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#310179 - 03/20/10 05:14 PM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
LIONSTRACS Offline
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Hi ensnareyou, welcome back too
is not true, they have some right too.
Old OS 3.0 had many Kernel issue and the serial midi bug that some time will not load the midi hardware interface.
This was happen on the new MS with the new mainboard 64bit, like the K10N78 with PCIexpress.
This new generation mainboards are to much fast for manage the old 32bit OS 3.0, based on the OLD ubuntu 8.04 ( 6 years aold)
The MS with the old mainboard, they dont have this serial midi bugs and also they can running 3 External display.

Now from OS 4.0 all is changed, the Kubuntu 9.10 is developed for 64bit mainboard ( NOT work at all for the OLD MS with the 32bit mainboards)
New low latecy kernel 2.6.31RT that support 64Gb RAM and all serial midi drivers.
From OS 4.0 the system running always up and play the al sounds from first booting and also every time you will restart the MS application.
here the probe: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/groove/groovequad.jpg
the system is running and play from 4.38 hours, 0Ms latency and only 1 xruns with multiple asio host running.

My own RED extreme is running 24hours at days, because my developers compile and testing new features. http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/2010/raid/Raidgroove.JPG
You can see now how to complex and compact system under one 61 keys:
Quad core, raid system, 16Gb Ram..the max that is possible under AMD CPU.
Of course we have bugs too, but consider also how much is compex our MS embedded software and how many others application ( + windows applications) we have to continue control under the panel in realtime...
when you running 10 ASIO host, sampler, synth, DSP, players...are more than 36 midi PORTS to controls and the system is ready to running more than 700/1000 voices..

Some note:
Vargo: the OS 4.0/4.1 is for FREE download, for the all MS that have the PCIexpress VGA, I can NOT posting 0 euro or everybody start to download and they dont need at all. Is just for leave more free bandwich on our server.

Fran: download the OS 4.1 is for free now, I have removed the 10 euro server FEE..i saw that many clients will not pay the 10 euro too and someone continue stressing me...
On GFTP server you have also the new Live Arranger V2 and some styles, download and copy it on Presets folder ( need OS 4.1 or will not work)

Anyway we continue work here and the OS wil never stop in updates.
Maybe in the next 10 days is available for FREE the first external TFT display too, then the big upgrade Xorg server can drive up to 4 external display.
step by step...we can not make miracle..

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#310180 - 03/21/10 03:00 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
Bachus Offline
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Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 6981
Quote:
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/2010/raid/Raidgroove.JPG
You can see now how to complex and compact system under one 61 keys:
Quad core, raid system, 16Gb Ram..the max that is possible under AMD CPU.


How much noise do those big fans to the right make?
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#310181 - 03/21/10 04:05 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
AFG Music Offline
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Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 513
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Originally posted by Bachus:
How much noise do those big fans to the right make?



the fan have nothing to has nothing to do with sound quality. for the mixerboard and audio boards they using a separate power supply without fan:
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/ms-atx-switching-p-218.html

so, the sound is verry clean. MS has two fans, one power supply and a CPU fan.

The modern power supply and cpu fans are very quiet. Domenico use this in Groove

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#310182 - 03/21/10 04:34 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
Irishacts Offline
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Registered: 11/18/01
Posts: 1631
Loc: Ireland
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Originally posted by Bachus:
How much noise do those big fans to the right make?



Oohhh the bigger the fan the better. Big fans spin a lot slower but still output the same amount of air as small fans spinning loudly at a high RPM. So the bigger the fan, the less noise it makes.

Since I don't have a dB meter I will have to give a guess. To me it sounds like it's running at about 28dB. Which is in all fairness pretty acceptable considering it is a PC at heart.

Regards
James

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#310183 - 03/21/10 04:46 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
Tony Hughes Offline
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Registered: 01/30/06
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Originally posted by Irishacts:
Oohhh the bigger the fan the better. Big fans spin a lot slower but still output the same amount of air as small fans spinning loudly at a high RPM. So the bigger the fan, the less noise it makes.

Since I don't have a dB meter I will have to give a guess. To me it sounds like it's running at about 28dB. Which is in all fairness pretty acceptable considering it is a PC at heart.

Regards
James


It's when the fan stops it's time to start worrying, there a lot of heat being generated inside that MS when the wooden stake is taken out and the lid closed, let the fan run you won't hear it over sweet music a pair of 500 watt speaker, just tell them to get on with it James! Where are you next clips anyway, Sunday is no day of rest with a MS.
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#310184 - 03/21/10 04:54 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
AFG Music Offline
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Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 513
Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Oohhh the bigger the fan the better. Big fans spin a lot slower but still output the same amount of air as small fans spinning loudly at a high RPM. So the bigger the fan, the less noise it makes.

Since I don't have a dB meter I will have to give a guess. To me it sounds like it's running at about 28dB. Which is in all fairness pretty acceptable considering it is a PC at heart.

