Sorry,

Couldn't watch it through to the end, didn't see any point, did I miss something. BooM BooM Boom thats all I heard.

Tony

Again terrible Demo's from a new keyboard.
Too much Bla,bla.and no decent sound.

Impuls

Based on the comments...I won't even bother!

Just imagine taking a new BMW for a test drive at night, only to be told that the headlights don't work, but the radio is fine but only play Boom Boom Boom musax, and all the dashboard panel and in French, go on yes you would buy one!

Listen up it's not Korg fault, the entrance to these demos is WooW., when that’s finished it goes downhill, you got to hand it to the guy who posted the demos on YouTube, he must have thought they were good enough!!!

I would have used a pseudonym

This has got to be the worst demos ever, yes worse than you know who!

What I find so amazing is that neither Korg Japan nor Korg Italy has removed any of these poor sounding YouTube demos, or countered these with better demos so people can hear how the PA3X sounds heard directly from the PA3X's line outs. I mean 'how difficult' would it be for them or anyone to do that? Especially strange considering how poor these sound when demonstrated by Korg affiliated demonstrators themselves.

Seems to me that Korg remains stubbornly adamant about promoting the PA3X heard through their new optional add speaker system only and not through a decent PA system and/or recorded directly line out? The excuses made here about simply waiting for Korg to finally release high quality demos which will blow us away is long over. Considering the Namm fiasco, Korg should have responded & done this by now. The longer they wait, the deeper the negative publicity gets. I wonder who the head of the Korg PA3X publicity department is?! I certainly would never want them to promote anything of mine.

I think Korg might be retooling the Pa3x after it initial NAMM showing & also realizing the popularity of the new Tyros4 & maybe trying to make it a better competitive offering with some significant changes for the better down the road. Or maybe it just IS what it IS?...

I have so far managed to butt in , but honestly why can't you just all wait until Frankfurt has come AND GONE and the true nature of this board will be revealed to all and sundry ?
I am not saying anything negative nor positive about this new arranger but knowing Korg I think it is only fair to expect quality. I for one am sitting back in patience.....

I'm a patient enough kinda guy, and quite willing to wait to see what comes to pass after Musicmesse, but Scott is absolutely right. Why, how, and who at Korg is tolerating this stream of dreadful videos on their new flagship? It's beyond me too, Scott.

this is an official korg Demonstration. I dont know what more you guys are waiting for. Michel DEUCHST is an official Korg Demonstrator working for Korg France. He is actually quite good. you should watch all the videos. The instrument actually sounds very good. The demonstration is not geared to the older market and the pros making their living doing ball room or 60's music. This is for younger people .

The horns in the funk style at 11.55 of the first clip sound great.

This is one of the more interesting demos.

Yes Spalding... Also check out the new MASSIVE track controls options - at about 12.35...Looks much MUCH easier to manipulate all the parameters of style tracks. Similar to the Roland Make-up Tools. Dare I say - maybe even better!!??

Will bear some closer scrutiny when the manual is released..Also some really cool new styles in there too. People, you do need to try and see past the not so stellar sound quality

Just imagine how awesome this is going to sound via a PA. It is getting interesting again

I have not had time to get through all the demos in this set, I am hoping he might give a bit of a demo of the Chord Sequencer in operation too....

Dennis

Best demo till now. I have watch all 5 parts and although the video sound quality isn't that good I now know for sure I will buy the PA3X. Wow what a instrument. Thanks for posting Saswick

excellent! this is a satisfying demo to me regarding the PA 3X!

having read of alot of the posts in this thread from people still not happy with the demos leaves me wondering... did you get past 2 mins of the first video? I am only up to video# 3 so far and I am blown away.

YES the audio and video quality may not be that great but you can still get a good idea of what the keyboard sounds like and what sounds / styles it has.

Dennis:
on the 3rd video at about 2 mins in he plays a style called "ethnic dance" and he does a rendition of Stereo love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Z3YrHJ1sU
he shows off the chord sequencer here in this part... check it out

The GUI also looks to be graphically enhanced and much easier / nicer on the eyes.

the concert guitar DNC sounds soo good. we now finally have a real contender for the SA concert guitar on the Tyros line, along with sax / woodwind and brass.

