Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today.

Posted by: Irishacts

Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/16/10 08:27 PM

Hi all.
Nothing much to share just yet, just two photo's.
http://www.irishacts.com/lionstracs/lionstracs1.jpg
http://www.irishacts.com/lionstracs/lionstracs2.jpg

I got it at 5pm today so I've only had a few hours so far just playing around with it. Mainly all I'm doing is just navigating my way around, loading and trying out the sounds, giga files, VSTi's and so on. So basically I'm not up to much with it just yet, purely just taking my time and exploring the system.

This is going to be my gigging machine, so lots of work to be done. I need to get my sounds and plug-ins installed. I'm also going to be streaming audio so it will be interesting to see how all this ties in. Basically I want the sound of my entire Studio with me while I'm gigging so I will be sequencing everything in the Studio and dumping it off as Audio Tracks to stream on the night with the Mediastation. I'll then play over those with Giga sounds or VSTi's.

Just did some basic testing on this tonight and the Media Players are dead easy to operate. So much so I can't see myself needing to crosfade to the second media player. I would probably just use one because you can cue up the next song in the media player while the first one is playing. Pressing play it jump straight to the song.

It's actually faster than using Sequenced data on the night which is what I've always done. Plus there's no sequencer memory limitation so I can have my entire nights performance on the screen in alphabetical order.

Anyway.... if anyone wants me to report on something just shout. I'll obviously post audio and video as time goes by, but if there's anything you want to know, ask away.

Regards
James
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/16/10 10:30 PM

Just to get this sorted upfront James.
Did you pay for it, or ws it given to you by Domenico either gifted or for whatever other reason.

And good luck, as Domenico has a vested interest, I am sure he will make himself FAR more accessible to you than all the others before you.

I think you are astute enough to understand the premise behind the question.

Dennis
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/16/10 11:29 PM

Hi Dennis.

I will and always will be upfront and totally honest. I will not hide any truths and I certainly won't hold back if I find any issues I deem unacceptable. I have never done so in the past and that will never change in the future regardless of what company it is. Just ask KORG. I've stood on my soap box on KORG Forums many times in my years, and I own the place so my voice is a little louder than most.

In short, I cannot be bought out, and I will never hide the truth.

So with that said, in total the Mediastation cost me 315 Euro. It's a B-Stock Mediastation which Domenico gave to me for free, but between hardware upgrades I wanted and the shipping to Ireland it cost me 315 Euro.

I would also like to point out that I'm not under any terms and conditions to do anything for Lionstracs with the Meidastation. I have not been asked to do anything with it by Domenico as part of any agreement in getting the keyboard.

The reason why I will record demos and videos is for a number of reasons. For far too long it's been very difficult to get clear information on now things work or hear demo's the way people needed to hear them. It was even almost like a secret club where owners of the Mediastation wouldn't share any information at all and Lionstracs demo's in my opinion didn't answer the questions I had as a musician. Now that I have one I can help by communicating as a musician to fellow musicians.

Meaning, I'm not going to show people the screen flicking mad through different VSTi's and pages, I'm going to play the keyboard and record it's output digitally as to me it needs to be a musical instrument first and a seamless PC second.

I know you had issues in the past with your one. I was all over those threads myself moaning and saying that things were unacceptable, but like with anything, if Lionstracs can get things in order then all can be forgiven. Right now I'm on Ketrons back over their OS4.0 for example. Soon they will have the Audya at a point where it should have been on it's release date and then we move on. For Lionstracs I think it's much the same situation. From what I gather the problems you had where OS released and they had something to do with the Video board. The new OS and a replacement video board would solve all that now from what I gather.

Which might explain why I haven't noticed anything odd yet. The unit I have is running on the new OS4.0 and I assume the graphics card was replaced out as well as the fact that I've got the latest motherboard, faster CPU and double the ram. So in a way it's closer to the speed of the Groove X6 I'd imagine. Probably even the same PC parts.

Hope that makes my position crystal clear for everyone.

Regards
James.
Posted by: Nigel

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/16/10 11:29 PM

I really look forward to hearing how it progresses. Thanks very much for letting us know you are working with it.
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/16/10 11:41 PM

Terrific James...I personally thought you would be that forthright and honest, but I ws sorta kinda playing devils advocate. If you get my drift.

Now everyone will know, and the veracity of your future comments cannot be doubted

I, like Nigel, am eagerly awaiting how you go with it. As you say, if Lionstracs have addressed issues, sheesh I might even buy one again myself

A nice 61 note version to go with the S70XS.

I must say it IS great to see someone with an MS who has far more experience and knowledge of whats required than me

I look forward to your comments

Dennis
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/16/10 11:45 PM

As a VST machine, and a keyboard to actually play there is nothing to match it. I have always said that.

The video card issues were more Linux based, and that JACK was a real p.i.t.a. But from what I have read the JACK software has been severely upgraded so the audio system dropouts may not affect you.

Anyway, I will not say too much more, Id rather hear positive reports from the new MS series.

Dennis
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/16/10 11:57 PM

James,

Great to hear it's arrived, bet it's got a backup disk with it, photo 2 looks like it, don't they do it in green. Good luck with it, if you wanted to buy one in the UK where would you get one from.James which Asrock motherboard are they using, chip and memory.

Regards

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Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 12:38 AM

Hi All.

You know there is something about James when you read his text it somehow distinctively makes sense and he appears to be a professional at what he does, so much so that someone has offered him a very expensive KB, FOC for him to try and test, now that’s got to be a first and surely puts James in pole position in the KB assessment hierarchy club. I hold him in high regard, can I have it when you finished with it, bet James has a 40 page report on the KB before I get OS4, somehow think you won’t get an Audya the same way James, unless it comes in kit form.
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 01:21 AM

Tony does EVERYTHING have to cycle back to the Audya...

Can we at least keep THIS thread unsullied by that word, and all associated words.

Whether it's tounge-in-cheek or not, please desist.

As many comments and questions re the Media Station as you like, would be most welcomed instead I would think

Dennis
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 04:38 AM

Congratulations james, if you need help,if you need help let us know.

I hope that your experience with MS encourages people to buy it.
Posted by: Ensnareyou

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 04:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
Just to get this sorted upfront James.
Did you pay for it, or ws it given to you by Domenico either gifted or for whatever other reason.

And good luck, as Domenico has a vested interest, I am sure he will make himself FAR more accessible to you than all the others before you.

I think you are astute enough to understand the premise behind the question.

Dennis


I've never known Domenic to not be accessible to all Mediastation owners or even those who weren't owners but had questions about the product. Considering he's the CEO of the company and access to his e-mail and contact information is so readily available, I have to wonder why you'd make a statement implying that James would get better support than others. When's the last time you had the CEO of Roland, Korg, Yamaha, or any other manufacturer respond to you?
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 06:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ensnareyou:
I've never known Domenic to not be accessible to all Mediastation owners or even those who weren't owners but had questions about the product. Considering he's the CEO of the company and access to his e-mail and contact information is so readily available, I have to wonder why you'd make a statement implying that James would get better support than others. When's the last time you had the CEO of Roland, Korg, Yamaha, or any other manufacturer respond to you?



totally agree with you.

For exsample:

users and non-usera have asked for software options, which they quickly got.

I hope james let people know how easy this system works. The system is sometimes much easier than other arrangers. only you must learn to work with.

james you can even create your own GM2/GS sound bank with your own giga format sounds.

so, if you are oriental user, you can make it oriental with GM2/GS soundbank, and if you are west, you can make it west, if you do not like GM2/GS sounds, just replace them with new one or create totally new GM2/GS soundbank.

soon linuxsampler wil support SFZ soundfonts to.
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 06:58 AM

Hi Tony.

Quote:
Good luck with it, if you wanted to buy one in the UK where would you get one from.


No idea really. You would probably need to buy it online before seeing it which is always a hard decision to make. I've had to do that myself for as long as I've been playing keyboards. You don't get fancy music shops here in Ireland you know. Thomann pretty much screwed up all the stores here as they couldn't compete with Thomann prices.

I called a few friends myself last night just to let them know I have it so they are all dropping out to the Studio Thursday night. This is kind of how we have to do it here. Once someone gets something new, the invitation goes out to all the public performing keyboard players in my City.

It's real nice that we are all so close actually.

Quote:
James which Asrock motherboard are they using, chip and memory.


The CPU is a dual core AMD II X240 2.8ghz. Mother board is a K10N78, and I have no idea what make the RAM is. I would have to open her up to see that and I don't fancy doing that just yet. I do have 4GB though.

Speed wise it's lighten fast. Jumping between desktops even when lots of things are running does not seem to slow down the system at all. I probably won't be really be able to put it under pressure until I get my own sample libraries up and running on it.

Some of my personal giga files contain many layers and be well over the 1GB file size mark, so it will be interesting to see them running on the system later because on bootup it loads a GM/GS library of Giga files and flipping through them is not a all much different from a standard closed keyboard working off the ROM.

I'm not loading any of my own data just yet because I have OS4.0 installed and 4.1 is available. So the second I upgrade to that, then I will be loading on all my own software and sounds. Not that there is anything wrong with what it comes with, it's just that I've got some very good libraries.

My favourite being Symphony Of Voices by Eric Persng, and second favourite being World Winds by Dirk Campbell.

Regards
James
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 07:32 AM

Hi AFG Music

Quote:
I hope james let people know how easy this system works. The system is sometimes much easier than other arrangers. only you must learn to work with.


I think it's safe to say it's a bit of both really. There is a steep learning curve as it's an entirely different concept to a closed keyboard, plus it can do infinitely more things. Once you start dropping things into place though it does become ridiculously easy to recall anything you have previously setup.

Which is what I had hoped for. It's fine being able to load what you want into it, but when your gigging you don't want to have to see any of those things. You just want to press a button and have them recalled and routed to the keys, which thankfully is how it works.

It's quite amusing actually to flip through Giga Files as if they are just ROM sounds on a closed keyboard.

It's still very early days yet though. I won't really get to test the system until I get OS 4.1 installed and my own software running on it. That said, I have noticed one odd thing so far that I will have to investigate further. I created a layered COMBI sound with piano on my right hand and strings on my left. While in EDIT mode setting up everything the keyboard performed as expected. However when I saved and exited, the Strings was gone form my left hand and had been replaced with a Piano sound even though it still listed the Strings on the screen. Entering back into EDIT mode and I could hear the sounds performing normally again. Exiting again and I had the piano back on the left hand. I then left the system and when I came back the COMBI sound had corrected itself. So, that's something I will be trying to replicate. Don't know if it's me doing something stupid or the keyboard.

Regards
James
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 07:52 AM

if you upgrade the O.S, first make a backup from your home folder on a external harddrive (giga library-video libeary-mp3 library-wav library-VST libray- wine C libray this a hiden folder so you most choose show hiden folders-midi songs library-qstyle library....................)

why this?

becouse if you want update:

you get 2 options.

1- keep data on harddrive
2- format entire harddrive

you can use option 1 to hold your data on home folder.

or totally new installation option 2 but you most copy again your backup to home folder from external harddrive

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Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 08:05 AM

Thanks for that.
I'd prefer to go for a full format so option 2 would be the one for me so I will do as you say and make a backup. I may as well do that now actually since I have to wait until Domenico updates my account on his store to access the files.

Regards
James
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 08:22 AM

is better to copy entire home folder to a external harddrive if you like to use option 2.

in the case that you forget something, do not forget that wine folder is hiden folder you most on home folder on top menu select view and then select show hiden folders. this .wine folder is the only folder from hiden folders that you need to copy to external harddrive. when the new O.S is installed you most again select again show hiden folders and copy this folder from external harddrive to the MS home folder. inside this folder are the all vst you got with MS.
Posted by: Gunnar Jonny

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 09:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hope that makes my position crystal clear for everyone.


Yes Sir!

Looks like St Claus came early to your area this year.

Happy exploring and reporting!
Cheers
GJ
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 11:03 AM

Good luck with your exciting voyage intoo the MEdiastation James...

I'll be wayting here for your updates, reviews and honest opinions about an Instrument that should change the future of arrangers once and for all...

What the instrument needs most is a huge library of user created content, free for sharing as is offcourse part of the Linux way of thinking.
Posted by: KFingers

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 11:05 AM

Hey Domenic, I have 315 Euros if you have any more.

Seriously though, I think this is great news. I'm sure we can get a reasonably unbiased view from James and look forward to what he has to say. We have all agreed with the concept in the past and now hopefully this can be proven.

I know that it is now touted as a workstation rather than an arranger (oops sorry Diki/Ian) but I wuld still be interested to see how the OMB etc. software can be made to work.

Looking forward to your reviews James.

Regards - Keith
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 12:30 PM

James

Good luck with the KB , it just goes to show the Asrock Motherboard and AMD chip in that KB is less than £100.00 to buy in the UK and that’s the main brains, masses of MEM, DVD Drive, USB2,that's the way to build a KB with parts that if they go wrong you can get them off the shelf and anyone can just plug in and turn on.


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Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 01:32 PM

Hi Tony.
It's a benefit for sure, but I'd bet the PC components only make up for half the entire system if even that. Remember behind every connection, interface and button are lionstracs custom boards.

Lucky enough some of those parts are available direct too.

Regards
James
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 01:51 PM

here can you see inside MS Expanded PRO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doBCM73CTNw

and here inside Groove-RED Extreme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoIbTz1-1RI

the video are made by domenico himself
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 02:42 PM

At this stage I've done enough with the Gigasampler function that I can comment on it with confidence. The way the system is setup you can copy your giga files to a folder on the internal hard disk and then assign them to Program so that the Giga sounds are displayed on the screen much like a factory sound would appear on a typical keyboard.

So after you import them calling up a sound is as complicated as touching the Progarm sound just like you do on any touch screen keyboard, or you can press the button besude the name as you do on normal non touch screen keyboards. It's quite an odd feeling actually to be able to navigate Giga libraries in this manner as it makes them very much like every day use files regardless of their size. It also makes no difference what library each file is from, they can all be placed into the same Progarm banks and navigated as if they where just normal workstation sounds.

I've imported all of Symphony Of Voices and the average size of a program sound is 32MB. The delay between changing sounds is actually WAY faster than a KORG as the effects don't get cut off and the actual loading of the file when you select the program sound is only a fraction of a second. Too short to time actually.

For larger files, currently the biggest file I've tested is a 489MB file (A Classical Harp)and that loads in just under one second. So that makes even very large giga files feel like your just throwing around typical factory sounds on a typical keyboard, only you obviously have the far superior sound due to the size.

The master effects consists of Chorus, Reverb and Echo. They are always available and routing sounds to them as simple as adjusting the send value in your program followed by pressing enter to save the changes. Much like you do on a normal keybaord too. If you want more effects outside the basics then you need to launch a VST effects plugin of your choice.

So that's the Gigasampler function. It's dead easy to operate, navigating sounds once they are imported is no different than working with a typical workstation. Loading times are super fast even for large files. The effects don't cut off so typically changing sounds is seamless.

More to come on other systems.

Regards
James

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Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 03:13 PM

james after some times, maybe some weeks if you make your own GM/GS soundbank or make the present bank bigger, you will see that it works even faster!
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 04:04 PM

Bravo James
In just one day you have learn more than the others MS users in one month...
Just need to understand the new concept, but with your PC skill you will learn all easy is some weeks.

At the end..if you only navigate on the MS OS and panel, is not like to one embedded keyb?
Remember also that you can full navigate without use the mouse and qverty keyboard.
Note tips for you:
on the DATA fiels, you have the LEFT and RIGHT arrow that are emulating the left/right click mouse.
Press the key: CALL ( now named V.keyb on Groove) will run up the Vitrual Qverty keyboard.
We have also embedded 3 more keys features: COPY, PASTE, DELETE, ( under the performance area) just press it and will also display the message popup.
More easy and fast like that...
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 04:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
here can you see inside MS Expanded PRO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doBCM73CTNw

and here inside Groove-RED Extreme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoIbTz1-1RI

the video are made by domenico himself



well...this is my OWN upgraded Groove Extreme: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/Raidgroove.JPG
RAID SATA HD, 2X 1Tb, Double fast booting and for loading BIG library.
Expaned to the max possible with the K10N78: 16Gb RAM : http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/groove/16gbRam.jpg
CPU Quad core AMD Phenom II X4-965, 4X3400Mhz

THIS is a PC power system with LOW latency, close the 0ms! http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/groove/groovequad.jpg


Anyway James, enjoy now your MS and let me see some pictures when you go gig live!
cheers
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 04:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
well...this is my OWN upgraded Groove Extreme: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/Raidgroove.JPG
RAID SATA HD, 2X 1Tb, Double fast booting and for loading BIG library.
Expaned to the max possible with the K10N78: 16Gb RAM : http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/groove/16gbRam.jpg
CPU Quad core AMD Phenom II X4-965, 4X3400Mhz

THIS is a PC power system with LOW latency, close the 0ms! http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/groove/groovequad.jpg


Anyway James, enjoy now your MS and let me see some pictures when you go gig live!
cheers


cool, you have raid harddrives, double speed!!!

maybe soon you come here with more interesting news!
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 11:30 PM

I look forward to hearing your reports and music, James. Glad it is in the hands of someone that can make good music (mind, you, it is strange it never was before )...

I don't honestly think there was any 'secret club'. Everyone that had one here posted music by it. Just all excruciatingly bad

It sounds from your description that you don't really intend to use it as an arranger, though, or am I reading you wrong? I hope so, because all I ever wanted to hear was someone make this thing live up to its' potential as an arranger. Still, anything will be good.

I've got my €315 sitting on my bedside table, ready to go, should Dom ever want me to make something out of it, too!
Posted by: lukitoh

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 11:45 PM

Dom: if I were you, I would give away one of your mediastation to Diki. It's money well spent I think.

Ask him to honestly evaluate your gear and provide valuable inputs.

You would potentially (or the reverse might happen) SHUT down the WORST critic of your gear in the market and possibly turned him to a convert and possibly make him your biggest promotor at least here in synthzone.

just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/17/10 11:54 PM

I think Dom has always worried about the reverse happening!

Unfortunately, I think Dennis provided that, here at least. He's a sophisticated arranger user, and tried to get it to work as a gigging arranger to the best of his ability. No luck...

I doubt I would succeed where he failed.

But if Dom's got another B-Stock lying around, I'd be happy to give it the old school try...
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 12:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Unfortunately, I think Dennis provided that, here at least. He's a sophisticated arranger user, and tried to get it to work as a gigging arranger to the best of his ability. No luck...

I doubt I would succeed where he failed.

But if Dom's got another B-Stock lying around, I'd be happy to give it the old school try...


Yes indeed, as an arranger it just did not stack up. And I notice on the screen shots, the arranger section looks like it still has no option for on-bass, or slash chords...

I have always, always, ALWAYS said it is a super keyboard, great keybed, good sound quality, a super VST and Giga sample machine, great for playing backing MP3s etc etc,

It was JUST the arranger section, oh , and some flaky audio software and the bloody performance section (thats where it was supposed to take a "snapshot" of the entire setup to be recalled at a gig or later) that kept freezing the entire OS everytime you tried to load on, that turned me off it.

As I said way earlier in this thread, if these issues have been addressed in the latest models, I may even consider buying one again.