Regards
James


only you have not same fan as Domenico.you have orginal AMD dualcore fan, it is very good fan, he has a quad core fan and is not a orginal AMD fan, i think his fan is about 25 euro:
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/034/scsk1000_detail.html

and he has a power suppply more then 500 W and you have 350 W with small fan. but the MS and Groove have the same sound quality becouse the PC power supply has nothing to do with audio boards power supply

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#310185 - 03/21/10 05:03 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
Bachus Offline
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Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 6981
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Originally posted by AFG Music:
only you have not same fan as Domenico.you have orginal AMD dualcore fan, it is very good fan, he has a quad core fan and is not a orginal AMD fan, i think his fan is about 25 euro:
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/034/scsk1000_detail.html

and he has a power suppply more then 500 W and you have 350 W with small fan. but the MS and Groove have the same sound quality becouse the PC power supply has nothing to do with audio boards power supply


Great...

So it seems like James Mediastation is noisier then necessary.. I prefer my PC equipment with less then 20db noise, meusured a 30 cm distance from the case.

With a passive power supply and big fans that must be possible for sure, its good to hear that DOm's machine uses the low noise parts, but it would be great if they also found their way to the finalized systems.
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#310186 - 03/21/10 05:12 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
Irishacts Offline
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Registered: 11/18/01
Posts: 1631
Loc: Ireland
Hi vagro.

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1) Thanks James for trying the new OS 4 (4.1). I need to know if, in this newer OS, most bugs were repaired. I decided not to spend a penny on this keyboard until I know as a fact that the system is finally stable. You all should know that for older owners upgrading the MS is not for free: OS 4/4.1= 190 euros; new PCI Express VGA LVDS= 130 euros; plus new motherboard, micro and RAM (prices vary according the country). For me more than Us$ 650. For sure this will have to be done regularly (every 1 or 2 years). Unfortunately those who bought the MS while it was in an “experimental” stage are forced to spend that money to “upgrade” the unit. Not fair (yes, I know, I had a special discount for mine)


Then I hope what I'm doing will answer your questions in time as I get to each system. The way I'm doing this people can see that I'm not just scratching the surface, I'm using the features for everything they offer so if there are cracks in the system, they will be found.

So far I've posted information / video's on one system and I can tell you that this function works flawlessly.

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2) I am not impressed by the demos yet. Excellent sound but that’s expected from any VST or Giga sound.


Ok, but just bear in mind that you expected the Giga sounds to sound excellent only because you already own a Mediastation. Most people reading and watching the video's would never have access to sounds like that at all on their closed keybards.

I know, it's easy to take things like this for granted on the Mediastation because it does run them effortlessly, but remember it's impossible for any other keyboard to do this.

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3) There is a longer learning curve in open keyboards and you never stop learning. Some people faster some people slower BUT you ALWAYS make mistakes and the keyboard is not supposed to crash easily. James, please tell us how many times you had to reboot the MS so far.


For crashes 0 because it has never crashed.

For losing sound on the selected HOST, maybe 5 or 6 times but this is limited to the HOST and only caused by me turn off and on the RUN option of the HOST. I haven't really bothered to even look at the problem yet because I know how to avoid it. So when I stop the host from running maybe I'm suppoed to do something else when I run it again, or maybe there is a bug here.

I don't know yet because I haven't bothered trying to find out as it's not that important and it only happens when I stop the host and try run it again. It does not effect any other system.

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4) A last opinion. As an arranger I think the regular user will NEVER succeed to create a better style than the big brands unless you bring to your studio the Yamaha/Roland/Korg team. Tell me how to recreate or program the Mega voices or Korg guitar voices.


Can't really comment on that yet because I haven't even played a style on it yet. All I can say is from what I understand, nobody is expected to create styles. That why it loads Yamaha and Ketron format.

If selecting new sounds for each part of the style is much the same on the Meidastation as a KORG, then it should be dead easy to al this.

We will see though.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-21-2010).]

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#310187 - 03/21/10 05:14 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
AFG Music Offline
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Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 513
Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Great...

So it seems like James Mediastation is noisier then necessary.. I prefer my PC equipment with less then 20db noise, meusured a 30 cm distance from the case.

With a passive power supply and big fans that must be possible for sure, its good to hear that DOm's machine uses the low noise parts, but it would be great if they also found their way to the finalized systems.



i did not said taht James MS makes noises. the orginal AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.80 GHz is modern cpu with a very good fan:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Athlon_II_X2_240/images/athlon_x2_240_contents .jpg

Domenico use other fan becouse he has a very extreme Groove, so he needs the fan and power supply he used.


and passive fanless CPU coolers are heavy and not good as the one with fan. The most powerd mixers and amplifiers have built-in fan. fans has no effect on MS sounds. The MS has two power supply. 1 with fan for PC parts and 1 fanless for audio Parts



[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-21-2010).]

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#310188 - 03/21/10 05:42 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.
Irishacts Offline
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Registered: 11/18/01
Posts: 1631
Loc: Ireland
Of all things to worry about I think fan noise is the last thing I'd ever worry about.

It's perfectly normal and totally acceptable. It sounds exactly like a quality PC running. No big deal.

What else would anyone expect since it is a PC at heart. It's not like this effects the Audio Output in anyway.

Regards
James

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