PA 3X is a winner!

Nick

+1

Actually at 2:35 of the 3rd video he utilizes the CS feature.

Oops yep my bad..typo there. Thanks

Dennis, it sounds like you're getting interested in this instrument....really interested.

Would you say it is a worthwhile buy for someone who already has a PA2XPro?

How about a PA1XPro?

Yes, it does sound pretty good (I like the styles, too), but somehow, I can't see a PA2XPro owner making the move on it.

With me, I bought the Tyros4, because I believe (in my opinion) that it is substantially better than the Tyros3, having been lucky enough to have the latter for over a year on my sample account. Also, I was buying from scratch; I did not presently own an instrument.

If I had owned a T3, the decision would have been much harder, although, I suspect I'd still sell it and get the Tyros4.

I know you will only know your direction clearly when you have played and spent some time on the PA3XPro, but, are you considering getting one more strongly than say, a month ago?

Why not get a Kronos and use it with your PA2XPro?

I can't see the Roland BK-7M being good enough to replace the arranger features in your present instrument...sure, it would be nice hooked up to a Kronos, but I can't see the style engine being even close to what you have now.

Interesting times for sure.

Ian

Hi Ian,

It sort of waxes and wanes. I hear informative demos like this, and I think well why not, but then the more pragmatic side takes over and says well it is not that much different.

However what has my interest piqued is not so much the sounds it's the actual OS itself. looks like Korg have done a real number on it going by some of the tools exposed in these demos, and the CS...

Actually I COULD have got one of the only three to land in Oz in July, and I was just that close to plonking down the deposit...but in the end I didn't...

By now I would suggest all three units have been bought.

Yes I am more interested, but still only at 60/40. But I will repeat what I have maintained all along, for a PA1x owner the upgrade to a PA3 is a no-brainer, same goes for a new Korg owner...for a PA2x owner...not so sure.

Korg still have not ruled out some form of OS candy hand-me-down for the PA2. Not expecting anything, but you never know.

Dennis

Hard to judge while listening in a foreign language, with a too dark video, and poor audio. Hopefully an English version will be available and have a better production.

That said , Thanks for the links Saswick, the P3 looks like it will be a fabulous keyboard, and the CS is a really nice feature.

Any word on the MSRP?

Tell you what, I will play all 5 again with my eyes shut and I tell you what I think of it,this is perhaps how all demos should be played in the dark, but we can't trust folks, someone might not be playing what they say they are and it's nice to see the thing too! Maybe I need to go to Specsavers, audio and visual depots, Larry, Scott, Implus, can come too. Look, we all know that korg don't make tosh KB we will leave that for others to do, I have a PA2x I know, but come on guys, there are better demos by SZ memebers than this.

Tony

Me thinks some of you guys are going to have to eat your words
in a short while !!

Kind Regards

Col

I noticed on American Idol the other night that Stevie Wonder, performing as a guest artist, was playing a Motif ES. Isn't that two generations old? Surely Stevie can afford the latest, greatest. It just seems to me that the most professional and the most proficient players seem to be the least anxious to run out and buy the 'latest, greatest'. Even on this board, guys like Gary and Diki, true working professionals, seem to stick to what's working rather than chase after every new toy that comes down the pike. I'm willing to bet that hobbyist and home players are the MOST likely to upgrade frequently. You would have to conclude that this is because they are convinced that it is the INSTRUMENT that is going to make them sound better rather than their talent and skill set. Of course this is just my own (usually controversial) opinion. Obviously, there are many exceptions and many good, legitimate reasons to upgrade, such as "I just want it". But IMO, if you suck on a Tyros 3, you're probably going to suck on a Tyros 4 as well.

chas (saving up for my PA3x ).

Col,

I think your right we will,but I won't be going for a change on the results of the demos, I have no doubt that KORG will have do a good job, just a great pity we can't see it in the dark.