As a request to James, I wonder if you can load up the Irish Grand ans see how it goes?

And if it still has it, the performance saving and recalling.

Dennis
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 02:18 AM

I know everyone is keen to see how James new keyboard works out . Lets just see what happens. We all know about the previous troubles the MS users have had and the comments are valid but hopefully if we could just let James make his observations first after thoroughly reviewing and exploring the instrument all our past concerns might be laid to rest. Maybe at a later date james can look at the arranger function of thge MS but right now i understand that he is looking to use it for live gigging in place of the Oasys. Those are some big shoes to fill and if it works out this could be the turning point for the MS.

Lets just see how it works out
Posted by: abacus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 02:59 AM

The Arranger section is no longer a priority for the MS as it is being promoted as a workstation.

The QArranger is still available if you wish to create your own styles, or convert Midi files to styles. (If I read it correctly, unlike a normal arranger the QArranger has 16 tracks rather then 8, and multiple parts so that those that want multiple Fills, Intros, variations etc. can do so)

All other arranger functions will require the optional Livetyler software which provides all the easy play functions people crave. (Just remember that it uses generic sounds, so some work will be required to bring the style up to personal preference)
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 03:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by abacus:
The Arranger section is no longer a priority for the MS as it is being promoted as a workstation.

The QArranger is still available if you wish to create your own styles, or convert Midi files to styles. (If I read it correctly, unlike a normal arranger the QArranger has 16 tracks rather then 8, and multiple parts so that those that want multiple Fills, Intros, variations etc. can do so)

All other arranger functions will require the optional Livetyler software which provides all the easy play functions people crave. (Just remember that it uses generic sounds, so some work will be required to bring the style up to personal preference)



wrong, with qranger you have


-unlimated midi and audio tracks.

-32 chords separately programmable (for every chord you can create midi+audio tracks with different sounds. but if you record only Major chord, qranger calculates the other chords automatically when you play live.

-32 marker pointers (every marker point can have own bpm-and beat/measure. this is option asked by me)

-8 intro-8 variation-8 fill in-8end

-you can conect it with MS synth or other external Asio VST on MS.

-you do not have to slice audio loops, you can set the right bpm with zplane elastique pro.

-you can put every audio loop you want in more then one track(not only one track for audio or drums loops on style like korg.)

-you can edit the style midi events+controller+changes to.

-you can see the notes that you have recorded on clip editor.

-and more.............

contain some of you think that no pro musicians use this product. now I think not, because not every one wants to write forum messages. There are pro musicians who have only one site or no site, but perhaps they have good songs arranged, as you know the song but not the arranger of the song. For example,do you know the creators of your supposedly pro styles in your keyboard?

not only the members here on from are pro.

You have many talents that you have not even heard the name.

it is not work of MS / Groove users to prove that this product is best for their work. go and purchase one MS / Groove and see whether they are right or not and if this product is good for you. I think after james experience you wil feel at least a bit that you were wrong all the time with your comments at MS / Groove and MS/GRoove users.


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Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 08:13 AM

Let James learning deeph the MS OS and then i'm sure that will demostrate some amazing.
I have upload on the GFTP server some new Audio styles made from Tastenpoint.at with qranger, with the all Real Audio drums.
You can download it and testing on your MS too, seem like that you will play the Audya styles..
In two weeks Helmut learn how to programming with qranger and now is some hours can develope a new Audio style from scratch.

If james can do the same and use the 16-32 patterns system is the same way like the Oasys, but here no limits of audio-midi tracks.
I have patience...
Just for your know, I'm not always here to reading your all post, because soon we will open a new company and building,for a totally new differents products ( no MI, someone there already know what I prepare.. )
So..my time now is shared for TWO company.
regards
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 08:17 AM

ah...forget..
End April we are ready for shipping the Groove X-7, RED and BLACK version. ( James can confirm..)
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 08:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
ah...forget..
End April we are ready for shipping the Groove X-7, RED and BLACK version. ( James can confirm..)


so, is not secret anymore. lol.......
Posted by: Magica Alfa

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 08:59 AM

James

Welcome on board.

If you need some technical help I'm here.

SEE YOU SOON.
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 09:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
Let James learning deeph the MS OS and then i'm sure that will demostrate some amazing.
I have upload on the GFTP server some new Audio styles made from Tastenpoint.at with qranger, with the all Real Audio drums.
You can download it and testing on your MS too, seem like that you will play the Audya styles..
In two weeks Helmut learn how to programming with qranger and now is some hours can develope a new Audio style from scratch.

If james can do the same and use the 16-32 patterns system is the same way like the Oasys, but here no limits of audio-midi tracks.
I have patience...
Just for your know, I'm not always here to reading your all post, because soon we will open a new company and building,for a totally new differents products ( no MI, someone there already know what I prepare.. )
So..my time now is shared for TWO company.
regards


I'd love to hear those new audio styles, but can't find the demo's anywhere, maybe someone could provide a link
Posted by: keybplayer

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 09:40 AM

I was under the impression that Lionstracs has discontinued their "76" key version of the Mediastation. The only 76 key I see on the website is "close out" models and the dual manual Organ thing-a-ma-jig. That's why I said in an earlier post that I thought Lionstracs was "out of sync" "up in the air" and quite frankly "out of touch" with a good portion of Arranger players. So, not only are Dom's arranger workstations now relegated to 61 keys only apparently (except the "fire sale" items), they STILL cost an arm and a leg to boot. Or rather... I have to say though that the "fire sale" Mediastation's are a bargain.

Such is life when the Manufacturers can smell "gullibility" a mile a way and "pounce" on their targets like a Lion - (s)trac. Yammie, Korg, and Roland are all guilty too so it's not like I'm singling out Dom. OTOH, maybe Casio WILL release a high-end Arranger at Musikmesse this month and perhaps it will "undercut" the competition's cost considerably. All things considered, I would gladly spend two or three "thousand" 'less' on the Casio if indeed Casio musters an acceptable offering that is full featured and has at least 128 note polyphony. And in a 76 key version of course.

All the best,
Mike
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 11:56 AM

Hi Dennis.

Quote:
As a request to James, I wonder if you can load up the Irish Grand ans see how it goes?


I can go one better than that. The Irish Grand is very detailed but its still a cut down version of the original recordings I made and I have already assembled another piano from the original recordings into a giga file.

The file size is far too big for closed keybaords but on the Mediastation it's ideal. Loads in about a 1.5 second . Promise, demo's are coming. I just need to get a few other things out of the way her first.
Quote:
And if it still has it, the performance saving and recalling.


Will do.

Regards
James
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 11:57 AM

76 and 88 key mediastations will be available again for sure.... but currently the production cycle (handmade) will do the Groove models first...
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 12:39 PM

Hi Diki.

Quote:
Glad it is in the hands of someone that can make good music (mind, you, it is strange it never was before


Thanks.
AS for getting my hands on one before, I did play one a few years back. Domenico doesn't know this but he has meet me in Germany at the Musik Messe in 2006. He actually gave me a quick little demo but I never introduced myself because I was out there with KORG at the time.

I took many pictures too. I think there's some online............. ok found one.


If anyone wants to browse the other photos I took that day CLICK HERE . There's a few nice DJ photos

Quote:
I don't honestly think there was any 'secret club'. Everyone that had one here posted music by it. Just all excruciatingly bad


lol... Your mean
It begs the question though how is that even possible. Just booting the keyboard up and jumping to the first sound in Linux sampler sounds fantastic.

Quote:
It sounds from your description that you don't really intend to use it as an arranger, though, or am I reading you wrong? I hope so, because all I ever wanted to hear was someone make this thing live up to its' potential as an arranger. Still, anything will be good.


Unfortunately having to call singers is unavoidable So yes, it will be used to back singers, but I won't be singing to the arranger functions.

When I'm singing it will be streaming audio and running VSTi's as well as Giga files.

Regards
James
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 01:10 PM

James,

To be honest I have never heard a tune or song played from start to finish on a LIONSTRACS anything, I don't think there is any snippets anywhere of someone playing one, buggering about on one yes, but seriously making sweet music no, any idea why. Is it not from playing on surely you are going to knock out a jig or two on your for us sometime soon.

Regards
Tony
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 01:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi Dennis.

Will do.

Regards
James


Great, thanks m8

That being the case (the FULL sample set) the Irish Grand should sound so sweet!! I will look forward to hearing it.

Cheers
Dennis
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 09:00 PM

Hi Everyone.
I found some time tonight to record some video footage. The following files are in mp4 format and recorded in HD (720p) so expect large file sizes. YouTube won't let me upload tonight for some odd reason so I'm going to host these off my own server for a while.

01 – Introduction
Just a quick video of me talking about the video's and what's to come.
Click to Download - 94MB

02 – Loading and setting up giga files.
In this video I show how you can assign Giga files to slots on the screen so that they can be recalled at any time with a single press of a button. The audio is a direct line so you can also listen to the quality of the sounds in this video.
Click to Download - 500MB

03 – Piano Performance.
A short performance of me playing an original tune on straight piano.
Click to Download – 139MB

Kind Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-18-2010).]
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 11:19 PM

Nice vidoe's James, the piano sounds great for a giga sample, but still there are some better sounding piano vst's around. I like truepiano's a lot... the physical modelling adds a lot of body to the piano sound. Nevertheless this might be the best piano sound i ever heard comming from an arranger keyboard.

Keep them comming these video's, It feels like finally we will be getting to know the true possibilities of the Mediastation..

Can't wayt till we get to hear some styles playing on Q-ranger or the Live styler...

[This message has been edited by Bachus (edited 03-18-2010).]
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/18/10 11:49 PM

Finally finished uploading the giga sample instruction video

And those pipes sound just totally awesome
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 02:11 AM

awesome videos James, compliment!
the deal start to match...
I just send you the new Live-Arranger V2, copy it on your preset folder and play! Now work really nice!
Is configured to play with the Giga Sounbank GM/GS.
record a new video so you can make happy someone there
regards
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 05:48 AM

finally see members now how easily the MS works and it really sounds. Nice video james
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 05:54 AM

james, here a free good sample piano from sonart audio site:
http://sonart.cc/shop/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=210

it is a SONART - 'YAMAHA C7 GRAND PIANO',it sound verry good ans it is giga format
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 10:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
james, here a free good sample piano from sonart audio site:
http://sonart.cc/shop/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=210

it is a SONART - 'YAMAHA C7 GRAND PIANO',it sound verry good ans it is giga format


I knew James would do a proper job of demos on this KB, playing two hands and all, can't say I have seen that before on a MS.
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 10:38 AM

James,

Even if the MS is crap musically , it looks great, and if the lights in the room go out you will still be able to see you way to the exits with the MS leds. Can you see to play with the glare from the LEDS.
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 10:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tony Hughes:
I knew James would do a proper job of demos on this KB, playing two hands and all, can't say I have seen that before on a MS.


I think then you never saw some videos demo on youtube..
here some examples.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKPAGhLeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrwM4RvJgu8

give many others.
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 11:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
I think then you never saw some videos demo on youtube..
here some examples.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKPAGhLeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrwM4RvJgu8

give many others.



Well if you like that sort of thing, sounds like all mumbo jumbo to me! Maybe it's my hearing aids need new batteries. Please don't post anymore, well not for me. Your demo men are letting you down listen to this all the way through, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Wnf4sqcFc&feature=related

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Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 11:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tony Hughes:
I knew James would do a proper job of demos on this KB, playing two hands and all, can't say I have seen that before on a MS.


if you had a MS like james, then I said to you too that, this piano sample cd is a free download from sonart audio and that it is giga format. have you seen the price of the CD before that was free for download?

is something wrong to propose someone to download something from the site of the producer,100% legal for free?




[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-19-2010).]
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 12:34 PM

can someone convert sharpes clips to some other format as i dont have quick time on my computer
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 12:52 PM

maybe someone can use youtube, if james agree with that.

download and use this player:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html

[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-19-2010).]
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 01:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi Everyone.
I found some time tonight to record some video footage. The following files are in mp4 format and recorded in HD (720p) so expect large file sizes. YouTube won't let me upload tonight for some odd reason so I'm going to host these off my own server for a while.

01 – Introduction
Just a quick video of me talking about the video's and what's to come.
Click to Download - 94MB

02 – Loading and setting up giga files.
In this video I show how you can assign Giga files to slots on the screen so that they can be recalled at any time with a single press of a button. The audio is a direct line so you can also listen to the quality of the sounds in this video.
Click to Download - 500MB

03 – Piano Performance.
A short performance of me playing an original tune on straight piano.
Click to Download – 139MB

Kind Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-18-2010).]


James,

Brilliant, can we see the full KB in your demos, those pipes are incredible, where did you get those from. There’s a few people on SZ gone rather silent James, wonder why and dare I say it it’s half the price of the ……………………. Keep the samples coming, no sleep tonight James and no pubing it!
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 01:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tony Hughes:
James,

Brilliant, can we see the full KB in your demos, those pipes are incredible, where did you get those from. There’s a few people on SZ gone rather silent James, wonder why and dare I say it it’s half the price of the ……………………. Keep the samples coming, no sleep tonight James and no pubing it!


do you want to buy one MS or Groove?
Posted by: Gunnar Jonny

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 03:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by spalding1968:
can someone convert sharpes clips to some other format as i dont have quick time on my computer


VLC mediaplayer is free and play this and most other formats without problem

GJ
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 03:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny:
VLC mediaplayer is free and play this and most other formats without problem

GJ



I've already given the link for VLC free player for download
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 05:38 PM

Hi Bachus.

Quote:
the piano sounds great for a giga sample, but still there are some better sounding piano vst's around. I like truepiano's a lot... the physical modelling adds a lot of body to the piano sound. Nevertheless this might be the best piano sound i ever heard comming from an arranger keyboar


Yeah, I think it goes without saying regardless of what sample library you use it will never best Modelling Technology. Wait until I get to the VSTi parts and start using PianoTeq.

I guess the point really is at this stage though look at what you can do. Giga Files are no problem for the keyboard, the same should be true for Modelling Technology when I get around to testing it.

Quote:
Keep them comming these video's, It feels like finally we will be getting to know the true possibilities of the Mediastation..
Can't wayt till we get to hear some styles playing on Q-ranger or the Live styler...


Will do, and thanks for the feedback.

Quote:
And those pipes sound just totally awesome


Yeah, very expressive and realistic. Have to say I love those sounds.

Regards
James

*************************************

Hi Domenico

Quote:
awesome videos James, compliment!


Thanks.

Quote:
I just send you the new Live-Arranger V2, copy it on your preset folder and play! Now work really nice!
Is configured to play with the Giga Sounbank GM/GS.


Yep, send you back an email on that.

Quote:
record a new video so you can make happy someone there


Will do.

James.

*************************************

Hi AFG Music.

Quote:
james, here a free good sample piano from sonart audio site:


Thanks for that. I'll check it out.


*************************************


Hi Tony.

Quote:
Brilliant, can we see the full KB in your demos, those pipes are incredible.


Thanks.
Yeah, thought people might like to hear some Celtic based sounds as they usually sound terrible on closed keyboards. It's an easy way to show the superiority of Giga files.

Quote:
where did you get those from


Time & Space in the UK. It's an AKAI S1000 format CD called World Winds by Dirk Campbell.

Quote:
There’s a few people on SZ gone rather silent James, wonder why and dare I say it it’s half the price of the


Yeah the reaction has been very different to anything we have seen the in past. Normally we see a little confrontation, but now there's just silence.

Guess I'll take it as a good sign.

Quote:
Keep the samples coming, no sleep tonight James and no pubing it!


Sleep ? What's that
You wouldn't know it to look at me in the video but I'm in bits with a bad cold there. It took a few takes just to do the introduction because I couldn't stop coughing.

Cheers
James.


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Posted by: abacus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 06:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by spalding1968:
can someone convert sharpes clips to some other format as i dont have quick time on my computer


Hi Spalding

You have mail

Bill
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 09:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tony Hughes:
James,
There’s a few people on SZ gone rather silent James, wonder why and dare I say it it’s half the price of the …………………….


The reason is we already know all of this stuff Tony... I had no issues with mine with ANY of the Giga sounds (a doddle) VST sounds ( a bit more tricky) and combis.

All pretty straightforward stuff really.

Its the opertaiional side that let it down for me. Simple things like the MP3 player crashing because the mp3 had tags..Dom never ever got back to me about why that was (that was the built in player, 3rd party players like VLC et al, had no problem), even though I sent him samples.

I assume that has now been fixed, but it still IS the Studio 64 linux distro Lionstracs uses, as far as I can tell. So maybe it is or isn't. A normal mp3 was fine, but onece it had tags , no go!

I am waiting for the more in depth operational aspects, and how solid the udnerlying Linux distro is, just as onle a couple of things. There are more but I am going to wait without saying much.

A trait you may need to learn waiting without saying much..

Dennis
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 11:23 PM

Quote:

I assume that has now been fixed, but it still IS the Studio 64 linux distro Lionstracs uses, as far as I can tell. So maybe it is or isn't. A normal mp3 was fine, but onece it had tags , no go!
[/B]


Great research there, they have moved away from Studio 64 over a year ago and are now using Kubuntu in MEdiastation and Groove.
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/19/10 11:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Great research there, they have moved away from Studio 64 over a year ago and are now using Kubuntu in MEdiastation and Groove.


Right, and who do you think prepares Lionstracs software and provides the ISO packages?

And if you bothered to check the 64 Studio website you would see that Lionstracs is STILL listed as a partner.


Why dont you check YOUR facts. It is Kubuntu on a Studio 64 (or 64 Studio)distro...

64 studio prepare all of Lionstracs
software and provide the ISO packages.

An apology will be welcome anytime
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 12:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
The reason is we already know all of this stuff Tony... I had no issues with mine with ANY of the Giga sounds (a doddle) VST sounds ( a bit more tricky) and combis.

All pretty straightforward stuff really.

Its the opertaiional side that let it down for me. Simple things like the MP3 player crashing because the mp3 had tags..Dom never ever got back to me about why that was (that was the built in player, 3rd party players like VLC et al, had no problem), even though I sent him samples.

I assume that has now been fixed, but it still IS the Studio 64 linux distro Lionstracs uses, as far as I can tell. So maybe it is or isn't. A normal mp3 was fine, but onece it had tags , no go!

I am waiting for the more in depth operational aspects, and how solid the udnerlying Linux distro is, just as onle a couple of things. There are more but I am going to wait without saying much.

A trait you may need to learn waiting without saying much..

Dennis


Miden,

I wasn't meaning you I meant the TOP GUNS were silent.

Cheers Miden
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 12:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi Bachus.

Sleep ? What's that
You wouldn't know it to look at me in the video but I'm in bits with a bad cold there. It took a few takes just to do the introduction because I couldn't stop coughing.

Cheers
James.


[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-19-2010).]


James,

You’re a star in the making, tell that camera man to turn off the auto focus, it keeps moving in and out or it the shaky floor, you know James every bit of DVD of the MS is tosh, it’s good to see some good DVD and sound, take Lemsip James with pochine and just get on with it, you’re the salesman now, you taking Italian lessons. Buona fortuna James
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 12:25 AM

Okay Tony fair enough thanks

D
Posted by: Gunnar Jonny

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 01:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
I've already given the link for VLC free player for download


Great!

