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#323718 - 05/08/11 07:44 PM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: Uncle Dave]
DonM Offline
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Dave, the E50 will not remember tempo settings either. Every time I turn it on, I set it to auto. After that it remembers it until you turn it off. Performances or OTS won't remember it between sessions. The E50 also will not remember Performance Hold settings once it is powered off.
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#323722 - 05/08/11 09:16 PM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Good News - as I suspected, the "ghost files" are due to a Mac/PC feud .... when I loaded the USB drive into my Windows PC, I was able to see and remove all the dead files! That cleaned up the drive a little. Now on to the next few things that need some TLC!
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#323730 - 05/09/11 05:17 AM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Dave,
I had the same ghost files but never did try to remove them. That is a good find. I have developed a "love-hate" relationship with my BK-7m but a lot of my problems are really because I have zero experience with midi and controllers so I my learning curve is straight up.

Seems like to get the module "gig ready" a lot of work must be put into the module.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.

Deane

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#323740 - 05/09/11 08:01 AM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: hammer]
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Originally Posted By: hammer
Dave,
I had the same ghost files but never did try to remove them. That is a good find. I have developed a "love-hate" relationship with my BK-7m but a lot of my problems are really because I have zero experience with midi and controllers so I my learning curve is straight up.

Seems like to get the module "gig ready" a lot of work must be put into the module.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.

Deane


Deane have you gigged with the BK7m yet? was wondering what you thougt vs the ease of an all in one unit like the Tyros4?

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#323751 - 05/09/11 09:49 AM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: Dnj]
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Donny,
I plan on taking it on it's first gig Tuesday. I have about 60 tunes setup on it and that is plenty for my gig.

The module is harder to use than my Tyros 4 but not impossible. I am accustomed to changing voices and variations about every 8 or 16 bars in a song and that is really hard to do with the module. I guess it comes down to how each player uses his equipment and if changing the procedures that have become a habit is worth the effort.

As for sound I won't know about that until I take it out to a real gig and run it through both of my Bose Compacts. In my studio it did not sound very good running only one speaker - but with two speakers it seemed to come to life.

I am still very much in the "will I keep it" mode but trying hard to give it a fair tryout.

Deane

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#323752 - 05/09/11 09:53 AM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: hammer]
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Originally Posted By: hammer
Donny,
I plan on taking it on it's first gig Tuesday. I have about 60 tunes setup on it and that is plenty for my gig.

The module is harder to use than my Tyros 4 but not impossible. I am accustomed to changing voices and variations about every 8 or 16 bars in a song and that is really hard to do with the module. I guess it comes down to how each player uses his equipment and if changing the procedures that have become a habit is worth the effort.

As for sound I won't know about that until I take it out to a real gig and run it through both of my Bose Compacts. In my studio it did not sound very good running only one speaker - but with two speakers it seemed to come to life.

I am still very much in the "will I keep it" mode but trying hard to give it a fair tryout.

Deane


Deane keep us posted on your experiences and Good Luck Buddy!

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#323758 - 05/09/11 10:39 AM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Deanne: I admire your diligence in getting the BK7m to work with your T4 setup,
but for me, Tyros 4 alone delivers it 'all included' in one unit, including the quick setup time.

Deane, what specific Roland sounds or styles are you wanting that's not included, or can't be closely duplicated on the Tyros 4 itself?
Because many of Roland's sounds are available as digital samples (vst, akai, etc),
you might consider using Extreme Sample Converter to convert these to Yamaha TVN/UVN format and then load & play them in your Tyros 4.
If it's specific Roland Style(s) you're wanting, these too can be exported and converted to Tyros 4 '.sty' format.
Just my idea of of a way of maintaining the ease of a 'one unit' system, including the greater ease of storing & calling up everything in Reg. cool
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#323761 - 05/09/11 10:45 AM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: Scottyee]
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Originally Posted By: Scottyee



Just my idea of of a way of maintaining the ease of a 'one unit' system, including the greater ease of storing & calling up everything in Reg. cool


Well said, Scott...especially if you are doing more than one gig a day. Having a Tyros4, or any higher-end arranger, is far easier than setting up and tearing down separate units...plus, with modular, there's more wires, and more to go wrong.

Keep it simple, as they say.

I must commend Deane on his persistence.

Ian
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#323763 - 05/09/11 10:51 AM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Advantages to the module include weight, great drums sounds, multi-bar styles, wonderful bass lines in the styles. Again, those preferring a more "live" sound out of the box, as opposed to a CD sound, will find Roland more appealing than Yamaha.
I would prefer all-in-one unit as well, but Roland isn't making any new ones, at least right now.
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#323766 - 05/09/11 11:14 AM Re: Specific BK7m quest - please help if you have one [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 07/27/05
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I used modules in the past, specifically RA-50, RA-90, RA-800, and I must say, I am totally happy with not having to use a modular setup anymore.

Fiddly, and time consuming setup, more things to put away, and more things to go wrong...plus, access to a module's controls, even with a well set-up controller, is not nearly as convenient as having it all on the panel, with clear labeling and a nice informative screen.

With so many excellent new styles available, especially Yamaha styles that now use mega and SA/SA2 voices, the argument of "better" styles (and bass lines) holds no water anymore, in my opinion.

And with even high end arrangers weighing less than 35 lbs, with the mid-range at only 20 or so, the weight factor isn't nearly what it used to be.

So basically, it really boils down to overall sound, and what we like to hear coming out of our speakers.

I'm glad Yamaha's sound appeals to me, and I can get everything in one unit (in my case, a Tyros4), as I know I wouldn't have the patience to be jiggin' around with a module and controller, and having to deal with it's disadvantages, for a few dubious (in my opinion) advantages.

But, to each his own.

Ian
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