way through the OS. The front panel button layout is so logical and easy to reach, and the sounds are blowing me away - I hope I can find that correction soon. I'd love to start using this!
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#334437 - 12/13/11 08:19 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi Uncle Dave, I normally just play in arranger mode, the settings you're using to play bass l/h , melody r/h
are you using the "manual bass" to acheive this ? with Memory & Bass Inversion buttons set to OFF.
I've tried a couple of dozen styles, and I can play bass thru ending 1 using the above setting.
What I did notice though, I accidently turned on the "lower" Chord Scan button, which automatically turned off "Manual Bass" hence I lost bass, is it possible that this may be happening to you.
Just name a couple of styles that aren't working for you & I can check mine. [quote=Uncle Dave]
Now, on to my small speed bump with style play - I notice that only a few patterns shut the LH sound off during the "ending", and it seems like it's specific to the 1st ending. I'll have to do some digging to see what parameters might be available to disable this annoying feature, and I sure hope I find one - the drums are SO good in this piece, and it'd be a shame if I just lost the ability to trigger a LH sound during an ending ... with or without an arranger playing.
Edited by rikkisbears (12/13/11 08:34 PM)
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#334449 - 12/14/11 12:50 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: rikkisbears]
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I accidentally turned on the "lower" Chord Scan button, which automatically turned off "Manual Bass" hence I lost bass, is it possible that this may be happening to you. Hi Rikki, I can't figure out how to lock a constant bass sound into the Manual bass section without having it change to each new style's chosen bass instrument, so I always use the lower sound. I only use one manual bass tone, and I hate having it change if I switch patterns in the middle of a song. (which I do ALOT). I think one of the patterns at fault was Bossanova in the 1st ending. The 2nd and 3rd endings were fine ... a puzzlement! When I'm in that manual mode, I use the UPPER chord scanning so my RH triggers the harmonizer(with the arr off, of course) - maybe the ending switched the chord scanning - I didn't notice, but that's one thing to check out tonite! Thanx for the suggestion. BTW - I'd LOVE to be able to use that manual bass button the way I like because it would be a seamless transition between arranger and manual on the fly. With the lower sound, it's possible to have manual AND arranger bass play simultaneously if you're sloppy. (which I RARELY am, but it happens if I get distracted by a pretty redhead ...)
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#334458 - 12/14/11 11:22 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Hi Uncle Dave, not sure if you can lock manual bass sound in. I can't even duplicate turning Upper Chord Scan on, without accompinament playing. Me personally, if I needed the styles to suit, I'd copy them into a favourite slot, Mute the Accomp.Icon. Change Bass sound on Style Play page & write it as a current style setting. (You don't actually have to change each of the bass style tracks within the style.) Takes a minute or 2 per style, and it's setup for exactly what you need. You can't overwrite a factory style setting without probably turning off some sort of protection setting, apart from which, you probably wouldn't want to anyway. I accidentally turned on the "lower" Chord Scan button, which automatically turned off "Manual Bass" hence I lost bass, is it possible that this may be happening to you. Hi Rikki, I can't figure out how to lock a constant bass sound into the Manual bass section without having it change to each new style's chosen bass instrument, so I always use the lower sound. I only use one manual bass tone, and I hate having it change if I switch patterns in the middle of a song. (which I do ALOT). I think one of the patterns at fault was Bossanova in the 1st ending. The 2nd and 3rd endings were fine ... a puzzlement! When I'm in that manual mode, I use the UPPER chord scanning so my RH triggers the harmonizer(with the arr off, of course) - maybe the ending switched the chord scanning - I didn't notice, but that's one thing to check out tonite! Thanx for the suggestion. BTW - I'd LOVE to be able to use that manual bass button the way I like because it would be a seamless transition between arranger and manual on the fly. With the lower sound, it's possible to have manual AND arranger bass play simultaneously if you're sloppy. (which I RARELY am, but it happens if I get distracted by a pretty redhead ...)
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#334576 - 12/20/11 08:27 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Kingfrog]
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Dave, If I were in your shoes, I would go with the portability, sell the 76 to Don Mason and I think you'll be more than satisfied with the results. Good Luck on whatever you decide upon, Gary
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#334578 - 12/20/11 09:11 PM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Hi, for anyone who might be interested in korg style structure , here goes. Onboard styles are set up in a particular way, but for those who may want to create user styles, and I don't necessarily mean from scratch, styles can be created from mix n matching onboard style tracks, you can even copy "pad" tracks into a style & vice versa. All the style parts in the korg can be up to 32 bars long, including the fills. One main difference between between fills, intro's & endings is, they only contain 2 cv's. ie one for maj. intro's( cv1) and one for min. intro's ( cv2) wheras variations can have up to 6 cv's . Another interesting thing is, if you tap an intro/ending/ fill twice, it will keep looping, just like a variation. With fills , you can also set which variation they will go to. ie you could set fill 1 to automatically toggle between vari 1 & vari 3, or work it's way up through the variations, there's about 14 settings to choose from, for each of the fills. ( or you can just leave it to off, and it does it's own thing)
Also, you can actually have a different time signature & tempo's in each of the style parts ie if you wanted to do a xmas medley,you could have variation 1 & 2 & fill 1&2, as 3/4 , whilst vari 3 & 4 are in 4/4.
There's actualy nothing stopping you from using a fill spot to create additional intro's, or an intro spot to create additional fills.
With the factory intro's they're set up a particular way, ie intro 1 has a chord progression built in, it's the fanciest of the 3. Intro 2, you actually play your own chord progression, & fill 3 , is a Count in. That's the way the factory styles are set up. But, again , you can have whatever you like. You could have 3 fancy intro's with built in chord progression. You could have 3 where you play your own chord progression. or you coulld have 3 count in's if that's all you wanted. Inoticed over on the korg forums, a number of members were under the impression that the intro types were set ie you have to have a count in on intro 3. not the case.
Also your major ( cv1) & minor intro ( cv2) don't actually have to be the same length. They do have to use the same instruments, though. Intro 1 maj ( cv1) could be 8 bars, intro 1 ( cv2 ) min. might only be 2 bars.
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#334638 - 12/22/11 09:39 AM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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OH UD,
Have I missed something here or am I so bored I didn't read something earlier correctly, have you only just found out it won't go in your car would it not have been better to measure the car first, anyway I thought you guys all have big cars, it's taken us a lot tosh to get to this point, never mind we did it all like one big family, we’ve been hanging on your every word, have you ever thought of changing your car to a 76 note one. Come to think of it HD what would a 76 note car look like, a Hummer???
Tony BEEP BEEP
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#334674 - 12/23/11 12:57 AM
Re: PA3x came in the door at 9am this morning!
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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UD,
I think ergonomically the Pa3x is the best Kb on the market, it looks the part, real quality sliders and knobs, there is nothing comes anywhere near to it. I have an Audya as you know sit the two side by side and the Audya looks like a load of 10 year olds in school have put it together, people got so blown away with the sound they never looked at the product. I have not had a chance to play the Pa3x yet but I will in the New Year. The Audya is far too big for its boots, if you think the Pa3x is a lump and too long then dream on David. Ketron have not got the in-house technology to put together anything like the Pa3x and that’s the end of it. It just sound very good, close your eyes whilst you are playing the Audya, it’s like making love to an old women.
Have a nice Christmas, BTW are you doing the two coconuts thing when you have had a few to drink?
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