Did not notice that, but as you know, it don't harm to repeat good stuff.

Cheers
GJ
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 02:07 AM

Abacus you are a true gent thanks for the email and the conversion. Everyone else thanks also for the link to VLC.

Those that want to turn this thread into another dog fight please stop !!!

We are getting some useful information in a way that was never available before because of Dom's foolish and persistant stubborness. Despite this, James is kindly doing dom's job for him and i for one would love to simply see what the machine can do . We can then comment about what we have heard and seen later. Where is the sense in crowing now when all james has done is demonstrate a few functions on the machine that frankly speaking it had always been the expectation it would and should do ?

Some people actually want to buy this instrument but only after really close scrutiny. Some of that cautiousness would have served some of the members here well before purchasing the keybaord that shall not be named by me in this thread :-).

Lighten up folks and let James show us whats hot and whats not about the MS please ?
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 02:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
Right, and who do you think prepares Lionstracs software and provides the ISO packages?

And if you bothered to check the 64 Studio website you would see that Lionstracs is STILL listed as a partner.


Why dont you check YOUR facts. It is Kubuntu on a Studio 64 (or 64 Studio)distro...

64 studio prepare all of Lionstracs
software and provide the ISO packages.

An apology will be welcome anytime


Go fight your war somewhere else and first check the lionstracs website.. before demanding appologies that are not in place.. those are my last words on this subject as not to derail this thread.

James is doing some great things here and providing the information everyone asked for, step by step.. just discuss the information James provides and this will be a great thread...

Sending James a mediastation might be the best investment dom ever did
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 02:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:



Sending James a mediastation might be the best investment dom ever did


It will be, you will see.
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 04:08 AM

one thing, about the O.S it is not the same as 64studio distro but 64studio build the O.S and advise and recommends things to make the OS better and better. There are even pro studios that use 64studio distro to.64studio is a good linux distro for music. they create good custom O.S for other brands to. when lionstracs start to devolp the new O.S late in 2008 we like it as MS users.

why:

-qranger for audio+midi styles with unlimated tracks
-8 asio VST and change between VST in realtime
-karaoke player for midi and MP3 with lyrics
-combi mode with asio VST+giga sounds-rom layerd sounds.
-video player.
-kaos option
-ultra low latency
-and.........................

do you think that this options is possible in one day of programing?

miden the O.S changed now a lot, from when you had a MS. domenico said always his team is working hard to make the O.S finish,
some believed his words with patience but you did not.




[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-20-2010).]
Posted by: Magica Alfa

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 08:44 AM

Bravo James. You made great job.
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 10:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
I think then you never saw some videos demo on youtube..
here some examples.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKPAGhLeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrwM4RvJgu8

give many others.



Dom, i don't want to be rude...

But exactly those demo's and that demonstrator are a huge part of the reason your products did not get the attention and critics they deserve...

I'd remove all those old demo's with that demonstrator from the internet, in the end they can only hurt the brandname Lionstracs.
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 11:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Dom, i don't want to be rude...

But exactly those demo's and that demonstrator are a huge part of the reason your products did not get the attention and critics they deserve...

I'd remove all those old demo's with that demonstrator from the internet, in the end they can only hurt the brandname Lionstracs.


Could not agree more and you are not being rude they are crap, looks like the demo man just came off the beach. Dom obviously doesn't play KB if he thinks the guy in the shorts is good. James is yah man now!

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Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 11:27 AM

Dom,

Where the hell does the name LOINSTRACS come from, not Italy surely and the bird on the second youtude, the KB looks very good but the company image, not so sure. Take Bachus advice, when I ask people in the UK have they ever seen Lionstracs they look at me as if I have two heads, “not been to Africa on a safari for my holidays yet”
Go for it Dom at least you released your OS4, when’s OS5 out.


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Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 12:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Go fight your war somewhere else and first check the lionstracs website.. before demanding appologies that are not in place.. those are my last words on this subject as not to derail this thread.

James is doing some great things here and providing the information everyone asked for, step by step.. just discuss the information James provides and this will be a great thread...

Sending James a mediastation might be the best investment dom ever did


I was not the one who derailed it, nor accused anyone of not doing research. Rather it was you who did nto research and you who accused.

Then you hide behind "I am not derailing the thread" and "thats my last word" . What great integrity and character you have.

And to those hinting that previous buyers should not have bought, well back then there was nothing around, apart from website hype, misinformation and scant few decent demos.

I was not really expecting any sign from you admitting you are wrong any time soon, and you silly reply confirms it.

We are done.
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 12:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Dom, i don't want to be rude...

But exactly those demo's and that demonstrator are a huge part of the reason your products did not get the attention and critics they deserve...

I'd remove all those old demo's with that demonstrator from the internet, in the end they can only hurt the brandname Lionstracs.



I'm agree with you. When I saw demo videos with that demonstrator, i totally did not want to have a MS. but by talking to domenicco via email, I have seen that I can trust him,and I trusted what I read. that demo player is a famous organist in Germany, but he does not explain. He starts with an organ sound and keeps going with playing. The demos that domenico created self looks much better.For example multiple ASIO and .........I have no regrets.

James,play and explain the keyboard options as manual as you see working in practice
anyway James is a good player. and he speaks good English with a beautiful Irish accent.


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Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 01:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
I was not the one who derailed it, nor accused anyone of not doing research. Rather it was you who did nto research and you who accused.

Then you hide behind "I am not derailing the thread" and "thats my last word" . What great integrity and character you have.

And to those hinting that previous buyers should not have bought, well back then there was nothing around, apart from website hype, misinformation and scant few decent demos.

I was not really expecting any sign from you admitting you are wrong any time soon, and you silly reply confirms it.

We are done.


Miden maybe you have sold the MS to quickly,

In each case I had asked if we might give domenico some time to finish the O.S. I even said, if you have a different arranger, the MS is a good addition, if you think MS styles not good enough.
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 01:05 PM

delete


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Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 01:24 PM

AFG, that was not directed at you

I got tired of waiting for even the smallest of fixes for the several bugs on the MS OS 3. I could not even get the bug that crashed the MP3 (internal) player fixed. To be honest had only JUST that one been done, and the performance setup bug sorted, I would have kept it.

I got tired of empty promises to fix. Nothing ever happened so in the end I gave up in exasperation.

The arranger side was never really a big thing with me. Yes it was very flaky, but I was happy enough to not use it live. It would not have worked live anyway. Back then the arranger section (even using LS) was not "live-friendly"

Dennis
Posted by: vagro

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 01:59 PM

As a MS owner I want to say the following:
1) Thanks James for trying the new OS 4 (4.1). I need to know if, in this newer OS, most bugs were repaired. I decided not to spend a penny on this keyboard until I know as a fact that the system is finally stable. You all should know that for older owners upgrading the MS is not for free: OS 4/4.1= 190 euros; new PCI Express VGA LVDS= 130 euros; plus new motherboard, micro and RAM (prices vary according the country). For me more than Us$ 650. For sure this will have to be done regularly (every 1 or 2 years). Unfortunately those who bought the MS while it was in an “experimental” stage are forced to spend that money to “upgrade” the unit. Not fair (yes, I know, I had a special discount for mine)
2) I am not impressed by the demos yet. Excellent sound but that’s expected from any VST or Giga sound.
3) There is a longer learning curve in open keyboards and you never stop learning. Some people faster some people slower BUT you ALWAYS make mistakes and the keyboard is not supposed to crash easily. James, please tell us how many times you had to reboot the MS so far.
4) A last opinion. As an arranger I think the regular user will NEVER succeed to create a better style than the big brands unless you bring to your studio the Yamaha/Roland/Korg team. Tell me how to recreate or program the Mega voices or Korg guitar voices.

Remember I play for fun and my mother language is not English so be polite if you don’t agree.

Victor
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 02:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagro:
As a MS owner I want to say the following:
1) Thanks James for trying the new OS 4 (4.1). I need to know if, in this newer OS, most bugs were repaired. I decided not to spend a penny on this keyboard until I know as a fact that the system is finally stable. You all should know that for older owners upgrading the MS is not for free: OS 4/4.1= 190 euros; new PCI Express VGA LVDS= 130 euros; plus new motherboard, micro and RAM (prices vary according the country). For me more than Us$ 650. For sure this will have to be done regularly (every 1 or 2 years). Unfortunately those who bought the MS while it was in an “experimental” stage are forced to spend that money to “upgrade” the unit. Not fair (yes, I know, I had a special discount for mine)
2) I am not impressed by the demos yet. Excellent sound but that’s expected from any VST or Giga sound.
3) There is a longer learning curve in open keyboards and you never stop learning. Some people faster some people slower BUT you ALWAYS make mistakes and the keyboard is not supposed to crash easily. James, please tell us how many times you had to reboot the MS so far.
4) A last opinion. As an arranger I think the regular user will NEVER succeed to create a better style than the big brands unless you bring to your studio the Yamaha/Roland/Korg team. Tell me how to recreate or program the Mega voices or Korg guitar voices.

Remember I play for fun and my mother language is not English so be polite if you don’t agree.

Victor


Victor,

Your English is perfect, when I looked at the demos of MS I stopped looking at the MS, but I can see the sense in buying a MS, but lock ups and crashing no thanks Audya had enough of that. People need to know before they buy and I am sure James will tell us all if his KB locks up and he needs to reboot. I was thinking of buying one but you have frightened me off for a while I don't think there are many MS out there yet perhaps a lot lot less than Audya, I think all these Italian KB designers were trained at the same place , crashes and lock ups, updates after the KB released, all sounds the same to me. If you are going to sell KB in numbers you need a good demonstrator, Yamaha have the best and lots of them, they make their KB sound great? Some of the Youtube of Ketron Portugal player who just walk in off the street to play the Audya are good too, I don’t know what Dom was thinking of letting that guy in the shorts play his KB, he wasn’t thinking of increasing sales with it. Victor if you have told the truth there is nothing wrong with that, this is what SZ is all about, if someone asked my advice about buying an Audya I would say wait until it is finished, now that could be never, perhaps you would say the same about MS. Please tell us all you know good and bad, the MS does look good topside, it looks hellishly messy wiring inside and there’s a lot of PCB, plug sockets and connections to go wrong.


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Posted by: Fran Carango

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 03:37 PM

My MS with 4.0...does not crash or lock up...The only time I needed to reboot was the first time after installing 4.0...Now if I can get some sound out of LiveStyler...I would be a happier camper..

Dom , I would not worry about the suggestions from those telling you to rid the on line demos....those opinions are coming from people with less than stellar successes with their own keyboards...Maybe they should have payed more attention to directions to update their own OS..

You should continue to do things your way...of course if you get time to figure out what I am doing wrong with LS on the MS...
Posted by: Ensnareyou

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 05:37 PM

I've never had an issue with the Mediastation crashing. I did have a lockup a few times but that was with a very early OS when I was running multiple VST's in conjunction with lots of FX. I was running enough programs and FX to cause any system to crash so I couldn't fault the MS for it. As anyone who uses lots of VST's knows some can be extremely CPU hungry so when loading a new VST you never know just how power hungry its going to be until your actually using it.

FWIW... I've had more crashes and lockups from my Yamaha 9000 Pro than I've had with all except my early Emulator II.
Posted by: Ensnareyou

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 05:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagro:
2) I am not impressed by the demos yet. Excellent sound but that’s expected from any VST or Giga sound.



So when's the last time you had a Korg, Yamaha, or Roland arranger play back a sound that was equivalent to a Giga sample? I'm not sure how these types of sounds coming out of a Mediastation aren't impressive to you? Considering that the Mediastation is an all in one system that can play back VST's, do synthesis, sampling, multitrack recording, and do much more than that it should be very impressive to most.

James is showing people just how good the Mediastation sounds. I've said it time and time again the Mediastation sounds far better in person than many people on this forum believe. Unfortunately my words have fallen on deaf ears. Even with James doing these fine demos there will be many a naysayer for sure.
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/20/10 06:14 PM

Hi ensnareyou, welcome back too
is not true, they have some right too.
Old OS 3.0 had many Kernel issue and the serial midi bug that some time will not load the midi hardware interface.
This was happen on the new MS with the new mainboard 64bit, like the K10N78 with PCIexpress.
This new generation mainboards are to much fast for manage the old 32bit OS 3.0, based on the OLD ubuntu 8.04 ( 6 years aold)
The MS with the old mainboard, they dont have this serial midi bugs and also they can running 3 External display.

Now from OS 4.0 all is changed, the Kubuntu 9.10 is developed for 64bit mainboard ( NOT work at all for the OLD MS with the 32bit mainboards)
New low latecy kernel 2.6.31RT that support 64Gb RAM and all serial midi drivers.
From OS 4.0 the system running always up and play the al sounds from first booting and also every time you will restart the MS application.
here the probe: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/groove/groovequad.jpg
the system is running and play from 4.38 hours, 0Ms latency and only 1 xruns with multiple asio host running.

My own RED extreme is running 24hours at days, because my developers compile and testing new features. http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/2010/raid/Raidgroove.JPG
You can see now how to complex and compact system under one 61 keys:
Quad core, raid system, 16Gb Ram..the max that is possible under AMD CPU.
Of course we have bugs too, but consider also how much is compex our MS embedded software and how many others application ( + windows applications) we have to continue control under the panel in realtime...
when you running 10 ASIO host, sampler, synth, DSP, players...are more than 36 midi PORTS to controls and the system is ready to running more than 700/1000 voices..

Some note:
Vargo: the OS 4.0/4.1 is for FREE download, for the all MS that have the PCIexpress VGA, I can NOT posting 0 euro or everybody start to download and they dont need at all. Is just for leave more free bandwich on our server.

Fran: download the OS 4.1 is for free now, I have removed the 10 euro server FEE..i saw that many clients will not pay the 10 euro too and someone continue stressing me...
On GFTP server you have also the new Live Arranger V2 and some styles, download and copy it on Presets folder ( need OS 4.1 or will not work)

Anyway we continue work here and the OS wil never stop in updates.
Maybe in the next 10 days is available for FREE the first external TFT display too, then the big upgrade Xorg server can drive up to 4 external display.
step by step...we can not make miracle..
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 04:00 AM

Quote:
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/2010/raid/Raidgroove.JPG
You can see now how to complex and compact system under one 61 keys:
Quad core, raid system, 16Gb Ram..the max that is possible under AMD CPU.


How much noise do those big fans to the right make?
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 05:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
How much noise do those big fans to the right make?



the fan have nothing to has nothing to do with sound quality. for the mixerboard and audio boards they using a separate power supply without fan:
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/ms-atx-switching-p-218.html

so, the sound is verry clean. MS has two fans, one power supply and a CPU fan.

The modern power supply and cpu fans are very quiet. Domenico use this in Groove
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 05:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
How much noise do those big fans to the right make?



Oohhh the bigger the fan the better. Big fans spin a lot slower but still output the same amount of air as small fans spinning loudly at a high RPM. So the bigger the fan, the less noise it makes.

Since I don't have a dB meter I will have to give a guess. To me it sounds like it's running at about 28dB. Which is in all fairness pretty acceptable considering it is a PC at heart.

Regards
James
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 05:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Oohhh the bigger the fan the better. Big fans spin a lot slower but still output the same amount of air as small fans spinning loudly at a high RPM. So the bigger the fan, the less noise it makes.

Since I don't have a dB meter I will have to give a guess. To me it sounds like it's running at about 28dB. Which is in all fairness pretty acceptable considering it is a PC at heart.

Regards
James


It's when the fan stops it's time to start worrying, there a lot of heat being generated inside that MS when the wooden stake is taken out and the lid closed, let the fan run you won't hear it over sweet music a pair of 500 watt speaker, just tell them to get on with it James! Where are you next clips anyway, Sunday is no day of rest with a MS.
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 05:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Oohhh the bigger the fan the better. Big fans spin a lot slower but still output the same amount of air as small fans spinning loudly at a high RPM. So the bigger the fan, the less noise it makes.

Since I don't have a dB meter I will have to give a guess. To me it sounds like it's running at about 28dB. Which is in all fairness pretty acceptable considering it is a PC at heart.

Regards
James


only you have not same fan as Domenico.you have orginal AMD dualcore fan, it is very good fan, he has a quad core fan and is not a orginal AMD fan, i think his fan is about 25 euro:
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/034/scsk1000_detail.html

and he has a power suppply more then 500 W and you have 350 W with small fan. but the MS and Groove have the same sound quality becouse the PC power supply has nothing to do with audio boards power supply
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 06:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
only you have not same fan as Domenico.you have orginal AMD dualcore fan, it is very good fan, he has a quad core fan and is not a orginal AMD fan, i think his fan is about 25 euro:
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/034/scsk1000_detail.html

and he has a power suppply more then 500 W and you have 350 W with small fan. but the MS and Groove have the same sound quality becouse the PC power supply has nothing to do with audio boards power supply


Great...

So it seems like James Mediastation is noisier then necessary.. I prefer my PC equipment with less then 20db noise, meusured a 30 cm distance from the case.

With a passive power supply and big fans that must be possible for sure, its good to hear that DOm's machine uses the low noise parts, but it would be great if they also found their way to the finalized systems.
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 06:12 AM

Hi vagro.

Quote:
1) Thanks James for trying the new OS 4 (4.1). I need to know if, in this newer OS, most bugs were repaired. I decided not to spend a penny on this keyboard until I know as a fact that the system is finally stable. You all should know that for older owners upgrading the MS is not for free: OS 4/4.1= 190 euros; new PCI Express VGA LVDS= 130 euros; plus new motherboard, micro and RAM (prices vary according the country). For me more than Us$ 650. For sure this will have to be done regularly (every 1 or 2 years). Unfortunately those who bought the MS while it was in an “experimental” stage are forced to spend that money to “upgrade” the unit. Not fair (yes, I know, I had a special discount for mine)


Then I hope what I'm doing will answer your questions in time as I get to each system. The way I'm doing this people can see that I'm not just scratching the surface, I'm using the features for everything they offer so if there are cracks in the system, they will be found.

So far I've posted information / video's on one system and I can tell you that this function works flawlessly.

Quote:
2) I am not impressed by the demos yet. Excellent sound but that’s expected from any VST or Giga sound.


Ok, but just bear in mind that you expected the Giga sounds to sound excellent only because you already own a Mediastation. Most people reading and watching the video's would never have access to sounds like that at all on their closed keybards.

I know, it's easy to take things like this for granted on the Mediastation because it does run them effortlessly, but remember it's impossible for any other keyboard to do this.

Quote:
3) There is a longer learning curve in open keyboards and you never stop learning. Some people faster some people slower BUT you ALWAYS make mistakes and the keyboard is not supposed to crash easily. James, please tell us how many times you had to reboot the MS so far.


For crashes 0 because it has never crashed.

For losing sound on the selected HOST, maybe 5 or 6 times but this is limited to the HOST and only caused by me turn off and on the RUN option of the HOST. I haven't really bothered to even look at the problem yet because I know how to avoid it. So when I stop the host from running maybe I'm suppoed to do something else when I run it again, or maybe there is a bug here.

