http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQvIGCDmUU

Just found this on the tube..

Enjoy...

Bachus,

What the hell was that supposed to be, another missed opportunity, the styles sounded like some 1960 Hammond Organ rhythm unit, take a look at Robert on the T4 you can actually watch him played, it’s certainly not worth £4000.00 whatever it was that was been played. The day we see someone playing a piece all the way through on a MS will be a first, it’s an enigma rolled up in an enigma. Well we will keeping on wishing MS and the Wersi Wing. Audya don’t look all that bad now!

I know it's a personal observation, but that Groove kb is the ugliest thing I ever saw. never heard or played one, but yikes ..... I just hate the way it looks.

Dave,

You are on the money, as long as you don't look at it from the side you are OK Dave, but you are right, it's a lump of lead, in the UK we would say a bag of spanners, it's no doubt got a future but not at my house and it's not a thing that every home should have also.

And you live 5 minutes from a MediaStation..that you haven't seen, or tried in more than 3 years..See how often you visit "Old friends"....

Same story with the Roland G70...You are plain out of touch..

No Fran, the G70 is out of touch - MY touch ... you know how I feel about those long keys ... hate 'em.
As for the mediastation ... I have never had the slightest interest in them .... no real reason, I gues the marketing approach failed to lure me in.
Now, old friends .... that HAS been an issue since my new job - I hate being out of the loops I was in, but these kids need me, and at the end of the day - I'm wiped out. I think I'm starting to feel like what it's like to work a real job .... never knew it could be this exhausting.....but rewarding. Kinda like parenthood in general, I suppose.

You can keep that 47 year old accordeeeeen in the closet too .....

MS is not an arranger, as I think of an arranger.
YMMV.
Dom blew it big time when he dissconnectd from Nobert at Live-styler....IF he would have worked wth him to PERFECT the playing of Yamaha styles including ones with mega...he would have hit a home run.

My Gosh...the effort to write all those styles! in Qranger native mode?
Is huge, it's like Yamaha starting today, but on a limited budget to write/test/debug all the styles you find on a MOTL or TOTL Yamaha arranger.
Let alone OTS and other content.
To me it's kind of like buying a new Korg PA3X but they tell me, well no it doesn't come with any content (styles, Songbook, performances, OTS)..you have to do all that yourself! But it is a great WS with great sounds and can run just about anything (PC wise).

I won't live long enough.


Remember I never said it was not a leadng edge WS.

... well, the pictures were pretty ...

You are right about one thing, mediastation is not an arranger, its a combination of workstation with an arranger component build intoo it.

I personally can understand why Dom quit with live-styler, as Norbert acted like a plain thief. Next to that Q-ranger can convert Yamaha styles out of the box, and they sound okay with some tweakeing..

The content, Styles and even more high quallity sounds is allmost ready and will be shown at Musik Messe..

Best thing about Lionstracs instruments is that they will keep improving... litle step after little step..


But then many people overhere are better of with a Tyros 4, its easier to understand, and you can play everything just the way Yamaha wants you to play it.

chas

Hey, it's as easy as fishin' to edit/assemble styles, and to make your own registrations and multi-pads...that's hardly bein' stuck at what a company feels you have to play.

And, yes, it is a good thing the Tyros4 is easy to understand.

I just taught a 72 year old grandmother how to edit/assemble and revoice a style (over the phone, no less)...she's almost as old as you and Chas.

There's no need to be forced to accept what a company gives us anymore as far as styles...Yamaha does a pretty darn good job of giving us plenty of styles to edit to our own liking, not to forget the incredible number of third party styles.

There's no excuse for being stuck with the same old styles over and over...not any more.

Ian

Bachus,
I have yet to hear a single style converted by Qranger from a Yamaha style...WITH mega voices that sounds good at all!
Did I miss it?

And you must have a very high quality Mega-voice full compatible sound set in order to do this well. I think Norbert had that too?

What did I miss, I always have had good support from Norbert.
The Live-styler could be purchased by the customer if that was a issue? If Norbert was charging DOm a couple hundred bucke per copy it would have been a steel.

Maybe I missed what hapened with DOM and norbert?

I still don't get the point of running Yamaha styles on a Yamaha style player in the MS. I mean, for Pete's sake! Korg don't tout playing Yamaha styles as a 'feature', Yamaha don't even TRY to put Roland style compatibility into their arrangers. No arranger attempts to put the features in so you can play Ketron Live Loop styles.

Each of the majors stands or falls because of their OWN styles and sounds (a gestalt, or whole thing, made from two connected components).

