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#319973 - 03/23/11 03:47 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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Good morning,
Can anyone recomend or have styles for the following songs?
Elvira Just The Way You Are Hot Hot Hot Bad Bad Leroy Brown
Thanks! For Elvira and Bad Leroy Brown I use third-party styles, which I'll be more than happy to email to you. For Hot Hot Hot, the Zouk style, which can be found in the World Category of the keyboard hits it right on the money. Set the tempo at 118, use the "D" variation, and without pressing any keys hit the Start/Stop button, which will fire up the drums. Sing the Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole intro a couple times, hit the fill and select the chord you sing the song with. For Just The Way You Are, the Pop Bossanova with a tempo of 135 and the "C" variation works great. Try using the second intro, which is pretty clean and relatively short. Good Luck, Gary
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#320376 - 03/28/11 10:39 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: Dnj]
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Why copy the sax solo....just play it your own way and make the song yours, many times its better then the original that way.....no need to copy exactly IMO. Great suggestion, Donny. I do the sax solo my way, but, in the interest of keeping the tune's solo relatively cohesive with the rest of the piece, I generally do the first and last parts of the solo very close to the original Phil Wood's version. What is in between is usually my own interpretation. Most people identify specific solos by the way they are introduced into the tune, or how they lead the listener into the rest of the tune. Although I can't put in as many bends and scoops as a free playing solo sax player, I feel I do enough to give it a decent amount of authenticity, and I am happy with that. I don't use any SMF (to each his own)...I prefer the flexibility of styles for my kind of playing...if I lose some in the amount of bends/scoops, I gain it by being able to alter chords, add extra verses, and even change styles at my own discretion. Ian
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#320441 - 03/29/11 08:14 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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Ian, what solo voice do you use in the RH when you play "Just the Way You Are" as an instrumental?
I play the tune in "D" which, I believe, is the original key...I use Fingered On Bass, and set the split point to Ab2 to be able to play the second chord, Bm6, in root position. Solo voices...usually start with SA Concert Guitar, and then change to Cool! Suitcase EP...I use a strings layer for the Bridge, and, of course, Sax (in this case, SA Breathy Sax) for the solo...last verse, either SA Concert guitar or Electric piano (sometimes I layer them). For my own take on the arrangement, I start the tune without the intro, and then play the style intro after the first verse. It is a great restaurant tune...busy and lively, but not too aggressive. Ian
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#320445 - 03/29/11 09:30 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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I'm not sure, Bill. It has been a long time, but if I recall correctly, I downloaded the tabs from one of the sites. Thanks for the complements on the vocals--my audiences really love the way it comes across. I performed it last night at a restaurant job and even the youngsters (staff) loved it as well. I'll try to dig up the tabs and post them when I get back from today's jobs. Gary
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#320465 - 03/29/11 03:13 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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I use the score found in a Yamaha Electone Step 8 workbook I had when teaching...even has the sax solo very close to the original, and all the proper chords...it's in the key of "D".
It's a beautiful piece of music, and a lot of fun to play.
Most importantly, although Gary's chords weren't quite the same as the original, he didn't mess with the melody, and that came off really nice.
Great job, Gary.
Ian
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#320468 - 03/29/11 03:33 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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Here's the tabs chart I went by: Verse 1 C Am F Am Don't go chang-ing, __to try and please me C7 Fm C You never let me down___ before F Fm C Am7 Don't__ im-ag__-ine__ you're too fa-mil__- iar__ Am7 D7 G7 And I don't see__ you__ an-y-more___ Verse 2 C Am F Am I wouldn't lea-ve you, in times of trouble C7 Fm C We never could have come this far F Fm C Am7 I took the good times, I'll take the bad times Dm7 G C I'll take you just___ the way___ you are__________ Verse 3 C Am F Am Don't go trying __some new fashion C7 Fm C Don't change the color of your hair F Fm C Am7 You always have my unspoken pas-sion___ Am7 D7 G Although I might not___ seem to care___ Verse 4 C Am F Am Don't want clever conversation C7 Fm C Never want to work that hard F Fm C Am7 I just want someone that I can talk to Dm7 G C I'll take you just___ the way___ you are__________ Bridge F G7 Em7 A7 I need to know___ that you___ will al_____ways be Dm7 G C/C7 The same old some___one__ that I knew__ Ab Bb7 Gm7 C -7 What will__ it take__ till you__ be-lieve___ in me__ Fm7 Bb G The way that I___ be-lieve___ in you__________. Verse 5 C Am F Am I said I love you and that's forever C7 Fm C And this I promise from the heart F Fm C Am7 I could not love___ you any better Dm7 F C I'll take you just___ the way___ you are__________ I don't know if the tabs will line up properly with the words, but that's OK. Gary
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#320495 - 03/30/11 06:21 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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Gary, Nice job, you keep on proving you don't need the latest to be the greatest. Live playing and using every chord as written while singing, is way too difficult, for me, so I cheat whenever I can. Yes I'm lazy, but as Ian stated: "Most importantly, although Gary's chords weren't quite the same as the original, he didn't mess with the melody, and that came off really nice." I am making a commitment to learn those really difficult chords, like learning a new chord a day...or maybe every other day, or once a week... Bill, I hardly ever use full keyboard, and when I do, I never noticed the bass root. I'll have to give a better listen, so thanks for that tip.