I don't know yet because I haven't bothered trying to find out as it's not that important and it only happens when I stop the host and try run it again. It does not effect any other system.

Quote:
4) A last opinion. As an arranger I think the regular user will NEVER succeed to create a better style than the big brands unless you bring to your studio the Yamaha/Roland/Korg team. Tell me how to recreate or program the Mega voices or Korg guitar voices.


Can't really comment on that yet because I haven't even played a style on it yet. All I can say is from what I understand, nobody is expected to create styles. That why it loads Yamaha and Ketron format.

If selecting new sounds for each part of the style is much the same on the Meidastation as a KORG, then it should be dead easy to al this.

We will see though.

Regards
James

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Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 06:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Great...

So it seems like James Mediastation is noisier then necessary.. I prefer my PC equipment with less then 20db noise, meusured a 30 cm distance from the case.

With a passive power supply and big fans that must be possible for sure, its good to hear that DOm's machine uses the low noise parts, but it would be great if they also found their way to the finalized systems.



i did not said taht James MS makes noises. the orginal AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.80 GHz is modern cpu with a very good fan:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Athlon_II_X2_240/images/athlon_x2_240_contents .jpg

Domenico use other fan becouse he has a very extreme Groove, so he needs the fan and power supply he used.


and passive fanless CPU coolers are heavy and not good as the one with fan. The most powerd mixers and amplifiers have built-in fan. fans has no effect on MS sounds. The MS has two power supply. 1 with fan for PC parts and 1 fanless for audio Parts



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Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 06:42 AM

Of all things to worry about I think fan noise is the last thing I'd ever worry about.

It's perfectly normal and totally acceptable. It sounds exactly like a quality PC running. No big deal.

What else would anyone expect since it is a PC at heart. It's not like this effects the Audio Output in anyway.

Regards
James
Posted by: vagro

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 07:38 AM

Some answers here:

Tony: thanks for your comments. I am offering my view as a regular player that may help others like me.

Fran: I think I didn’t use the correct word: my MS used to “lock up” (not crash) almost every time I played it with OS 3.0. My CPU was an Athlon AMD single core 3200+ and 1GB RAM and usually I had to turn it on twice because it didn’t load all the drivers on the first attempt. Instead of upgrading all the PC components I downgraded to OS2.8 only adding 2GB RAM and it kept very stable ever since but only using very basic stuff like MP3 player, Giga sounds and some VSTi manually from the screen (I don’t know how to add VSTi sounds to the regular MS panel yet). From previous experiences I prefer not to modify anything as it has already been set because I’m afraid the whole MS will stop working and now it is an important part of my organ console. So far I’ve been waiting for a newer OS and a neutral reviewer as I think James is in order to start thinking about a hardware upgrade.

Esnareyou: my statement you quoted was very clear:
2) I am not impressed by the demos yet. Excellent sound but that’s expected from any VST or Giga sound.

Everyone knows Giga sound and VSTis are miles away in superiority than conventional closed arranger sounds. No one, that I remember, ever said in this forum the MS had a bad quality sound. As a MS owner who’s not been able to use it as an arranger I expect to listen and watch a video demo using together all the features you describe (“play back VST's, do synthesis, sampling, multitrack recording, and do much more”) and styles. James has done an outstanding job learning to load Giga sounds (in one day!) and the video has an excellent audio but he will need a couple of weeks more to learn the rest and show the most important features. Wow! Those human voices are incredibly good but, from my viewpoint as a MS user, just playing some Giga voices does not show much about this instrument yet.

Dom: good from your part explaining those bugs on previous OS. I suppose the PCI express VGA is not installed in my MS. Is it only available from Lionstracs or are there generic compatible ones I can buy in any computer store? Good news for me if I get the OS4.1 for free.

James: Thanks a lot for your reply. I was about to send mine when I found your answer but I will post it anyway.
Great! There are no crashes and lock ups while you are learning and the risk is increased.
You are right, my opinion of the video is biased because I own a MS an that is what I tried to explain to Esnareyou. Keep your good work on this. You should know how important it is for everyone here.


Victor
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 01:01 PM

A question for fellow Mediastation owners. I'm exploring COMBI mode and I've come up against something I cannot figure out.

In COMBI when you put say... Strings on the left transposed +12 and and a Trumpet on the right ( all giga sounds). When you save and exit back to the main screen the keyboard faults to two piano sounds, one for the left transposed +12 and one for the right.

Why ?

I have to press the save button again or jump to another mode and back again just to hear the COMBI sound I made working normally but this does not solve the problem permanently. Changing to another combi and bank again, chances are it will default back to the piano sounds.

Yet the few sounds that were in COMBI mode already work normally.

So why don't my sounds work all the time ?

Regards
James
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 01:12 PM

It is normal, I have just created some new COMBI patch and are full forking.
COMBI work with the first 8 midi CH, from CH 1 to CH 8.
When you are in EDIT mode, you are eiditing this 8 midi channel, you wil lose the al midi setups of the last combi patch.
When you exit, just select one atother COMBI patch and then recall again your last created patch.
In this way we initialize again the all 8 midi channels.
The Global keyboard transpose have nothing to do with the layers transpose.
When you change the gobal transpose, will also setting the new transpose for the COMBI and for the all other sounds engines.
Try it, you will see that is working.
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 01:29 PM

Vargo
on your MS is not installed the PCIexpress VGA card and also you have the mainboard without the PCIexpress slot.
PCIexpress VGA is available only from my company, because have embedded the LVDS interface board for the 8.4" display.

Note also that OS 4.1 is working now with the new Jack MP ( multi processor DSP) and NOT work with a single core CPU, min need a dual core.
So..IF you decide to upgrade to OS 4.1 you need:
Mainboard K10N78
PCI Express VGA
CPU AM3 dualcore
thats all.
regards
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 01:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
[B] i did not said taht James MS makes noises. the orginal AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.80 GHz is modern cpu with a very good fan:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Athlon_II_X2_240/images/athlon_x2_240_contents .jpg

Domenico use other fan becouse he has a very extreme Groove, so he needs the fan and power supply he used.


and passive fanless CPU coolers are heavy and not good as the one with fan. The most powerd mixers and amplifiers have built-in fan. fans has no effect on MS sounds. The MS has two power supply. 1 with fan for PC parts and 1 fanless for audio Parts


correct
on groove we use the last generation of ATX power supply, with 14Cm Fan LOW speed.
The CPU fan on the quad core is the same that you see on the picture, 10Cm Fan and is running from 650 to 2500Rpm, totally LOW noise.
On the groove system you can hear more the HD heads that the CPU and ATX fan.

On MS is installed one 8Cm fan 3500 Rpm, make more noise BUT is one aceptable compromise.
Posted by: Magica Alfa

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 02:20 PM

Some VST are using only midi channal 1. or OMNI mode. in this case you can use it only on 1 track of COMBI.

That is all.
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 11:03 PM

Hi all.

This thread shot up so fast with more replies in a very short space of time and this morning it was down to 10 in the list dropping fast, the only interest now is the size of the cooling fan, funny old World hey! What is the real size of the market for the MS, is it worth all the fuss and trouble, is it better to just buy a T3 and let someone else do all the work and just accept the styles and sounds, at least you don't need to worry about a copyright trial and there is no fan in the T3, it doesn’t produce that much heat, it’s more sustainable, less power outage. You know we all appear to be worried about how the people we play to, will they notice the difference in the new KB, if they say the performance was brilliant and the KB sounds fantastic how they would know when even we can’t make up our minds. I heard James on the MS playing a bagpipe sample and there is no doubt, the Audya bagpipe sample doesn’t sound anything like that, how much was the sample to buy and how many times will we use it. I played the Audya sample to my 9 yrs old granddaughter on Saturday and said what instrument was that and she said a bagpipe, she didn’t say a cheap crappy one. I am beginning to question what we are striving for, we will see this week on the Audya, it will either be a complete letdown or a nice surprise, or just another day at the office. I think this is a case of who’s got the fastest and classiest looking car. Most of us are tone deaf and we don’t know it, and most playing to audiences that are tone deaf, we are asking them how it sounded to them, would you ask a blind man to drive you home!
Just my thoughts for the week, BTW the more a look at the wiring inside that MS the more I think I will stay away, it looks like a loose connection nightmare and the photos so far only show ¾ of the keyboard, I do like the wooden supports.


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Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 11:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tony Hughes:
Hi all.

This thread shot up so fast with more replies in a very short space of time and this morning it was down to 10 in the list dropping fast, the only interest now is the size of the cooling fan, funny old World hey! What is the real size of the market for the MS, is it worth all the fuss and trouble, is it better to just buy a T3 and let someone else do all the work and just accept the styles and sounds, at least you don't need to worry about a copyright trial and there is no fan in the T3, it doesn’t produce that much heat, it’s more sustainable, less power outage. You know we all appear to be worried about how the people we play to, will they notice the difference in the new KB, if they say the performance was brilliant and the KB sounds fantastic how they would know when even we can’t make up our minds. I heard James on the MS playing a bagpipe sample and there is no doubt, the Audya bagpipe sample doesn’t sound anything like that, how much was the sample to buy and how many times will we use it. I played the Audya sample to my 9 yrs old granddaughter on Saturday and said what instrument was that and she said a bagpipe, she didn’t say a cheap crappy one. I am beginning to question what we are striving for, we will see this week on the Audya, it will either be a complete letdown or a nice surprise, or just another day at the office. I think this is a case of who’s got the fastest and classiest looking car. Most of us are tone deaf and we don’t know it, and most playing to audiences that are tone deaf, we are asking them how it sounded to them, would you ask a blind man to drive you home!
Just my thoughts for the week, BTW the more a look at the wiring inside that MS the more I think I will stay away, it looks like a loose connection nightmare and the photos so far only show ¾ of the keyboard, I do like the wooden supports.


[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 03-21-2010).]


We all are wayting for more information from JAmes, espescially on the styles part and the Vst part of the mediastation.

Please go fight your war somewhere else.
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/21/10 11:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:


Please go fight your war somewhere else.


Bachus,

Appears you said this to some else recently. I have just made what I thought was a set of valid statements, don't just answer in this way, makes some contra input and a valid counter argument to what I said it was not all about the MS, it was about our own and others perceptions of how KB sound. I take you have a MS.
Posted by: abacus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 03:03 AM

Hi Tony
Once you have heard and tried the quality of VST instruments (Or even Akai samples) hardware boards just don't cut it, (Your always dissatisfied knowing that there is something cheaper and far better sounding out there) I have been using VST since the late 90s (All this latest SA & DNC was available in VST almost 10 years ago, with the latest ones designed specifically for live play sounding really excellent) and the only reason I moved from a computer based system to a combined system, (Wersi Abacus) was because it gets rid of all the cables, and now sits comfortably in the lounge. (Before everything had to be in a separate room)
You will find all the connectors are self locking, and you will have no more problems then the connectors in your hardware board dropping out.
Regards
Bill
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 03:13 AM

I find it interesting that NOW Dom is willing to acknowledge issues with OS3, whereas, at the time, not a word...

Kind of makes you wonder what is going on NOW, that won't be acknowledged until further down the line...

As always, with this thing, the first question is, why is anyone astounded at how good the sounds can be? We've had VSTi's, GIGAsampler and large sample libraries for YEARS now, and most of us could have run them on quite modest home PC's for ourselves. And, if we did, we might have a better idea of the technical expertize you need to be able to set up and keep running a complex virtual instrument rig. Upon which, probably 99% of the people here would decide that what they already have is quite good enough, thank you very much, and if they need that degree of sound accuracy at home for recording, do it on the computer they already have..!

James has still not even scratched the surface of how to turn this thing into an arranger, the workload we would all face to do that, and tweak the styles to a level noticeably better than a decent TOTL arranger. And, in all fairness, this being an ARRANGER forum, not a virtual instrument one (plenty of those with VERY knowledgeable members if anyone cares to look), I am still rather more concerned with the MS's application as an arranger than a VSTi playback machine.

I am still wondering just what percentage of members here, once they finally understand the degree of knowledge you need (James makes it look easy, but he has YEARS of experience with VSTi's and computer rigs to call upon) to make all this stuff happen, are anything more than just academically interested in this thing?

Especially in the knowledge that, should you actually LIKE some of these sounds, you already have a computer quite capable of playing them...

This is an amazing keyboard, but don't fool yourselves. It only will sound its' best in the hands of someone intimately familiar with computer music production, like James (definitely NOT like anyone Dom has ever hired to demo it!), and just how many of us really think we fit that bill? I doubt there's ONE of us willing to hoe this road just for a great set of Uillean Pipes

BTW, if those winds are out for Akai S1000, those samples easily fit the much larger RAM sizes of a T3 or PA2Xpro (or quite possibly the Audya, too)... Don't forget, quite a few of you already HAVE the technology to play many of these kinds of sounds in what you have NOW. If you haven't availed yourself of the opportunity to use the technology in what you currently own, what makes you think that you are likely to want to do even MORE work to make an even MORE complex keyboard like this do them?

Surely the Audya ought to have made apparent to much of us here that gear lust, without a VERY skeptical attitude towards whether we actually have the smarts to make something that complex run well, can be a very dangerous and expensive thing?
Posted by: to the genesys

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 03:57 AM

Here in is the problem.

If some people say that having VSTi's, GIGAsampler and large sample
Libraries on a computer and having the same sounds on a keyboard is comparable, then trying to convince them on the advantages of open keyboards is pointless. That is like saying having an Akai sampler is the same as having an arranger that can play back Akai samplels.

You only have to read James’ first post on this topic and Abacus last post to understand.
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 04:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tony Hughes:
Hi all.

This thread shot up so fast with more replies in a very short space of time and this morning it was down to 10 in the list dropping fast, the only interest now is the size of the cooling fan, funny old World hey! What is the real size of the market for the MS, is it worth all the fuss and trouble, is it better to just buy a T3 and let someone else do all the work and just accept the styles and sounds, at least you don't need to worry about a copyright trial and there is no fan in the T3, it doesn’t produce that much heat, it’s more sustainable, less power outage. You know we all appear to be worried about how the people we play to, will they notice the difference in the new KB, if they say the performance was brilliant and the KB sounds fantastic how they would know when even we can’t make up our minds. I heard James on the MS playing a bagpipe sample and there is no doubt, the Audya bagpipe sample doesn’t sound anything like that, how much was the sample to buy and how many times will we use it. I played the Audya sample to my 9 yrs old granddaughter on Saturday and said what instrument was that and she said a bagpipe, she didn’t say a cheap crappy one. I am beginning to question what we are striving for, we will see this week on the Audya, it will either be a complete letdown or a nice surprise, or just another day at the office. I think this is a case of who’s got the fastest and classiest looking car. Most of us are tone deaf and we don’t know it, and most playing to audiences that are tone deaf, we are asking them how it sounded to them, would you ask a blind man to drive you home!
Just my thoughts for the week, BTW the more a look at the wiring inside that MS the more I think I will stay away, it looks like a loose connection nightmare and the photos so far only show ¾ of the keyboard, I do like the wooden supports.


[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 03-21-2010).]


did you see the inside of audya?
did you ever see inside a PC?

about heat inside MS, first the new Mainboard inside MS/Groove is K10N78-1394 and Supports AMD’s Cool ‘n’ Quiet Technology ,so, the maiboard has 2 fan conectors, 1 CPU fan and one chasses fan. becouse of this new modern manboard and air follow inside MS/groove you do need the chasses fan

[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-22-2010).]
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 05:15 AM

Well..hardware difference is not so big...
Here the groove inside: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/2010/raid/Raidgroove.JPG

Here the Audya inside: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/Audyainside.jpg
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 08:32 AM

Hi Diki.

For years you have been saying how bad it sounds and complaining how nobody can upload a quality demo and that there must be a reason why, blaming the keyboard. Now I get one and you say ......”why is anyone astounded at how good the sounds can be?”...... all of a sudden.

Regarding PC's, yes you could run Gigasampler and VSTi's on your PC for years, but that does not in anyway compare to an OPEN Keyboard. A PC does not come with a Custom OS, dedicated buttons for controlling every single application on it and so on, let alone the form factor of a musical instrument and the clean workspace environment you get from such a system.

Quote:
James has still not even scratched the surface of how to turn this thing into an arranger, the workload we would all face to do that, and tweak the styles to a level noticeably better than a decent TOTL arranger. And, in all fairness, this being an ARRANGER forum, not a virtual instrument one (plenty of those with VERY knowledgeable members if anyone cares to look), I am still rather more concerned with the MS's application as an arranger than a VSTi playback machine.


While I have not yet looked at this system, I can say that there is automatically a certain amount of instant compatibility here. Any style you load is going to have a certain level of GM/GS compatibility by default and they will be automatically connected to the GS/GM Giga Library that comes with the keyboard. So I don't expect this to be complicated at all when I get to it.

I would imagine it's a simple matter of just adjusting volumes of the tracks and changing a sound or two to better Giga sound I feel might work better. Sounds pretty simply when you say it, so we will see how things go when I get around to it which will be VERY soon.

Quote:
I am still wondering just what percentage of members here, once they finally understand the degree of knowledge you need (James makes it look easy, but he has YEARS of experience with VSTi's and computer rigs to call upon) to make all this stuff happen, are anything more than just academically interested in this thing?


There's no requirement to use VSTi's to make it sound better than a closed keyboard from day one. Out of the box the core sounds are provided by Giga files so there's no setup to use these. You press a single button and an entire GM/GS library of sounds is displayed on the screen to select just like you select a sound on a closed keyboard. So users can very much so live off Giga files for a long time and learn how to use the other parts of the keyboard at their own pace.

Some people might never even feel the need go past Giga files because you can get some pretty mind blowing sounds for very little money if you look at AKAI disks.

Quote:
This is an amazing keyboard, but don't fool yourselves. It only will sound its' best in the hands of someone intimately familiar with computer music production, like James (definitely NOT like anyone Dom has ever hired to demo it!), and just how many of us really think we fit that bill?


I would hope from the Video's and their very simply nature and approach that people can see that it was very easy for me to assign sounds to slots the screen.
1: Press EIDT
2: Navigate to the file you want the same way you naviage on a PC.
3: Press enter to load a sound.
4: If you like it and you want to use it, touch the slot where you want to put it and press insert.

Exit...... that's all.

Quote:
BTW, if those winds are out for Akai S1000, those samples easily fit the much larger RAM sizes of a T3 or PA2Xpro (or quite possibly the Audya, too)... Don't forget, quite a few of you already HAVE the technology to play many of these kinds of sounds in what you have NOW. If you haven't availed yourself of the opportunity to use the technology in what you currently own, what makes you think that you are likely to want to do even MORE work to make an even MORE complex keyboard like this do them?


That's not entirely true.

Yamaha arrangers does not support any know sample format that contains mulstisample data. Ketron are also the same, plus the Audya only has 64MB of RAM (lol...what a joke). KORG on the other hand, fair enough, they will even read raw AKAI data straight off a CD but you still have to load everything to RAM and a Pa2X maxed out will give you 256MB. The piano sound I was using was over 500MB

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-22-2010).]
Posted by: hitman

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 09:51 AM

In response to the complicated setup,
I think that no keyboard on the market sounds great out of the box. Any keyboard requires setting up and tweaking, especially if you don't play western music. If anything, the MS makes it look much easier and more attractive than compared to other arrangers. Since we all spend so much time handeling files and using a computer, wouldn't it make more sense that a system modeled after a PC has a smaller learning curve?