Tony

What?..Korg is going to edit the video's?

We are not saying it's not going to be a great keyboard, we are saying the video's you linked to could have been better, that's all.

Larry,

I am with you on this one, I hope we get a hell of a kicking on this one and the the PA3x is far better than T4, Audya, MS and all things multi coloured put together, if it is, it will be one hell of a tool. I agree just a little better demo would us reeling, perhaps!

Tony

I would say the Pa3x is already out...
it's called the Pa2x!....aside from more cool usable features it is essentially the same sound/style wise to my ears so far in anything I've heard to date.

Donny,

That doesn't sound good news, perhaps that was a PA2x thats why the lights hand been turned down!

Tony

No offense guys, but I'm pretty sure I could come out to any of YOUR gigs with a lousy camcorder sitting well back in a poor acoustic environment, and make YOU sound like you suck! No matter WHAT arranger you play!

This ISN'T an official Korg demo. This is an amateur recording of a Korg demo...

Big difference.

I'll tell you one other thing. Listen to a Yamaha demo presentation, and sure, you'll hear a LOT of very pretty playing. What you WON'T hear (or see) is the presenter getting into great detail about the editing capabilities! For instance, I don't think I have EVER seen a Yamaha arranger demo where the presenter gets a rhythm going, then goes into the drum kit while it's playing and adjust the pitch of the snare..! Sure, it's not 'entertaining', but it IS what any decent player, pro OR amateur, ought to be interested in.

I believe this shows, about as clearly as I have ever seen, the utter disparity between Yamaha's approach to selling arrangers and their target audience, and Korg's. Look, I used to sell 'home organs' back in the seventies. And one thing you learned to NEVER do when demo-ing those things to 'home' players was talk about ANY of the details. Just play your ass off, play some cheesy schmaltz, and let them THINK that, if they bought one, they would sound JUST LIKE YOU...

Then I sold synths to gigging pros in the eighties. The FIRST thing they wanted to know was, how was the editing, how was the ease of use live, how fast was the patch selection, how easy was it to store your own setups. I barely had to play the things at all.

That's the difference between Korg and Yamaha, IMO. Korg are making arrangers for people that still CARE about editing and the fine details, and Yamaha are not. Even though some of that editing capability is actually included, you'll rarely ever see a Yamaha demo where they even MENTION it, let alone show off its capabilities.

Personally, I am GLAD that at least ONE arranger manufacturer still cares about this stuff. And, so what if it hurts their sales a little bit not going after the lowest common denominator? One thing I'm sure of. If it weren't for brands like Korg, keeping it old school, Yamaha would have LONG ago dropped any pretense of detail editing. They would like to sell preset boxes to preset music players. Tons of money there. But at least Korg's continual refusal to relinquish the arranger market to Yamaha exclusively (let's face it, everybody else is also-ran's) helps push innovation and stops the dumbing down of the arranger...

I can't wait for the first OFFICIAL, properly recorded PA3X demos. I heard much there that, were it to come off the board, would have sounded pretty good. and perhaps Korg, for the ADHD listeners here, will post some nice music without any of that yucky editing information thrown in to confuse them! Maybe some ALW, perhaps a Miss Saigon medley..?

Well until that possibly happens Diki we are left with what we see & hear....nothing more nothing less....wishing & hoping won't cut it...it is what it is, let your ears be your guide I say....

You know, I'm not really one of those 'you have to hear it in person' kind of guys. A well recorded mp3 demo of a direct from the outputs performance is fine by me... I play all of them through my Mackie HR824's anyway, so they sound through the same system as I would use it on at home, helping comparison no end.

But, until I DO hear a well recorded demo through the reference monitors, I don't think I CAN really pass judgment. Unlike many here, sadly...

I'm the opposite...I enjoy the so called bad demos because I can hear thru them what I need to make an opinion for myself...
no need to butter it up...naked is the truth I say

Well, there's bad, then there's cell-phone bad!

I am pretty sure you don't sound as bad out in the room as it would sound if someone held up a portable recording device. Once the sound of the room masks the music as much as these demos did, I am afraid you can't really tell WHAT you are listening to...