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#320496 - 03/30/11 07:24 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Try transposing the Wikafonia version down to "C" and you'll find the difference in chord structure is not as significant. I don't play the song in the original chords because it's way out of my vocal range. Keep in mind that Billy Joel has a relatively high, squeaky sounding voice--I don't want to sound like him. Like I said earlier, I cannot remember exactly what site I downloaded the song from, and I know it was transposed to "C." I just tried playing and singing the song from the Wikafonia page that Bill posted, and it was WAY OUT of MY vocal range. When I transposed the page to "C" it sounded nearly identical to the one I posted. I, personally, would like to hear some of the other folks here post their versions of the song in the same manner--while playing and singing, you know, a one-shot deal. Like I've said many, many times on the Zone, I've learned a lot here--stuff like this helps us all learn even more. So, Bill, Diki, UD, etc.., fire up those Zoom recorders and post the results. I, for one, would love to hear your versions of Just The Way You Are. Gary
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#320557 - 03/31/11 09:33 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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Loc: NW Florida
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A good exercise when learning new chords is to play them, after you have learned them in root position, in the other inversions, too. So, for a C chord, play CEG first, then play EGC, then GCE. Without the On Bass feature on, they will all sound the same. But with it on, they will all sound subtly different. This will not only help you when it comes to slash chords and inversions, but with on bass off, it helps stop you from jumping your LH around so much, as a G major to a C major can be played GBD, then GCE... Your hand doesn't move, and only two fingers do, too! Mind you, I like Donny's approach, too. It doesn't matter how messed up you get the chords - it's not WRONG, it's just 'making it your own'!
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#320573 - 03/31/11 12:05 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: Diki]
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Thanks Diki--I'll give that a try the next time I get some free time. In this instance, though, I accessed the correct chord structure, then used the sites transpose feature to transpose the chord structure to "C", which is my playing comfort zone. So, the progression was essentially identical, just a shift in the chords used--at least that's the way it looked and sounded to me. I've never been good with inversions, but I'm always learning, so maybe one day they're become second nature. Thanks everyone, Gary
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#320578 - 03/31/11 01:38 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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A lot has to do with approach.
To me, I try and stay away from this particular tune, unless its a request. The tune is so iconic, same with the solo, that I feel uncomfortable playing it. The opening riff is such a unique one, that to leave it out and still call it "Just the Way You Are" to me, is like a restaurant selling a Rueben sandwich without the corned beef. The 6th's in the Gm and Bm chords Joel uses colors the tune in a special way and to not play them also really stood out to me.
You leave the opening riff out, you leave the coloring out, etc...pretty soon, its not the same tune anymore. Forgive me Gary, but it sounded like an easy note version.
No offense meant, whatsoever...
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#320585 - 03/31/11 02:14 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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A lot has to do with approach.
. The tune is so iconic, same with the solo, that I feel uncomfortable playing it. The opening riff is such a unique one, that to leave it out and still call it "Just the Way You Are" to me, is like a restaurant selling a Rueben sandwich without the corned beef. The 6th's in the Gm and Bm chords Joel uses colors the tune in a special way and to not play them also really stood out to me.
Absolutely, Bill...it is a tune that requires more than a bit of work to pull off close to Joel's version. I spent weeks getting the sax solo close enough to the original where I was finally comfortable enough with it to play in public...the addition of the 6ths to the Gm and Bm chords is necessary in my opinion, to give (or to sustain) the tune's twinge of melancholy. The style I use has the signature Intro, and it allows the player to repeat it...I always start without, and kick it in after the first verse, but, to leave it out entirely, wouldn't work for me. However, I still like Gary's version...perhaps it's the vocals that make it work...he doesn't try to sound like Joel, so it does seem to give him some artistic license. Certainly, the tune itself, seems to have crossed into the "Standards" category, albeit, a "new" standard. Diana Krall does a nice rendition. A very well written song, to be sure...and my favorite Billy Joel tune...another I like to play, is "She's Always A Woman"...clever chords and lyrics make it a lot of fun. Ian
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#320598 - 03/31/11 07:43 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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No offense taken, Bill. Some folks think they have to sound exactly like the original--some folks don't. For the most part, audiences don't care if I sound like Billy Joel--they came to hear ME perform. Cheers, Gary
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