If I could afford the MS right now, I would forget about Korg, Roland, Yamaha and their highly overpriced pyle of plastic, metal and 3rd grade sounds. Heck, who needs over 100 drum kits, 50 guitars, 40 bases etc. In most cases these sounds are just variations with slightly changed effects and filters. Instead, why not provide a few high quality realistic sounds with editing and modeling options. I guess they just have to milk the profits from sounds created 10 years ago.
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 10:21 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hitman:
In response to the complicated setup,
I think that no keyboard on the market sounds great out of the box. Any keyboard requires setting up and tweaking, especially if you don't play western music. If anything, the MS makes it look much easier and more attractive than compared to other arrangers. Since we all spend so much time handeling files and using a computer, wouldn't it make more sense that a system modeled after a PC has a smaller learning curve?

If I could afford the MS right now, I would forget about Korg, Roland, Yamaha and their highly overpriced pyle of plastic, metal and 3rd grade sounds. Heck, who needs over 100 drum kits, 50 guitars, 40 bases etc. In most cases these sounds are just variations with slightly changed effects and filters. Instead, why not provide a few high quality realistic sounds with editing and modeling options. I guess they just have to milk the profits from sounds created 10 years ago.

[/QUOTE
Hitman,

You hit them, thats another angle and perhaps you are right, give us some more.

Tony
Posted by: Gunnar Jonny

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 10:30 AM

I find this tread very interesting, in fact the most interesting in a long time.

Myself I'm looking forward to the "MS as an Arranger" part, since styles/accomp are essential for
the way I use the keyboard.

Keep'em coming James, and thank's for nice videos and reports done in a way that we don't have to be
sivil engineers to understand it.

Cheers
GJ
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 11:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
It is normal, I have just created some new COMBI patch and are full forking.
COMBI work with the first 8 midi CH, from CH 1 to CH 8.
When you are in EDIT mode, you are eiditing this 8 midi channel, you wil lose the al midi setups of the last combi patch.
When you exit, just select one atother COMBI patch and then recall again your last created patch.
In this way we initialize again the all 8 midi channels.
The Global keyboard transpose have nothing to do with the layers transpose.
When you change the gobal transpose, will also setting the new transpose for the COMBI and for the all other sounds engines.
Try it, you will see that is working.


Sorry but it's not working right for me at all.

Changing to another sound and back again makes no difference. A full system shutdown and reboot doesn't even help.

It will only start working if I select the sound and press Enter to save it. Or if I jump to VSTi Mode and back to Giga Mode.

This does not fix the problem though and it does not work all the time. If I change to another sound, the problem is back again.

Any suggestions ?

Regards
James
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 11:54 AM

Do you have also select with the F1= ENGINE the desidered sounds engine+enter first?

Create some different COMBI patch, then open the folder: Presets/combi/
copy the file that have saved: presets_1 and send me by email that I will test here what for a configuration you made.
Then I send you back fixed and also with one combi file with about 50 combi patch created from Magic Alfa.
here the shoot if you dont believe..



[This message has been edited by LIONSTRACS (edited 03-22-2010).]
Posted by: Fran Carango

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 12:28 PM

James, this is a message from my friend Paul...If you email him ,he has a Korg question..

James,
Fran Carango advised me to contact you regarding a Korg product from the past. He stated that you could possibly shed some light on the subject.
I have a Pa1x keyboard 76 keys. I also have a Korg O1W module. I am trying to make a backup of the combinations and programs from the O1W. I need to replace the battery and I know I will lose all the data once the battery is pulled. Can you suggest the best thing to do???
In the past I had a bad experience with someone who claimed he knew what to do regarding saving the data. It of course didn't work. When the battery was pulled I lost all my set-ups and it took weeks to reprogram everything back. I don't want to go through that again no matter what.. Please let me know if you can help. My email address is: paulkasper@verizon.net
Thanks. Paul Kasper
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 12:31 PM

Hi Domenico.

Quote:
Do you have also select with the F1= ENGINE the desidered sounds engine+enter first?


Yes, but ...... I'm just after noticing something now that you said that. You have a screen shot in the manual that's slightly different from the keyboard. On the keyboard the giga engine names are abbreviated but in the manual they are not and they make a world of sense to me there.

I think my problem is I'm using the wrong engine altogether and the entire problem is down to routing. I didn't even know the different engines were for routing....lol...

Ok... running off to check now

Regards
James
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 12:36 PM

Hi Fran.
Did that already on the 17th.

Here's a copy of the email......

*************
Hi Paul.
Sure no problem.
 
Sadly your KORG PA1X does not have a Midi Data Filer function from what I can tell. Seems KORG only include that feature on their workstations.
 
So basically you need this little program http://www.midiox.com/moxdown.htm
 
It's called Midiox and it allows you to midi data dump your 01W into the PC. So you need to be able to connect by midi to your PC to do all this.
 
On your 01W press the GLOBAL button and go to Page 8. It's called the Data Dump page. There you will see an option to midi data dump your 01W. Set this to ALL but don't dump the data just yet. It's important that you have navigated to the page and are ready to dump the data before you setup the midiox app to receive the signal. Otherwise it will pick up your button pressing and navigating on the 01W as SysEX data.
 
Anyway so your 01W is ready, now you launch Midiox.
Go to View and then to SysEx. A window will pop up at this point and you can select SysEx from this window followed by Receive Manual Dump.
 
Once you do that, get your 01W to send the midi dump. Once complete, save your dump so you can send it back to your 01W after you change the battery.
 
Actually, I would recommend doing a test before you change the battery by sending the file back to the 01W just to verify that it accepts it and all is good.
 
Hope that helps.
 
Kind Regards
James
**************
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 01:06 PM

Hi Domenico.

Well I thought that would fix it because I knew I had selected the Giga Main engine while I was listening in on Mix 2 but nope it still does not work. I will send you the preset file.
I've recorded a little video with my iPhone here showing the odd behaviour.

CLICK FOR MOV FILE

Regards
James
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi Domenico.

Well I thought that would fix it because I knew I had selected the Giga Main engine while I was listening in on Mix 2 but nope it still does not work. I will send you the preset file.
I've recorded a little video with my iPhone here showing the odd behaviour.

CLICK FOR MOV FILE

Regards
James


You might have cought your first bug there James... Maybe Dom can Squash it quickly now with a fire extinguisher...
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 02:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi Domenico.

Well I thought that would fix it because I knew I had selected the Giga Main engine while I was listening in on Mix 2 but nope it still does not work. I will send you the preset file.
I've recorded a little video with my iPhone here showing the odd behaviour.

CLICK FOR MOV FILE

Regards
James


you are right....found where is the bug..

[ID1_Layer3]
chorus = 0.000000 ;
transpose = 12.000000 ;
start_note = 0.000000 ;
program = 0.000000 ;
mute = 0.000000 ;
variation = 0.000000 ;
end_note = 54.000000 ;
active = 1.000000 ;
volume = 114.000000 ;
end_volume = 127.000000 ;
patch_file = /home/mediastation/GigaLibrary/Symphony Of Voices/1 - London Choir/CHOIR AHS.gig ;
pan = 0.000000 ;
filter_midi_cc = ;
start_volume = 0.000000 ;
patch_name = CHOIR AHS.gig ;
sound_engine = gigasolo ;
reverb = 127.000000 ;
is_drums = 0.000000 ;

You have selected the GIGASOLO engine, for loading on combi your own sound.
You can see on the preset file the all info on the layer.
program 0.0000 is the program change
variation 0.0000 is the program change variation
for that when you select the combi patch again, will send first this prg+var 0 that is a piano sound.

We have upgrade the new Linuxsampler and for sure the developer forget to enalbe again the flag: If gigasolo ignore the program change/variation.
For that when then you press SAVE again, will sent again the giga sound link and then play again the all layers sounds.
With the al othgers engine that use rge Prg+Var is working fine.
I ask now my developer now to insert again the flag on the new sampler and then I upload the debian update file.
Tested right now the sampler 1.0 and gigasolo work, is only on this new 1.0svn3 that not work. http://www.linuxsampler.org/cvshistory.php?subproject=linuxsampler
we fix it asap.
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 02:04 PM

James, I have ALWAYS acknowledged the MS's capability to play first call VSTi's and GIGA libraries. My criticism of the MS was never based on its' ability to make great sounds, but on its' ability (or rather, the lack of it in its' users) to integrate all those different sounds into one gestalt that rivaled the balance and ease of use of a traditional TOTL closed arranger. Please don't misquote me...

Most of what we HAVE heard from user demos on the MS has been them connecting to the included GM/GS GIGA library, using the included styles. It certainly hasn't blown anyone away yet, me included. I am still primarily waiting for when you decide to tackle the arranger engine and add-ons, and try to achieve better than TOTL closed accompaniment (we can take it for a given that lead RH sounds are going to be a light year ahead of closed keyboards) from this keyboard.

I have said, almost from the beginning, that we were discussing a high level VSTi WS on an ARRANGER forum, and have never dissed its' abilities as a well integrated virtual studio. But the degree of integration to achieve TOTL closed arranger balance and quality of MUSICAL integration, and the level of expertize AND effort to do that when it isn't included OOTB is what I, and I believe a large number of members, am interested in. Although the VSTi and GIGA integration is well beyond what I can do in the studio with computers, I am still able to deliver what I want to do with what I have. But it still seems that even YOU, with your very advanced knowledge of these things can easily be confused by little 'gotchas' and easily misunderstood aspects of operation. And if YOU can get confused, what do you think 99% of those here will be?

I understand that many here are boggled by the basic VSTi and sampler quality of sounds, but the TRUE test of this thing for many of us will come when you get around to SERIOUSLY tackling the arranger engine and integration...
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 05:08 PM

Thanks Domenico.
That makes perfect sense. When that's fix it will be really great. The COMBI mode is very nice to use, and the layout is so easy to understand.

Regards
James
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 06:16 PM

Hi Diki.

Quote:
James, I have ALWAYS acknowledged the MS's capability to play first call VSTi's and GIGA libraries. My criticism of the MS was never based on its' ability to make great sounds, but on its' ability (or rather, the lack of it in its' users) to integrate all those different sounds into one gestalt that rivaled the balance and ease of use of a traditional TOTL closed arranger. Please don't misquote me...


I don't feel I've misquoted you, but hey, it's not important. I'd rather push on than spend time arguing over something that at the end of the day doesn't really matter.

Quote:
Most of what we HAVE heard from user demos on the MS has been them connecting to the included GM/GS GIGA library, using the included styles. It certainly hasn't blown anyone away yet, me included. I am still primarily waiting for when you decide to tackle the arranger engine and add-ons, and try to achieve better than TOTL closed accompaniment (we can take it for a given that lead RH sounds are going to be a light year ahead of closed keyboards) from this keyboard.


I'm going gigging with this keyboard so there are 3 functions I wanted to test in full first before I touched the arranger which were Giga Sounds, COMBI mode and the Media Player. To be honest though I'm happy to skip a head at this point because I know all 3 systems work and that one bug I found in COMBI mode Domenico already knows the cause, so it's not a concern. He's guys will be on it, and I have a workaround that will tie me over for a little while as I practice my songs.

So... I'll just record a video on the Arranger mode. This one will be basic, just a quick intro, selecting a style that was untouched and getting the balances right. A mode detailed one will come after that.

It's uploading right now, so I'll post a link in a few minutes..

Quote:
I have said, almost from the beginning, that we were discussing a high level VSTi WS on an ARRANGER forum, and have never dissed its' abilities as a well integrated virtual studio. But the degree of integration to achieve TOTL closed arranger balance and quality of MUSICAL integration, and the level of expertize AND effort to do that when it isn't included OOTB is what I, and I believe a large number of members, am interested in. Although the VSTi and GIGA integration is well beyond what I can do in the studio with computers, I am still able to deliver what I want to do with what I have. But it still seems that even YOU, with your very advanced knowledge of these things can easily be confused by little 'gotchas' and easily misunderstood aspects of operation. And if YOU can get confused, what do you think 99% of those here will be?


As with any new technology there is a learning curve but to just not even try understand it is a dangerous thing. That's why we all know people who have problems even operating something as simple as a mobile phone.

Regards
James.
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 06:17 PM

Hi all.
Time for another video.

04 – Arranger Intro
This is a very basic introduction to the arranger mode. A Ketron style is loaded and then optimised to sound good on the Mediastation. A short performance is then played. All keyboards are general midi compatible so to a point all styles loaded will automatically map to the GM Giga library within the Mediastation so in this case all I need to worry about was the balance.
Click to Download – 366MB

In the next arranger video I'll show how to optimise a Styles that requires the sounds to be changed. It's a very quick process.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-22-2010).]
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/22/10 11:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi all.
Time for another video.

04 – Arranger Intro
This is a very basic introduction to the arranger mode. A Ketron style is loaded and then optimised to sound good on the Mediastation. A short performance is then played. All keyboards are general midi compatible so to a point all styles loaded will automatically map to the GM Giga library within the Mediastation so in this case all I need to worry about was the balance.
Click to Download – 366MB

In the next arranger video I'll show how to optimise a Styles that requires the sounds to be changed. It's a very quick process.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-22-2010).]


So its nice and easy to get a reasonable sounding style and everyone can do it.


Can't wayt till we get to hear some killer Styles that outshine the other standard TOTL arrangers.

Stil wondering what Q-ranger can do for the arranger community.
Posted by: Spalding 4

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 02:46 AM

So its nice and easy to get a reasonable sounding style and everyone can do it.

"
Can't wayt till we get to hear some killer Styles that outshine the other standard TOTL arrangers.

Stil wondering what Q-ranger can do for the arranger community."

Thats what i am anxious to see too.
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 04:13 AM

Nice video James!
I have upload it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IdKEgE11Q

tip:
when you editing the all volumes tracks, then just press ENTER and will save your new setting.
In this way when you recall it again you have back your all sounds setting levels.
Download from GFTP server the EDER SWING qranger audio style if you like to test how the audio styles with audio drums loops are working.
cheers
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 10:18 AM

SAdly there are no demo's of the Eder swing available... I have learned from Helmut at Tastenpoint.at that he will put some demo's up with his stuff very soon.

I also learned from Helmut that there would be a GRoove X-7 with 76 keys and only measuring 106 cm comming in April or soon there after...

Now how about a Groove X-7 Red Extreme. That sounds really tasty.

Can anyone explain the difference between a MEdiastation X-76 Pro and a GRoove X-7? they would have the same functionallity right?

So does this mean the Mediastation will not be build anymore and its replaced by the Groove? (which should be essentially the same instrument except for the collor)


And one more Question for James, how is the keybed of your mediastation ? Does the Groove have the same keybed quallity?
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 11:17 AM

I have upload some audio styles on GFTP, I think soon James can record a video demo with this audio styles.
This audio styles are developed from Tastenpoint.
Blues audio: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/qranger/audiostyles/bluesaudio.mp3

Funky audio: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/qranger/audiostyles/funkyaudio.mp3

the others styles can record James...
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 11:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
I have upload some audio styles on GFTP, I think soon James can record a video demo with this audio styles.
This audio styles are developed from Tastenpoint.
Blues audio: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/qranger/audiostyles/bluesaudio.mp3

Funky audio: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/qranger/audiostyles/funkyaudio.mp3

the others styles can record James...


I like them a lot... they sound really really decent.

Seems that Herr Helmut Eder is planning to release the Lionstracs instruments for Austrian and maybe the German market with a few hundred of these quallity styles on board straight out of the box.
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 11:27 AM

Quote:
SAdly there are no demo's of the Eder swing available... I have learned from Helmut at Tastenpoint.at that he will put some demo's up with his stuff very soon..

Helmut gave me some styles to test, I have upload on server and soon James can test and record video too.

Quote:
I also learned from Helmut that there would be a GRoove X-7 with 76 keys and only measuring 106 cm comming in April or soon there after...

True, end april i receive the new production of Groove X-6 and the new Groove X-7

Quote:
Now how about a Groove X-7 Red Extreme. That sounds really tasty.

Can anyone explain the difference between a MEdiastation X-76 Pro and a GRoove X-7? they would have the same functionallity right?On the Groove keyboards are installed the Fatar TP/9 keys, no so heavy and Pro as the TP8/SK of the Mediastation.
On groove is not possible install the PRO expansion boards for 20 Audio IN and 20 audio outs.
OS remain the same for the two models.

[QUOTE]ASo does this mean the Mediastation will not be build anymore and its replaced by the Groove? (which should be essentially the same instrument except for the collor)

wrong
Before summer I will release the NEW Mediastation models, new Case, NEW hardware and new OS only for the mediastation.
Give a BIG new hardware surprise...

Maybe I have a nice idea...
We can open a new Topic with a POOL...WHO guess 100% what for new hardware specification I will include on new Mediastation V2.. can WIN for FREE the first Pcs on stock.
Can be interesting?
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 11:45 AM

Quote:

We can open a new Topic with a POOL...WHO guess 100% what for new hardware specification I will include on new Mediastation V2.. can WIN for FREE the first Pcs on stock.
Can be interesting? [/B]


Let me see 2 Six-Core AMD Opteron™ processor (Models 2400 & 8400), 64 GB memmory and a 16.1" touchscreen. And softkey touchsensitive drumpads. Motorfaders and a new soundcard.


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Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 11:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Let me see 2 Six-Core AMD Opteron™ processor (Models 2400 & 8400), 64 GB memmory and a 16.1" touchscreen. And softkey touchsensitive drumpads. And a new soundcard.


So should i mail you my adress so you can send me my price
Posted by: BlkNotes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 12:10 PM

Hello Domenic;

How are you? Question about the new styles. Are these like audio loop styles that can be played in the arranger mode? ( i.e. recognize chord changes and follow)?

Thanks
Posted by: Fran Carango

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 12:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
Quote:
SAdly there are no demo's of the Eder swing available... I have learned from Helmut at Tastenpoint.at that he will put some demo's up with his stuff very soon..

Helmut gave me some styles to test, I have upload on server and soon James can test and record video too.

Quote:
I also learned from Helmut that there would be a GRoove X-7 with 76 keys and only measuring 106 cm comming in April or soon there after...

True, end april i receive the new production of Groove X-6 and the new Groove X-7

Quote:
Now how about a Groove X-7 Red Extreme. That sounds really tasty.

Can anyone explain the difference between a MEdiastation X-76 Pro and a GRoove X-7? they would have the same functionallity right?On the Groove keyboards are installed the Fatar TP/9 keys, no so heavy and Pro as the TP8/SK of the Mediastation.
On groove is not possible install the PRO expansion boards for 20 Audio IN and 20 audio outs.
OS remain the same for the two models.

[QUOTE]ASo does this mean the Mediastation will not be build anymore and its replaced by the Groove? (which should be essentially the same instrument except for the collor)

wrong
Before summer I will release the NEW Mediastation models, new Case, NEW hardware and new OS only for the mediastation.
Give a BIG new hardware surprise...