Ian points out that it is a piece of cake to assemble and edit styles... Yes, true to an extent. BUT... what he's doing is editing and assembling (frankenstyling!) styles out of the ALREADY brilliant Yamaha styles in the first place. He's not creating them from scratch. He's certainly not hunting around in a disjointed VSTi instrument library for sounds that work well TOGETHER, to go along with that style.

The idea that the STRENGTH of an MS is it can emulate a Yamaha (except for Mega and SA2 voices, which, let's face it, are the BEST things in those styles!), and end up sounding little better than a cheap PSR is ludicrous. As I have been saying since day one, it's the CONTENT that makes the arranger. Unless you are Nicolas Damgaart (MidiSpot) or one of the top style creators (and even THEY don't have to work on creating a cohesive soundset), who exactly is going to benefit from the MS as an arranger?

I see it as a fabulous addition to an arranger, but standalone? Not until Dom blows a year's development costs on styles and a library of integrated sounds equal to the best TOTL arrangers. THEN, it is going to ROCK!

Hi Diki.



Everything you could possibly wish for is already in development.

Regards
James

I guess you're thinking about Nicolai Damgaard

Everything diki wishes for?

You know that requires the name ROLAND printed on it in big capitols, right?


<smiles> just kidding, its good to hear you're so confident about the new styles, it really is.

Having the tools to write styles is nice..BUT, how many people in the world can actually do it? I mean top notch styles like the big boys. FROM SCRATCH.
I probably have the tech. talent (or could get there in short order) to build styles from scratch, but no way do I have the Musical talent to do it! Or the time.
The cost is huge.

James, If you are saying that it is being done...I do respect your talent and honesty, but wow...are you not kidding?
Just to have a dozen in every genre would take tons of time and $$$.

Are you doing it really from scratch or using other brand styles as a base?

James, I agree totally you just have to be patient...it will all come to us in the near future for sure. In technology what we have today will be a thing of the past very shortly

I Agree. The look is also important and this thing is ugly. Just compare it with the new Kronos which not only sounds fantastic but also looks great.

How about this one http://www.tastenpoint.at/shop/produkt_beschreibung.php?products_id=1012

Bill

I have nothing to do with the keyboard, it's the Rack I'm working on. Colour wise, it's going to be black with very minimal white writing on it. Very cooling looking product.

You never know though, the keyboards might change in the future.:)

Regards
Sharp.

As long as the keyboard sounds good, easy to operate as well as easy to work with the styles etc, I really don't care how it looks.
And .... it would givee me the chance to be the beauty when the arranger is the beast.

Cheers
GJ

Hells Bells James,

There's a MS colour for every day of the month, a model for every day of the week, keep on changing the design
and it's begining to sound like Ketron, the unfinished symphony, I think there in the next factory. Anyway you have
been silent for a while, we have all missed you, wasn't a bad hangover after Christmas was it.

Regards

Tony

Everyone wants the KB to be the star......instead of the player.
automation has saturated the brain......in this scenario the older ways were more creative and players way more talented.
I say keep the technology simple.....and the talent at the highest caliber level possible.

You know, I've looked for that Roland logo on my K2500, can't find it anywhere... same thing with my Triton, my DX7E!, my Ensoniq's, my trombone (a Yamaha, no less!), my accordion...

I have GOT to get some decals!

Dom's been promising us this since the day the beta MS came out. Maybe with YOU at the helm, it will finally happen. You KNOW I'm a big fan of the hardware, and the concept, and all that has stopped me in the past from pulling the trigger was the lack of TOTL quality CONTENT...

When the MS finally lives up to the hype, who in their right minds is going to buy anything ELSE?

I can't wait (but I have had to for five years or more!)...

Diki,

If Leezone wanted one he would start a countdown, going to be a long one this time, Wersi comes first.

Hi Diki.

In a way what happened in the past will greatly benefit everything in the future. Function wise the system wouldn't be where it is right now without all that development.

Now that the content is on the way.... well... this should be what everyone wants so we will see.

Regards
James

My comment is restricted to the music played: horrible.
I agree with DNJ.
There is much concern about the technology when the target should be the musician

Thast because the instruments are our toys.... And grown up kids need to dream about something too....

offcourse making music is not about technollogy, but part of my hobby is, i really love to generate my own sounds, and create from the ground. Now thats where the technollogy comes in for me... The more diversity in the creative process, the more refreshing the sound...

100% agree with you James,


can you tell us more about styles that you make.
good to hear that you are making styles and sounds.

do you know what inside Q-Ranger going to change from what people already know here and recognize?

maybe Domenico can tell more