As I said earlier, I am pretty sure I could come to one of your gigs with a cheap recording device, set it up far enough away from you that the room masks your real sound, and make even your S910 sound pretty bad... Now, that doesn't mean that the S910 really IS bad, does it?

your not getting my point......I can hear thru the mess

For me, a slightly dodgy audio recording is not critical, as I already have a pretty good idea of how it is going to sound, based around the PA2. And believe me, from the demos I have seen, and the specs I have read, there is not a great deal of difference!

The only sounds I am really interested in are those from the CV1, and as I have not heard in person or played one I am waiting for a decent sound demo for those. the rest sound pretty similar.You guys do not have that experience of owning and regularly playing a PA2 week in and week out, so really are not in a good position to tell without a pristine audio signal. And that's cool!

And from a sound basis I would not be interested in buying one. Too similar.

BUT, from an operational perspective, now that's where I get interested. So far all I am seeing is very good. Style track editing (from initial looks) that seem far more detailed and easier to use than make-up tools. A pretty decent button layout, easier to see and read display, Chord Sequencer of course!! The new harmoniser engine from VoiceLive Touch, amongst others.

There is still some technical information that has not been evidenced in the videos, and I suspect (hope!) this will become clearer at Messe

But my final decision will now rest on the release of the manual, so I can REALLY see what has changed and been added.

Dennis

Hello all
I am OK with Diki,,you are often sage and sometime a little angry (not exactly the good word sorry).
I am French and i am 60 years ; These videos are amateurish work and the sound is bad.
Michel Deutsh is a very great player same level than Bartman Voncken etc.He knows very very well the Korg keyboards
and the PA séries. The keyboard he use is in beta version , many fonctions does not work and he says that but for me it is more easy to undurstand.
For exemple he can't calling the screen sets on this keyboard .He always asked to change the pictures of the big screen on his left.
I am very familiar with the 2x because y have this keyboard and also the T4 and the Audya ,I think that i can compare all that.
I have listen attentively
The piano is better than the PA2
Electrics pianos are in a new level far better that all others arrangeurs
on PA2x harmonica was more réalistic than T4 and Audya ,on this new it is far better (listen at the vibrato).
An organ sound is really the same that Hammond .I have not see if this is a prest sound or the drawbars . the drawbars on the 2x are not good (better on T4 and Audya.
For the drums i don't know (ambiance effects ) ?
we may waiting for listen all the sounds and the styles but i think that this board can compete easely with Tyros 4 and Audya ( wait and see ) and sorry for my English.

Angry..? Well, not quite. Perhaps disturbed, at times!

It often seems we have little patience to wait until good quality demos come out, and many people make their minds up LONG before the dust has settled. Perhaps that's just the nature of a cross-platform forum, some people can't think good of their own arranger without putting another one down.

Me, I can't tell. Sure, it sounds pretty much like a PA2X, and that's not surprising. T4 sounds pretty much like a T3 to me, too. And the E80 sounded pretty much like a G70. That's the nature of the beast. And as you have said, he is STILL playing a beta, so there's plenty of room for change before the release (and after it, too - Korg are not like Yamaha, they WILL bring out software improvements rather than make you buy another arranger to get them).

When the first official units start shipping to the dealers is when we are likely to FINALLY hear it in its finished form. Until then, at least these videos keep our appetites whetted (and give the naysayers something to gripe about!). I can definitely tell that Dennis is getting interested if it has Makeup Tool ease of use in it. Me too, TBH. Makeup Tools is one of the MAIN things that keeps me locked into the G70. I do a LOT of 'tweaking', and anything that makes that easier is great by me! If Korg can make something that makes style editing and tweaking as easy as Roland have, it is going to be a big factor in whether I consider one.

In the meantime, meh..! I am not so fired up about ANY new arranger that a disappointing amateur video of a beta demo is going to ruin my day! I can wait for the good stuff without HAVING to come to a decision now...

Angry...? No. Resigned, maybe..!

Can you count the number of fingers in his right hand?

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