Maybe I have a nice idea...
We can open a new Topic with a POOL...WHO guess 100% what for new hardware specification I will include on new Mediastation V2.. can WIN for FREE the first Pcs on stock.
Can be interesting?


Dom, that is easy....An eight part harmonizer...and CDG player...
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 01:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
Nice video James!
I have upload it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IdKEgE11Q

tip:
when you editing the all volumes tracks, then just press ENTER and will save your new setting.
In this way when you recall it again you have back your all sounds setting levels.
Download from GFTP server the EDER SWING qranger audio style if you like to test how the audio styles with audio drums loops are working.
cheers


Dom
I have watched the YouTube now that’s how it should be done, you should have sent a MS to James a lot earlier your turnover would be much improved and I might not have bought an Audya. James will do a professional job for you with much more to come, sending James the KB should prove a wise move.

Tony


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Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
[QUOTE]Before summer I will release the NEW Mediastation models, new Case, NEW hardware and new OS only for the mediastation.
Give a BIG new hardware surprise...

Maybe I have a nice idea...
We can open a new Topic with a POOL...WHO guess 100% what for new hardware specification I will include on new Mediastation V2.. can WIN for FREE the first Pcs on stock.
Can be interesting?


Maybe a new LED adjustable touchscreen

Dennis
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 01:53 PM

James,

Can we do MS requests or is it too early, “You Raise Me Up”. Right hand those bagpipes and whatever you fancy off the Audya for a style left hand, have you got the styles for the Audya.
Tony
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 01:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
Maybe a new LED adjustable touchscreen

Dennis



Dennis

Yes as long as the price is under £2000.00 it's a winner. What did you think of James YouTube. Dennis I can still smell the cordite and gun oil as the big guns are loading up can you, think they may be firing blanks on the MS.

Tony

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Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 02:23 PM

Well the bad news is that the guitar , and the horns and the organ(to a lesser extent ) did not sound very good compared to most TOTL closed systems. Especially the Horns and guitar in that blues demo. But the drums sounded excellent. Very live. I can understand why they dominated the the style in the funk demo because the rest of the style/sounds were actually quite poor.

Programming realistic sounding horns is actually quite difficult in arranger style especially when the horns are sounding as you change chord. Its practically impossible with poor samples like what i just heard.

I really wanted to like these demos and i know i will be booed from here to kingdom come but they dont cut it to my ears. I am only being honest . If it was meant to denonstrate how much better giga samples should sound on the MS then Dom really should think again about this. listen to this blues style from the Korg Pa http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/en/products/pa2x_demo.html?en

Go down to the styles section and listen to the blues style. Or click on the funk R&B style and listen to the drums bass but especially the horns. Does the demo Dom just posted for the world to hear even compare ??

I will reserve judgement until James has done a couple of style converted improvements on the MS.

I am not being overly negative, just saying what i heard.
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 02:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Dom, that is easy....An eight part harmonizer...and CDG player...



Thats not hardware... thats software... There are some very good software harmonizers available (Don't know tough if they can do 8 parts)

And that GDC player, thats also just a software update.
Posted by: 124

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 02:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
Nice video James!
I have upload it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IdKEgE11Q

tip:
when you editing the all volumes tracks, then just press ENTER and will save your new setting.
In this way when you recall it again you have back your all sounds setting levels.
Download from GFTP server the EDER SWING qranger audio style if you like to test how the audio styles with audio drums loops are working.
cheers


Er . . . the you tube vid freezes at 1:58. so I didn't get to hear the full thing, just James' setting up.

The blues and funk styles you posted just after that - sorry, I'll have to pass on those. Spalding said it all.
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 03:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:

[QUOTE]
wrong
Before summer I will release the NEW Mediastation models, new Case, NEW hardware and new OS only for the mediastation.
Give a BIG new hardware surprise... [

Maybe I have a nice idea...
We can open a new Topic with a POOL...WHO guess 100% what for new hardware specification I will include on new Mediastation V2.. can WIN for FREE the first Pcs on stock.
Can be interesting? [/b]



-10.4" touchscreen maybe wide
-joystick
-usb 3.0
-large harddrive maybe raid or one 8GB ssd for O.S and basic giga GM/GS libray in combination with a normal harddrive
-slim line dvdburner
-video out and hdmi ( GeForce 8400 GS 1GB ddr2 pci express)
-cardreader
-new mainboard with sata 3 and usb 3 otherwise the same mainboard now used.
-4 gb ddr2 memory standard but if you like you can later upgrade to 16 gb or if domenico use new mainboard use one with ddr3 support and 4gb memory.
-Pro Expansion inputs
-Pro Expansion outputs
-no wooden side but Design side like openlabs or roland or behringer(for behringer powerd mixers) with a lionstracs logo or text(lionstracs most have a logo like other brands, maybe a Lion logo
-movable lcd like korg oasys or tyros3 or can move totally and conect with a cable like akai s6000 http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/SNAMM98/Akai/S6000-large.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/2612211832_bec699aac6.jpg or it can be something like Fantom G (but akai s6000 option is very good for live and when you have 2 keyboards).
-atx powesupply more then 500 W or maybe fanlees powesupply if possible and good efficiency or silent fan if fanless is to heavy.
-new good and pro design for case and layout.
-new design for data select wheel (Encoder Wheel) like fanrom G
-new name (i posted one new name idea to domenico)
-new micboard with 2 mic inputs and 4 line inputs.
-mic control faders and keys
-maybe new mixerboard or other board to the mixerboard that lionstracs use now with arranger parts footcontroller-and digtal output and input.
-brushed aluminium case color
http://www.basoo.co.uk/Metal.jpg

buyer can choose from four case colors: gold-red-sliver-black

-inline faders (faders with Slider Brackets)like fantom G: http://www.bonnersmusic.co.uk/file_store/28723.jpg or one pro model with motorized faders
-metronom leds
-new amd AMD Athlon II X2 or AMD Athlon II X3 or AMD Athlon II X4 CPU. if is possible fanless cooler or slient cpu fan.
-gooseneck Lamps with XLR male connectors
-76 fatar keys
-touchpad like a laptop
http://www.ergotouchpad.com/
http://www.ergonomicssimplified.com/prod...t-touchpad1.jpg



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Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 04:57 PM

err AFG, I THINK you are meant to choose just one

D
Posted by: abacus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 04:58 PM

Points to note when listening to styles

Be aware that QArranger can use samples and audio loops (Just like Audya) and with no information on the styles presented, we have no indication on which parts are which.
Another point to remember is that all the styles will be European flavoured as this his Tastenpoints main market. (Compare them with the Wersi styles on the same site which are also European flavoured)
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 05:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
err AFG, I THINK you are meant to choose just one

D


no,i I mean 100% if is possible!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/23/10 09:20 PM

Take a look at this WOW, I thought it was from Robo Cop but then realized it was a clip from The Invisible Man. James this video is much more shaky than yours and much less interesting, who would make a video like this , got to be an MS anorak, no wonder I can’t hear it , seen the speakers, never did like golf, spoils a good walk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_dg9_9GNJk&feature=related

Bet the soundtrack was "The Hills are alive with the sound of music" Or "The Great Escape"

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Posted by: abacus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 08:15 AM

Information from the Tastenpoint forum posted by Helmut

He has finished the first 10 AUDIO styles for Groove/Mediastation, and should be posting demos on the Tastenpoint site this Friday after he returns from Frankfurt.
NOTE: There is no indication whether the ones posted by Lionstracs are from this set

Hope this information helps

Bill
Posted by: Spalding 4

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 11:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by abacus:
Information from the Tastenpoint forum posted by Helmut

He has finished the first 10 AUDIO styles for Groove/Mediastation, and should be posting demos on the Tastenpoint site this Friday after he returns from Frankfurt.
NOTE: There is no indication whether the ones posted by Lionstracs are from this set

Hope this information helps

Bill


i really hope they were not .......
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 11:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Spalding 4:
i really hope they were not .......



I've been busy so I've not looked at them myself yet, but I will get around to this tonight so I'll report back on them.

Regards
James
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 12:03 PM

Quote:
And one more Question for James, how is the keybed of your mediastation ?


It's a Fatar keybed that feels quite nice actually. Semi Weighted with a solid feel. No bounce in the middle when you hit the keys hard. At no point does it feel floppy at all.

The velocity curve of the keys is also fully adjustable from the Lionstracs OS. You can actually draw your own curve on the screen using all the sliders. Once completed you can then save that as a user setting which you can recall at any time.

For me I've created two user profiles for the velocity curve at this point. One with a deep dynamic range for when playing Piano, and a second for just general use. Something more typical of what you would find on a keyboard as a default setup.

It's a personal thing. I just like to have a very deep velocity curve when playing sounds like piano so I can get as much control over the dynamic range as possible.

One thing I need to figure out at a later point though is how to stop the keyboard defaulting back to the default velocity curve when I shut it down. When I bootup right now, I have to select my velocity curve settings on the screen.

Same goes for the master FX. That too defaults back to the factory setting.

Quote:
Does the Groove have the same keybed quallity?


No idea, never played one and I don't know what model keybed is in both. Domenico would have to answer that one.

Regards
James

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Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 12:12 PM

My God! Maybe Dom actually had a plan...

Make the MS demos so bad that Tony would go and buy an Audya instead, then he wouldn't have had months, if not YEARS of listening to him whine about 'why isn't it finished yet?', 'why doesn't it work right?', 'why can't I understand it?', 'what's the countdown to the NEXT update?', 'why can't I figure out what is wrong with it even when everybody is telling me how to fix it?' ad nauseam...

Smart move, Dom..!
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 12:12 PM

Hi James
IF you will recall automatically all your own setups, like FX, velocity curve and so on..just save your own setup with the name: default
Every time that you booting or restart the players, the OS will automatically load the all " default" setups.

On MS we use the top Fatar TP8/SK version: http://fatar.com/Pages/TP_8SK.htm

On Groove we use the universal cheap version: http://fatar.com/Pages/TP_9S.htm
( the same used from ketron..is not so bad BUT is NOT the TP8/SK!)
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 12:15 PM

Thanks for the answers James... (and Dom)

Sad thing that the Groove hasn't the same quallity keybed as teh MS... But you can't have it all.. But i bet since they are handbuild, you can get any keybed in your Groove you want as long as you pay for it...

Back to the vellocity curve... It would be great if the system would remember your preferences and boot to that at start up...

And even better would be if in addition to that you could save a velocity curve to your performace... SO it automatically switches from performance to performace... Playing piano at song A with your band and playing Organ at song B would not require manually setting the velocity curve.

Can't wayt for the update later tonight... so i'll be back later ...

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Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 12:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
My God! Maybe Dom actually had a plan...

Make the MS demos so bad that Tony would go and buy an Audya instead, then he wouldn't have had months, if not YEARS of listening to him whine about 'why isn't it finished yet?', 'why doesn't it work right?', 'why can't I understand it?', 'what's the countdown to the NEXT update?', 'why can't I figure out what is wrong with it even when everybody is telling me how to fix it?' ad nauseam...

Smart move, Dom..!


Diki..you seem always only frustrated..
hey...is NOT my fault IF Roland dont have released your new TOTL arranger and Ketron not released the OS4.0..
For you Roland released the new Gaia..to MUCH for you..

IF where some NEWS on the musikmesse, we will know already today...but you see??
always the same...change the box..inside remain the same soup..
State-of-the art...com on..dont make me laugh...need another 5-10 years untill they arrival on my state..
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 12:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
Hi James
IF you will recall automatically all your own setups, like FX, velocity curve and so on..just save your own setup with the name: default
Every time that you booting or restart the players, the OS will automatically load the all " default" setups.


Ooohh, perfect.
That will do nicely.

Cheers
James
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 12:45 PM

Dom, my frustration is with Tony, nothing to do with my G70 (which I am still happily playing... got two of them now!), or the MS or anything else you would care to make up

It just boils down to having to listen to Tony and leezone play tagteam on the Audya for the last few months. Perhaps you ought to talk to THEM about their frustration? Mind you, talk them into an MS, and be prepared for the same treatment...
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 04:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
Hi James
IF you will recall automatically all your own setups, like FX, velocity curve and so on..just save your own setup with the name: default
Every time that you booting or restart the players, the OS will automatically load the all " default" setups.


Hi Domenico.

Sorry but that still doesn't work for me. I've overwritten the “default” setting for both the velocity curve and the reverb but it's still not loading those settings on bootup.

The velocity curve displayed after bootup are not my settings. So I still have to load the progarm “default” after it boots to get it to load my velocity curve.

It's a little different with the reverb effects though. After bootup it does display my settings, but what I hear is not my settings. So I run load the default program and only then does it actually sound like it should.

So there's something a little odd going on there that's not normal.

Regards
James

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Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 04:50 PM

Yep, that was one of the issues I had too James. Looks like it may still be a small problem.

In the end I just had my little startup routine where I just went and adjusted it manually every time I started it.

Similar issues with the Performance saving (you know, the "snapshot" of all settings that you supposedly can recall later. That not only did not recall anything it also crashed the system...

Although to be fair, I don't know if thats part of the current OS or if Dom dropped it as it was so full of bugs.

Dennis
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 05:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi Domenico.

Sorry but that still doesn't work for me. I've overwritten the “default” setting for both the velocity curve and the reverb but it's still not loading those settings on bootup.

The velocity curve displayed after bootup are not my settings. So I still have to load the progarm “default” after it boots to get it to load my velocity curve.

It's a little different with the reverb effects though. After bootup it does display my settings, but what I hear is not my settings. So I run load the default program and only then does it actually sound like it should.

So there's something a little odd going on there that's not normal.

Regards
James

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is first time for me to, try this first erase/delete default, then make your settings and then save it again as default. maybe this help!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 11:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
is first time for me to, try this first erase/delete default, then make your settings and then save it again as default. maybe this help!!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-24-2010).]


Never delete a file in Linux, allways make a backup copy from your orriginal file first then remove the file

open terminal
go to the directory that contains the default file (Ask Dom)

cp -rp default default.bckp
rm default

This way you have your orriginal file still available
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/24/10 11:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Dom, my frustration is with Tony, nothing to do with my G70 (which I am still happily playing... got two of them now!), or the MS or anything else you would care to make up

It just boils down to having to listen to Tony and leezone play tagteam on the Audya for the last few months. Perhaps you ought to talk to THEM about their frustration? Mind you, talk them into an MS, and be prepared for the same treatment...


Diki,

If Dom has done his homework, market research, debugging, got all his OSsss up to date he has nothing to fear from Leezone or me. There has never been a problem with me or Leezone we just want things to be right, we want a fair deal, we know we both bang on a bit but, hang on, who doesn't! I look in the mirror every morning and think WOW what a handsome lad I am for 66, and all those girls in the past. What do you say to the mirror in a morning Diki, "I'll go on SZ and see what Leezone and Tone's got for me today". I'm off to the day job now Diki, you take care, take no notice of me it's just my age, that my excuse! Diki there are other people with Audyas who are frankly well p***d off with Ketron but don't bitch on SZ because they know they are going to get attacked, all they have done is part with their hard earned cash, it's that simple, it’s not a joke ,it’s £4200, just say it slowly, it even sounds worse in dollars. I am afraid you and me see things differently and you will always come to the wire and sometimes you will jump on it, I’m not doing that, I will see everybody’s point of view and accept it right or wrongly, live and let live, I do know distinctively when something isn’t right!


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Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 04:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Never delete a file in Linux, allways make a backup copy from your orriginal file first then remove the file

open terminal
go to the directory that contains the default file (Ask Dom)

cp -rp default default.bckp
rm default

This way you have your orriginal file still available


i make always a backup from my home folder to a external harddrive after, i install a fresh instalation in format harddrive. i do this before that i install giga library-video-mp3-.wine...........

i make always a backup from my last settings(giga library and...................)

to a external hard drive to.

but if james lose something he can always copy the losed file from his backup or maybe is better what you said, thanks becouse i was forget to write this.
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 05:56 AM

sorry...my mistake.
"default" files are the basic setup presets, because need min 1 file configuration on each directory or the OS not work.

For the auto loading preset give a different name but I dont remember how must be written.
I try to search myself on the source code but I can not find. I don't have skill for writing CC+ code, I have to ask to my developer.
This is a 5 years old features and I relly don't remember how must working.
Right now my developer is to much busy for the Rack 2U VASIO firmware to debug, when have time will let me know what is the right name to save.

Just some patience...you there have a lot of time to test first the Audya OS4...
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 06:06 AM

Hey Tony, 90% of your problems were your own fault. We TOLD you what to do, and you refused to take our advice. Now you have reinstalled the data, what's your problem NOW? Other than of course, some kind of epic dissatisfaction with the whole thing. You did NO market research, no extensive playing before you bought it, and you want to blame somebody other than yourself. Best of luck, mate. There IS nobody else to blame.

Doesn't stop you, though, does it?

Problem is, your incessant posting of your self-induced problems spilled over onto just about every thread here, regardless of whether it had the slightest to do with Ketron or not. I would only LOVE to have been able to ignore you, but you made it your life's work to spread your misinformation and vitriol everywhere. It got tedious. It is STILL tedious.

Just go buy an MS. I can't think of anything that would be a better reward for having turned SZ into your personal venting arena than the nightmare of bug hell and completely misunderstood operation that you would face. It would almost be worth giving SZ up for, because you would be posting your despair and complete lack of comprehension on every thread here for years to come...

And I don't think I could take that any more...
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 07:19 AM

Thanks for the advice guys.
Having a backup of the HOME folder goes without saying here with me. It's just something I'd automatically expect to do. Same goes for my OASYS, PC, Laptop, iPhone and so on.....

You never know when you will need it.

Regards
James
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 07:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
sorry...my mistake.
"default" files are the basic setup presets, because need min 1 file configuration on each directory or the OS not work.

For the auto loading preset give a different name but I dont remember how must be written.
I try to search myself on the source code but I can not find. I don't have skill for writing CC+ code, I have to ask to my developer.
This is a 5 years old features and I relly don't remember how must working.
Right now my developer is to much busy for the Rack 2U VASIO firmware to debug, when have time will let me know what is the right name to save.


No worries, I can live with having to load the two default settings manually each time I bootup until it's fixed.

The COMBI mode bug would be kind of important though as that directly effects your ability to use it in a live situation. You just don't know what your going to get when you select a sound.

Actually, just thinking out loud here, is the problem there due to the fact that the program and variation information is not being written into the file ? If that all that's wrong with it I can write my own program that patches the file and that will tie me over until it's fixed.

I might even write a librarian editor for the keyboard. The file structure looks simple enough so it would be easy enough to write something for it that allows anyone to quickly organise and move around their sounds. For example, take layer 1 from one sound and mix it with layer 4 from another and merge them both together into a new sound and so on.


Quote:
Just some patience...you there have a lot of time to test first the Audya OS4...




Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 07:51 AM

PS: The on screen sliders for Cut, Reso, Atck, and Decay have no effect on Giga sounds at all.

The basic of any sound engine are ADSR.... and I don't see any Release at all ?

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 07:58 AM

Hi Diki.

To be fair to Tony the OS installation does use a Check Sum so if anything goes wrong it's not his fault. It's Ketrons.

Nobody should have to stand on one leg while chanting some Ketron prayer that the OS will install right.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 08:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
PS: The on screen sliders for Cut, Reso, Atck, and Decay have no effect on Giga sounds at all.

The basic of any sound engine are ADSR.... and I don't see any Release at all ?

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]


on some giga sounds this controolers are working, depend IF the giga sound was developed with this filters too.
On gigastudio you have to assing each midi CC funcions to the relative desidered control.
98% of the gigalibrary sounds included are made with the Extreme sample converter.
the sounds developer just adjust the loops and some basic CC.
Try to copy one complete giga sounds with the all controllers and then you can see that are working.
No my fault this time...
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 08:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
on some giga sounds this controolers are working, depend IF the giga sound was developed with this filters too.
On gigastudio you have to assing each midi CC funcions to the relative desidered control.
98% of the gigalibrary sounds included are made with the Extreme sample converter.
the sounds developer just adjust the loops and some basic CC.
Try to copy one complete giga sounds with the all controllers and then you can see that are working.
No my fault this time...


yes, if sound is devolped with this controllers then it works totally.

[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: vagro

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 10:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:

One thing I need to figure out at a later point though is how to stop the keyboard defaulting back to the default velocity curve when I shut it down. When I bootup right now, I have to select my velocity curve settings on the screen.


Hi James. Since you are talking about this subject would you please check when you have some time if the Velocity Curve affects external keyboards or sound modules connected via Midi out? I use the MS to play own sounds and as a controller for external keyboards simultaneously. Everytime I turn on the MS I open the Jack connection Kit go to the Midi tab and link "keyboard out" to "Midi out". The velocity curve from the MS does not affect the external sound (you will probably not found the same links in your OS).I also tried to create a permanent Midi out connection using the "patchbay" so I don't have to do this manually every time but only works for a short time. After a few minutes playing it stops the connection and I get notes stuck forcing me to restart the player or the MS. When I use button Nº 9 or 0 which use midi out (ch 1 or 2 respectively) the MS keyboard becomes a controller only (can't play own sounds). For me it's very important to adjust the velocity curve because I can't control well the my PSR's SA voices since the velocity sensititivity is too soft.
Thanks.


[This message has been edited by vagro (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 12:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Hey Tony, 90% of your problems were your own fault. We TOLD you what to do, and you refused to take our advice. Now you have reinstalled the data, what's your problem NOW? Other than of course, some kind of epic dissatisfaction with the whole thing. You did NO market research, no extensive playing before you bought it, and you want to blame somebody other than yourself. Best of luck, mate. There IS nobody else to blame.

Doesn't stop you, though, does it?

Problem is, your incessant posting of your self-induced problems spilled over onto just about every thread here, regardless of whether it had the slightest to do with Ketron or not. I would only LOVE to have been able to ignore you, but you made it your life's work to spread your misinformation and vitriol everywhere. It got tedious. It is STILL tedious.

Just go buy an MS. I can't think of anything that would be a better reward for having turned SZ into your personal venting arena than the nightmare of bug hell and completely misunderstood operation that you would face. It would almost be worth giving SZ up for, because you would be posting your despair and complete lack of comprehension on every thread here for years to come...

And I don't think I could take that any more...


Diki,

Every thread that ever been started gets high jacked in some way so don’t blame me for that. Here’s the deal you get me a MS off your mate Dom for $300 and you can have my Audya, BTW after I have tried and vetted and signed off OS4 next week Doh, If OS4 is no good the deals on, music to your ears Diki.
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 12:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi Diki.

To be fair to Tony the OS installation does use a Check Sum so if anything goes wrong it's not his fault. It's Ketrons.

Nobody should have to stand on one leg while chanting some Ketron prayer that the OS will install right.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]


James

There never was an explantion given about faults after loading early OSsss
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 01:18 PM

James, you were here through the entire saga. You saw us recommend he reinstall his data, you saw us recommend he get a disk image from someone whose Audya WAS working correctly. You saw him ignore us completely (and be quite arrogant about how much HE knew about the process) and continue to bitch about his issues without the slightest acknowledgment that others' Audya's actually worked correctly (which would clue any but the blind to a software issue) or that he hadn't really TRIED anything to fix it himself.

ALL keyboards can have software issues. Install a corrupted OS into ANYTHING and you can get unpredictable results, sometimes, you can bollix it up past fixing! And yes, even software manufacturers can get it wrong! I can't for the life of me imagine that this is the FIRST time something software has gone wrong in his life! I wonder if he spends all his time on the Microsoft website blogging about Windows issues? (Or Mac issues, trust me, they ALL got 'em!)

Dom, for the love of God, DON'T sell Tony an MS. At ANY price! Do you REALLY want the same treatment he gave Ketron, for the next few years? Do you want every last thing he can't figure out, let alone REAL bugs (James has already found a few, I doubt they are the last) being moaned about incessantly on every forum he can, on every thread he can?

You and I have had our issues over the years, but I NEVER gave you the kind of grief he has given us and Ketron, all over something that COULD have been quickly fixed if he wasn't so obstinate as to not take some peoples' well intentioned help. This guy makes me look like an angel...
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 01:29 PM

Another thread gone *sigh*

James can you start another new thread with further developments on your MS?

This one will now just descend into tit for tat comments ad nauseum.

And having to wade through pages of crap to find gems is a real pain.

I just wish that if people have an axe to grind they start a new thread. That way we can all avoid it and stick with the main game.

Thanks
Dennis
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
Another thread gone *sigh*

James can you start another new thread with further developments on your MS?

This one will now just descend into tit for tat comments ad nauseum.

And having to wade through pages of crap to find gems is a real pain.

I just wish that if people have an axe to grind they start a new thread. That way we can all avoid it and stick with the main game.

Thanks
Dennis


i agree with you miden

guys,is this now a ketron thread?
is ok,that we talk about something else here, but this thread is started by James and

please write only about MS/Groove and James?

[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 02:31 PM

You guys didn't get the memo? Apparently, EVERY thread is a Ketron thread. This is the SZ General Ketron Arranger Forum, and nobody really cares about anything other than Tony and lee's every last gripe and whine.

This IS getting out of hand. Nigel (has for weeks, really), can't you start to do something..? You HAVE removed posts before without removing the whole thread. I, and I'm sure pretty much most of SZ would LOVE to see the Ketron issue relegated to it's own threads and prevented from dominating every issue...
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 02:39 PM

What MS really really needs to become the ultimate success is a huge community of people creating awesome stuff (Styles/sounds/performances) on it and sharing it over the web.

I am only wondering how long it will take till someone finds a way to copy all those gorgeous Audya styles and then create his own Q-ranger styles with that raw matterial... and finally sharing it on the web for free...

I don't wanna discuss if its legal or not... but when MS and groove become popular this is going to happen making them even more popular.

And best thing is, Ketron will not sell one instrument less, because a Ketron Customer that likes a closed system that will work straight out of the box will never buy an open system that needs to be tweaked with every song they want to play.

And you can also count on your fingers that there will be a gorgeous freeware soundset available that can stand up to T3 and so make the Mediastation the perfect system to play T3 styles, or a soundset with Roland quallity so Diki can play his favourite styles on MS too.


I don't say its legal, but its going to happen when the Groove becomes popular and mainstream... And people like Helmut Ederer developing styles for the Mediastation and trying to sell it in Germany and Austria will only speed up that process.


I have doubted very long about the possible success of Mediastation and Groove, but the instrument has grown month after month and its finally ready for mainstream music market. As long as Dom keeps improving it (like debugging the faults found by James) and adding more feautures to it, the company has a bright future and will gladly take over the place of companies that stopped being innovative and have left the arranger buiseness (Roland, Wersi, Gem)
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 03:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
As long as Dom keeps improving it (like debugging the faults found by James) and adding more feautures to it,


With due respect Bachus, those faults on the MS identified by James, were already identified by me on this forum a year ago.

Along with a few others that I am also waiting to see if they have been sorted.

One that DOES seem to have been fixed is the J.A.C.K. operation. So thats a good start.

But the others (as confirmed by James) still have not been addressed from OS 3.
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 03:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
With due respect Bachus, those faults on the MS identified by James, were already identified by me on this forum a year ago.

Along with a few others that I am also waiting to see if they have been sorted.

One that DOES seem to have been fixed is the J.A.C.K. operation. So thats a good start.

But the others (as confirmed by James) still have not been addressed from OS 3.


Debugging and improving things is based on priorities...

Since the MS has improved a lot since 3.3, i guess there are still some things left to be repaired... as ther allways are in software buiseness.

Atleast we all agree on the fact that Dom listens to the playerbase and improves the instruments step by step.
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 03:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:

Atleast we all agree on the fact that Dom listens to the playerbase and improves the instruments step by step.


Totally
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 03:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
With due respect Bachus, those faults on the MS identified by James, were already identified by me on this forum a year ago.

Along with a few others that I am also waiting to see if they have been sorted.

One that DOES seem to have been fixed is the J.A.C.K. operation. So thats a good start.

But the others (as confirmed by James) still have not been addressed from OS 3.


only, James makes video from problems he finds. Domenico will know what exactly is going on then, MS / Groove users are happy that someone, so loudly and clearly explain something. people who are interested in lionstracs products are happier. but I must say that the bugs I found are fixed quickly.

and my suggestions as that of others if they are practicable be taken seriously by lionstracs. on lionstracs forum Domenico had a wish list for users, but becouse of some negative prejudices here, he was very tired.
here were even people who had wanted him to stop this product.
when I see the OS now, I can say it is so close to the finish line, maybe some very small steps still to do. if the O.S once reached the finish line, other options that are asked are very simple to make. This product will ever be the best selling product, by which he can and others can not do.

[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 04:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
on some giga sounds this controolers are working, depend IF the giga sound was developed with this filters too.
On gigastudio you have to assing each midi CC funcions to the relative desidered control.
98% of the gigalibrary sounds included are made with the Extreme sample converter.
the sounds developer just adjust the loops and some basic CC.
Try to copy one complete giga sounds with the all controllers and then you can see that are working.
No my fault this time...


Ok, I understand.

So you have the 4 sliders locked down and named as doing very specific functions, jet they don't connect in anyway to those functions in the Linux Playback Sampler software driving the sound.

It depends on the giga files to tell the playback sampler what to do when the sliders are moved.

So in short, even though slider 1 is called Cutoff, it could easily be Attack if the Giga file uses attack on that CC number. Man that's confusing. Why name the sliders in the first place if that's the case. Why not just list them as real time controls and name them by their CC number.

My V-Machine gives me direct access to the ADSR of the playback sampler which is the way I'd expect any system to work.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 04:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Ok, I understand.

So you have the 4 sliders locked down and named as doing very specific functions, jet they don't connect in anyway to those functions in the Linux Playback Sampler software driving the sound.

It depends on the giga files to tell the playback sampler what to do when the sliders are moved.

So in short, even though slider 1 is called Cutoff, it could easily be Attack if the Giga file uses attack on that CC number. Man that's confusing. Why name the sliders in the first place if that's the case. Why not just list them as real time controls and name them by their CC number.

My V-Machine gives me direct access to the ADSR of the playback sampler which is the way I'd expect any system to work.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]


The main 8 sliders are always available to the all sounds engines that you recall, depend only IF the sound engine is enalbe to receive this midi CC.
This first 8 MAIN slider, have the CC controller fixed on the code.

IF you need more slider controllers, for each sound engine you have also another 36 realtime CC controller, just press the MS key: MIXER and will display a lot of sliders.
With the key: 8-16, 9-32 you can switch goup.

This all CC controllers sliders are also available to the external Midi OUT expander, you can use the ASIO PATCH 9-0, that work only for the 2 external midi Outs.

IF you dont like the 36 CC controller assigned, open your Presets folder and locate the file: midictrl.
Open with the kwrite editor and you see this:

[slider_1]
midictrl = 71 ;
name = CC71 TVF Resonance modify ;

[slider_2]
midictrl = 72 ;
name = CC72 Env Release time ;

[slider_3]
midictrl = 73 ;
name = CC73 Env Attack time ;

[slider_36]
midictrl = 42 ;
name = Midi CC42 ;

So..there you can edit your OWN midi CC that you like, edit the number: midictrl= xxx
and also the name to display on the interface( write James CC and the display will shown.. )

36+8 realtime slider CC I think you have enough.

here the shot.


[This message has been edited by LIONSTRACS (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: rphillipchuk

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 05:06 PM

I really hope that this thread continues on its "exploratory" path. Its been a long time coming !!!!! I do not know about you, but the first thing on my mind when I get on the Computer, is to see how James is making out with this.

My hope is that James will not lose his passion or perseverance, while doing this.

I guess it all boils down to James finding "bugs" or "abnormalities", duplicating them at will, presenting them in a way where Dom can completely understand what he has to do and then finally correcting the problem !!!


The beta tester ( James ) and the Manufacturer ( Dom ), working in sync...A great working scenario... Only good things for the Future !!!

Bravo !!!!! James and Dom ... Bravo !!!


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createsongstyles.com
fakesheets.com
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 05:08 PM

Thanks Domenico.
Extreme Sample Converter does embed Release values into Giga Files by default (value of 0.1sec), so I will see if CC72 on the screen there connects to that.

If it does I'll be laughing my ass off with Joy.

Cheers
James
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 05:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rphillipchuk:
I really hope that this thread continues on its "exploratory" path. Its been a long time coming !!!!! I do not know about you, but the first thing on my mind when I get on the Computer, is to see how James is making out with this.

My hope is that James will not lose his passion or perseverance, while doing this.

I guess it all boils down to James finding "bugs" or "abnormalities", duplicating them at will, presenting them in a way where Dom can completely understand what he has to do and then finally correcting the problem !!!


The beta tester ( James ) and the Manufacturer ( Dom ), working in sync...A great working scenario... Only good things for the Future !!!

Bravo !!!!! James and Dom ... Bravo !!!




Hi rphillipchuk.

For what it's worth at this stage of my exploration......

I think overall it's an excellent package now. It's extremely flexible, bootsup fine every time and as a Giga file / VSTi HOST it works extremely well, and I really mean extremely well.

As an arranger the third party software (Live Arranger) runs very well too but there's just two things I'd like to see. The ability to transpose a track an octave (maybe it does this already but I haven't found it yet) and when changing the sound assigned to a track I don't think everything displayed is applicable to the Meidastation. Looks more like SD2 sounds as many don't work. You just hear the same sound when you change to other sounds.

The only thing I don't like is JACK handling of Midi Data. Note on/off data can get lost very easily when you do certain things like stop and start a HOST, or even with the arranger if you hold down a chord while pressing the transpose, note off data is lost for those keys you were holding down so any Chord you play from this point onwards will have those lost notes added to your chord until you press those lost notes and the note off data is sent.

So all in all right now it's hotting up to be one hell of a package and my only beef would be with JACK. Sadly that's a third party program.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 05:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi rphillipchuk.

For what it's worth at this stage of my exploration......

I think overall it's an excellent package now. It's extremely flexible, bootsup fine every time and as a Giga file / VSTi HOST it works extremely well, and I really mean extremely well.

As an arranger the third party software (Live Arranger) runs very well too but there's just two things I'd like to see. The ability to transpose a track an octave (maybe it does this already but I haven't found it yet) and when changing the sound assigned to a track I don't think everything displayed is applicable to the Meidastation. Looks more like SD2 sounds as many don't work. You just hear the same sound when you change to other sounds.

The only thing I don't like is JACK handling of Midi Data. Note on/off data can get lost very easily when you do certain things like stop and start a HOST, or even with the arranger if you hold down a chord while pressing the transpose, note off data is lost for those keys you were holding down so any Chord you play from this point onwards will have those lost notes added to your chord until you press those lost notes and the note off data is sent.

So all in all right now it's hotting up to be one hell of a package and my only beef would be with JACK. Sadly that's a third party program.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 03-25-2010).]


you mean qjack or jack?


if you have problems with qjack you can ask Rui your self here:
http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/

anyway it might as well tell it to jack pragramers if it had nothing to do with qjack
http://jackaudio.org/

[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-25-2010).]
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/25/10 07:37 PM

I'm not sure what you mean. Doesn't everything not pass through Jack Audio Connection Kit ?

Normally sitting on Desktop 3

Regards
James
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 03:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
I'm not sure what you mean. Doesn't everything not pass through Jack Audio Connection Kit ?

Normally sitting on Desktop 3

Regards
James


on disktop 3 you qjack.qjack is a gui programed by Rui to control jack audio and it can do more then only control jack(becouse jack audio is a backend engine). First you must find out if this problem is caused by jack backend engine, or the qjack gui does something wrong.
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 03:46 AM

Quote:
The only thing I don't like is JACK handling of Midi Data. Note on/off data can get lost very easily when you do certain things like stop and start a HOST, or even with the arranger if you hold down a chord while pressing the transpose, note off data is lost for those keys you were holding down so any Chord you play from this point onwards will have those lost notes added to your chord until you press those lost notes and the note off data is sent..


Nothing to do with Jack, this is a feature from MS OS.
Do you have to understand that we are running to many different sounds engines ( windows too) and we dont know HOW they respond with the all CC.
Example: IF you press one chord on DSP rom/Asio host, we send the Note ON.
If you still hold the chord and change sound engine, the midi port will changed and play on the new midi out/sound engine.
Of course, on the last sound engine used, you still have the note ON and then you can not reset. ( the only waht then is to press the key: RESET that will send the reset and all note OFF to the al ports)
Same of course happen IF you global transpose, every time that you transpose we have first to send the ALL note OFF.

I know about this all note off, dont worry, but is the only way for playing the all sounds engines.

Notes:
From OS 4.0, we have added this features, just for use some more SEQ independent from the keyboard midi router:
# ASIO 1: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 5.
# ASIO 2: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 6.
# ASIO 3: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 7.
# ASIO 4: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 8.
# ASIO 5: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 9. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 6: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 10. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 7: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 11. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 8: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 12. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/lionstracs-os-40-p-242.html

Is this what you mean?
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 04:06 AM

Quote:

Nothing to do with Jack, this is a feature from MS OS.
Do you have to understand that we are running to many different sounds engines ( windows too) and we dont know HOW they respond with the all CC.
Example: IF you press one chord on DSP rom/Asio host, we send the Note ON.
If you still hold the chord and change sound engine, the midi port will changed and play on the new midi out/sound engine.
Of course, on the last sound engine used, you still have the note ON and then you can not reset. ( the only waht then is to press the key: RESET that will send the reset and all note OFF to the al ports)
Same of course happen IF you global transpose, every time that you transpose we have first to send the ALL note OFF.

I know about this all note off, dont worry, but is the only way for playing the all sounds engines.

Notes:
From OS 4.0, we have added this features, just for use some more SEQ independent from the keyboard midi router:
# ASIO 1: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 5.
# ASIO 2: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 6.
# ASIO 3: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 7.
# ASIO 4: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 8.
# ASIO 5: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 9. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 6: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 10. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 7: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 11. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 8: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 12. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/lionstracs-os-40-p-242.html

Is this what you mean?



I know a better way around this problem.use midi usb keyboard controllers conected to the asio. so that you have two or more asio available in real time (depending on number of USB MIDI keyboard controllers that you have). You do not have to go from one asio to another, but just control the selected sound via USB MIDI keyboard controllers. This way you charge less the cpu. it is as if you have an arranger with 2 or more synthesizers.


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Posted by: Magica Alfa

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 06:47 AM

I'm glad James that you find something in MS.

All is going thrue JACKS.

But better to understand JACKS Dom explain you all.

Some work was made before for you by LIONSTRACS. That mean that VST are connected.

Now you need first to learn how they are connected.

After that you can learn that you can control each VST with sliders. That is easy work you will see.

Each VST you can control as you learn it in VST HOST.

About external keyboard: yes MIDI USB is great idea. I test it and it is works. You will need less time to connect than you thing.

About DEFAULT EFFECT ON SOUND: I made in this way:

All effects are under PRESET. You copy DEFAULT and than set default effects as you want and save it as default. You will have setup of default effect that need to be done on startup.
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 07:28 AM

imagine if someone connect 1 or two or more of these controllers with usb cabel to MS/Groove:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/PCR-800/

simple!!!!!!
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 07:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
imagine if someone connect 1 or two or more of these controllers with usb cabel to MS/Groove:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/PCR-800/

simple!!!!!!


yes , true
I have one client that have buy 3 Roland PCR-800.
The MS is used on bottom as master keyboard with the all sound system.
1 PCR-800 Jack connect to the B4 ASIO host as second manual.
1 PCR-800 Jack connect to ASIO Host 1= Superwave P8
1 PCR-800 Jack connect to ASIO Host 4= NI Massive.

In realtime you can continue use the full features of the MS OS as a Master system, but PLUS the other 3 PCR controller for always play realtime the others engines!

This is the Open System, you buy only 1 keyboard and you wil use like you have 4 keybsoards!
Each PCR-800 is like a embedded Synth.
Is really fun, simple to use/connection ( only 1 USB cable) and at the end COST less!
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 08:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:

Nothing to do with Jack, this is a feature from MS OS.
Do you have to understand that we are running to many different sounds engines ( windows too) and we dont know HOW they respond with the all CC.
Example: IF you press one chord on DSP rom/Asio host, we send the Note ON.
If you still hold the chord and change sound engine, the midi port will changed and play on the new midi out/sound engine.
Of course, on the last sound engine used, you still have the note ON and then you can not reset. ( the only waht then is to press the key: RESET that will send the reset and all note OFF to the al ports)
Same of course happen IF you global transpose, every time that you transpose we have first to send the ALL note OFF.

I know about this all note off, dont worry, but is the only way for playing the all sounds engines.

Notes:
From OS 4.0, we have added this features, just for use some more SEQ independent from the keyboard midi router:
# ASIO 1: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 5.
# ASIO 2: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 6.
# ASIO 3: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 7.
# ASIO 4: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 8.
# ASIO 5: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 9. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 6: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 10. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 7: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 11. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
# ASIO 8: Mapped the ASIO HOST on Desktop 12. No Midi reset CC #120 on this port when switching engines.
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/lionstracs-os-40-p-242.html

Is this what you mean?



Yes, I totally understand but just to check here. So if note data does gets stuck pressing the reset button fixes the problem, and to avoid the problem in the first place, don't hold down keys when transposing or switching from mode to mode.

Yes ?


So how do you reset a VST HOST when it looses all ability to receive midi data from it being stopped and started or some other reason like simply accessing certain items on the HOST's menu.

Kind Regards
James.



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Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 09:09 AM

I have a question for Dom...

Did you ever consider using Kore(player) as a host for NI Komplete. This way you need only 1 Asio host for all the NI Komplete instruments and many more.

I really like how Kore 2 functions, and you could set it up in such a way that you use your faders instead of your knobs. The Kore/player software is very userfriendly and works like a dream.

Maybe an Idea... add 8 knobs to your new mediastation to controll Kore (or anythingelse) that would give even more controll options then the GRoove allready has
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 09:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
I have a question for Dom...

Did you ever consider using Kore(player) as a host for NI Komplete. This way you need only 1 Asio host for all the NI Komplete instruments and many more.

I really like how Kore 2 functions, and you could set it up in such a way that you use your faders instead of your knobs. The Kore/player software is very userfriendly and works like a dream.

Maybe an Idea... add 8 knobs to your new mediastation to controll Kore (or anythingelse) that would give even more controll options then the GRoove allready has


it is possible already, install kore and conect a midi usb keyboard controller with knobs and sliders like roland edirol PSR 800. it wil be your second synth and you can controll kore totally in realtime with your midi usb controller and use other options of MS/Groove for other things. but your idea is not bad.
but when you at least use 1 other usb midi keyboard controller with knobs and sliders with MS / Groove,you create much more new potential with MS/Groove then has already.


if you have KORE 2 Controller for kore and conect it with usb cabel to one MS asio, and conect other usb midi keyboard controller to the same MS asio works to, and you can use the other MS options in realtime with this in realtime.
http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kore-2/?page=322

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Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
What MS really really needs to become the ultimate success is a huge community of people creating awesome stuff (Styles/sounds/performances) on it and sharing it over the web.

I am only wondering how long it will take till someone finds a way to copy all those gorgeous Audya styles and then create his own Q-ranger styles with that raw matterial... and finally sharing it on the web for free...

I don't wanna discuss if its legal or not... but when MS and groove become popular this is going to happen making them even more popular.

And best thing is, Ketron will not sell one instrument less, because a Ketron Customer that likes a closed system that will work straight out of the box will never buy an open system that needs to be tweaked with every song they want to play.

And you can also count on your fingers that there will be a gorgeous freeware soundset available that can stand up to T3 and so make the Mediastation the perfect system to play T3 styles, or a soundset with Roland quallity so Diki can play his favourite styles on MS too.


I don't say its legal, but its going to happen when the Groove becomes popular and mainstream... And people like Helmut Ederer developing styles for the Mediastation and trying to sell it in Germany and Austria will only speed up that process.


I have doubted very long about the possible success of Mediastation and Groove, but the instrument has grown month after month and its finally ready for mainstream music market. As long as Dom keeps improving it (like debugging the faults found by James) and adding more feautures to it, the company has a bright future and will gladly take over the place of companies that stopped being innovative and have left the arranger buiseness (Roland, Wersi, Gem)



Sorry, but I couldn't let it go. You brought the issue up, remember, not me...

The thing is, if a player has the choice between an open keyboard with NO Ketron styles and a real Ketron WITH their great styles, what's he going to do? To be honest, the vast majority of arranger users are more concerned about the styles IN an arranger, than the arranger itself. It's really one of the primary reasons anybody chooses one arranger over another...

And if he chooses the open keyboard but then pirates the Ketron styles, that's one LESS sale Ketron are going to make, because without the option, chances are that he WOULD have chosen the Ketron. And if a significant number of people choose the MS and pirate the styles, what happens as Ketron's bottom line dwindles past the already probably pretty low mark it is at now? Yep, that's right... they go under. And then there are NO new Ketron styles. And the guy that bought the MS and pirated the styles now has nothing new for the rest of time...

Anybody really want that?

This is such short term thinking. Unless Dom steps up to the plate, and starts to make styles for the MS of the same quality that the Ketron ones have (and there's been no evidence of that happening any time soon), OK, you get Ketron styles until they go broke (or copy protect them), and that will be the last you get. Get a REAL Ketron, and you are likely to be provided with new styles for the foreseeable future, but leave them with no income, and that's the end of the gravy train. You'd better REALLY like those styles they have out now! You'll be playing them a LONG, long time...

I also love your optimism that there will EVER be a freeware soundset for the MS that rivals the closed one. Let's face it, Yamaha have probably spent MILLIONS over the years honing and developing the soundset they have now in a T3. Making these things is NOT an easy process. It's VERY expensive and difficult to do. As proof, I offer the example of, even after YEARS of soundfont development by amateurs, there still isn't a single one out there as well integrated and consistent as the closed keyboards have. Anyone remember the 'T2 Clone' project that Dom talked about years ago? I wonder whatever happened to THAT? Truth is, once someone working on this starts to realize the technical, financial and artistic hurdles to actually achieving a complete soundset superior to a closed keyboard, they give up in frustration. Sure, you want AVERAGE GM/GS/XG playback, you got all kinds of options. But who wants that? Average sounds coming out of an anything BUT average arranger?

So, I love your optimism, but after what, five or SIX years of development, the open keyboards have yet to achieve an OVERALL superiority in integrated soundset. Sure, taken one by one, many of the sounds (possibly most) sound better by themselves. But taken TOGETHER (which is the whole POINT of an arranger), they still fail to be as well balanced and coherent as the sets in the T3/PA2X etc.. And I seriously doubt anyone is ever going to be able to develop something that does, and give it away for free. Or even affordably...

You want the best sounds available to come out of your MS, you are going to start to look at the prices of TOTL VSTi soundsets. I mean, are you REALLY contemplating getting something like the MS, and then putting budget GM VSTi's in it? No, you're going to want the best. The best drum libraries, the best guitar libraries, the best piano libraries, the best orchestral libraries, the best bass libraries, the best loop libraries, the best synth VSTi's, and so on and so forth (and don't even START to think about those megabuck orchestral libraries). And those will add up to more money than the MS costs by itself!

Best of luck with those free libraries! Or are you going to pirate all the sounds as well?

Once again, don't get me wrong. I LOVE the MS! I think it does what it does better than anything else out there. I'd LOVE a nice free one (or a €300 one!), and to be honest, if I had the spare cash lying around, I'd even consider one at full price! But I wouldn't go around thinking it will be either cheap or easy to load it up with firstly a soundset that rivals a closed arranger, and secondly with pirated styles that won't sound as good as the original arranger.

And one last comment... What has Dom's beta testing been like, when James is reporting issue after issue in his MS? While I appreciate that Dom is doing his best to squash the bugs as he gets the reports from James, surely Dom should have known about these issues in the first place, and should have squashed them before the software is inflicted on the general user (some of whom will be FAR less technical and understanding than James is - hint hint, Tony! ). Once these things get in the hands of regular arranger players (after all, that's what you are saying it should be), these issues are going to be frustrating.

While it's fascinating to watch all this unfold in real time out in the open here at SZ, what we are watching is a process that SHOULD have happened before the software was released in the first place, out of sight, out of mind, and while it's IS good to see that Dom is right on it (I wish other manufacturers were as responsive), it is also worrying to see how much actually slips out either untested or unfixed in the first place. You don't see this degree of bad beta testing from the majors (or at least, you didn't until the Audya!), and if Dom wants to be one of the major players soon, he might start to hire guys like James WAY before the software gets released, and do this process quietly, discretely and conclusively BEFORE it frustrates its' users (like it did Dennis)...

And, to kick things off, Dom, send ME a €300 MS and I will be only TOO happy to beta test it for you!
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 12:29 PM

there will always be people who do something free for musicians as it sounds:
http://www.flamestudios.org/free/GigaSamples

compare these sounds with a closed arranger. these sounds are free. there will ever be free styles for lionstracs created by users
This is all started by
tastenpoint
http://www.tastenpoint.at/



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Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 12:30 PM

Quote:

I also love your optimism that there will EVER be a freeware soundset for the MS that rivals the closed one. Let's face it, Yamaha have probably spent MILLIONS over the years honing and developing the soundset they have now in a T3. Making these things is NOT an easy process. It's VERY expensive and difficult to do.


Thats exactly why Lionstracs and open labs systems are the future..

Yamaha refuses to be inovative...They have the technology and the financial means to create keyboard instruments far beyound what they develope today. but they refuse to take the next step in innovation and choose for the safety of what they have allways produced.

While this seems save, it opens up teritority for companies that otherwise would have had no chance, and those necomers will in the end take a huge share of Yamaha's own market, thats how big time economics have allways worked. Be innovative or die (US car industry is a good example of this)

Running NI Kompletet on Mediastation puts the good old Yamaha instruments the class of thin and frail instruments.




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Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 01:03 PM

Diki, I think you totally missed the point of what he was saying.

With any end users community comes free files and the collective efforts of everyone are combined in one way or another. It's a simple fact of how things work.

I've already optimised a few Ketron styles that have interested me. Now that this work is done, nobody else has to do it if I share what I've done.

Your opinions on sharing styles....well... that's your opinion. You call it piracy yet you do it yourself.

As for sound, well I'm a sound desinger. Go to KORG forums and check out the Triton Section. Vast majorty of sound in there were created by me and given away for free.

Same goes for all the content. It's free. Who's to say that if a group of Mediastation users got to gether that the same won't happen ? Fact is it will, and I will be developing free and commercial sounds for the keyboard.

I believe Karo are also going to do the same.

Quote:
And one last comment... What has Dom's beta testing been like, when James is reporting issue after issue in his MS?


Your obviously not following the two conversation at all. I've only found two confirmed bugs in all my time with it so far.

Quote:
And, to kick things off, Dom, send ME a €300 MS and I will be only TOO happy to beta test it for you!


Is that meant to be a dig at me being bribed or something ? I told you and everyone else on this forum that I would be totally honest in reporting my findings good or bad, and that I could not be bought out. I'm not under any obligation to do anything for Domenico or anyone else here. The keyboard is mine to do with as I like. I could have taken it and posted nothing.

Fact is I'm true to my word. The mere fact that you know how much I paid for the Shipping and hardware upgrade just reinforced the fact that I'm not hiding anything and that I have been totally up front on all issues.

This is your first time getting to see real information posted on the forum and proper dialogue both ways between an end user and a developer asking serious questions. Plus you get to see it and hear the keyboard properly in the process which is something you have been asking for as long as I can remember.

So give me some credit man, I'm helping you out here too by doing all this you know.

Just sit back and enjoy getting to know the keyboard for the first time in detail. I'm far from done here and soon as I'm over my cold you will even hear me doing full performances on it as well as singing.

Regards
James.

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Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 01:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:


And one last comment... What has Dom's beta testing been like, when James is reporting issue after issue in his MS? While I appreciate that Dom is doing his best to squash the bugs as he gets the reports from James, surely Dom should have known about these issues in the first place, and should have squashed them before the software is inflicted on the general user (some of whom will be FAR less technical and understanding than James is - hint hint, Tony! ). Once these things get in the hands of regular arranger players (after all, that's what you are saying it should be), these issues are going to be frustrating.




Diki,

I have been watching before I throw my cap in, look Diki I know that you get a bit uptight with me, but be patience like I and others need to be. Diki,I don’t always see eye to eye with you but on this one I agree 1000% that Dom does not appear to have done a good job on the MS and I would compare that with ***** , Diki their all from the same family, you kick one and they will all limp! They are all basically ice-cream makers who have read practical electronic as kids. Dom is hedging his bets on James, but you know James has managed to stay in business without Dom and the MS, and will do in the future. My problem is, will James have enough time to devote to the exercise, I would think not, but James must answer that. He started off in all gusto of a racing driver, with some DVDs that looked like things were really going to take off, but now its gone silent, for me, I would want a few £1000.00 pounds to do Dom R&D, testing and advertising. For James to be finding bugs firms up what I said above, I don’t want anyone who looks at SZ to get the wrong messages, but come on Diki, I will never buy another KB unless I can have it free for a year and then pay for it, or send it back. I certainly won’t be buying 300 Euros of Ice-cream!

Tony

Raspberry Ripple for me Diki, big bowl, no chocy bits for me, look like bugs!

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Posted by: abacus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 01:35 PM

Tony & Diki
You must have short memories
I suggest you look back through various forums, and you will find all manufactures have had to issue updates to fix bugs found after release. (Even Yamaha and they are normally the bee’s knee’s when it comes to producing something that has no problems when released)

Bill
Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 01:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by abacus:
Tony & Diki
You must have short memories
Bill


Bill, what did you say your name was?

Look Bill, MS is like rocking horse dropping, there’s a photo around somewhere of one hundred in a pile, they are probably still there, you could not but one in the UK if you wanted one, how smart is that. You know to get noticed in the market place you need an image, a good one, are we there yet. You appear to know tell us where we are at with the MS, the advertising budget a pile of boxes and the hairy legged guy in shorts doing the demo team didn’t sway me one bit. Not certain that Dom would lend me a KB for a year, when James had to cough up 300 Euros and test it!




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Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 01:58 PM

now hope James send new demos because thread going back in wrong direction.
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 03:01 PM

Reread my post. I simply say that a soundSET (note the capitals) is what eludes the open community. Because Yamaha (or any other closed arranger) design the styles AND the sounds, there is an integration that eludes translated styles through piecemeal soundsets. I NEVER have dissed the basic quality of individual sounds. But run a hundred different styles, translated from several different sources through a soundset that is piecemealed together from a dozen different sources, and you get the 'open' sound. Spectacular at times, and spectacularly BAD at times. For all closed arrangers' blandness, consistency is NOT one of their problems. If you are a harried working professional, having to sit there and babysit each and every one of your hundreds if not thousands of styles to ensure that they play back consistently may take more of your time than you have to give...

And James, once again, you simply invent meaning where none is written. I am NOT taking any kind of a dig at you, everyone appreciates your openness about what you are doing. We're just jealous, that's all However, you DON'T see this process going on publicly with the majors, for all their inevitable buggy nature, if you take the long history of the MS, it's a far cry from the odd issue that slips out past Yamaha or Korg's sentinels.

I'm also curious to see what your attitude is, if you decide to release anything that ISN'T free in the way of sounds or styles. Are you going to be as blasé about the issue of piracy when it's YOUR hard work that is stolen? I sincerely hope so.

BTW, KetronAJ has left me hanging in the wind, but he and I emailed privately on the issue (he contacted me), and he assured me that Ketron's styles are as rigorously copyrighted as Yamaha's are. I guess he's waiting for their lawyers to word a response on this forum in the correct terms.

All I have been trying to point out is that, because they involve audio data, they are a snap to prove in court what they are, and that yes, while all of us trade styles around like bubblegum cards, if anyone involves the use of a style of Ketron's with audio data in it in a commercial release that has any economic success, should Ketron decide to go after a piece of your action, it would be a simple process to succeed in court.

But dial down the paranoia a bit, James. I was completely serious about my offer. I would be only TOO happy to have one of these things, and if I could assist with beta testing, again, it would be my honor...

All I have ever tried to do in my long history of posting about the MS is introduce a little sense of reality to the fanboy enthusiastic gushing about this amazing product that, while it DOES solve several very thorny issues in regard to sound quality and flexibility for arranger and WS user alike, it also introduces problems that you DON'T have to deal with with a more traditional closed keyboard. Problems that few open keyboard enthusiasts are willing to talk about... Nothing more, honestly!

And Dom.... take a look at Tony's last couple of posts. You'd REALLY sell an MS to that guy? Are you INSANE? I'm beginning to believe he is...
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 03:39 PM

please. all the talk is premature. Just let James do his thing with the MS, report back to us and let the thread go its course.
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 03:52 PM

As long as soundquallity like this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrr0TKszV0&feature=related

is possible on these instruments, Yamaha needs to improve their soundquallity by miles, and they need to do it fast.
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 03:52 PM

I repeat my request to James..m8, can you please start another thread?

This one is shot..

Dennis
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 04:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Reread my post. I simply say that a soundSET (note the capitals) is what eludes the open community. Because Yamaha (or any other closed arranger) design the styles AND the sounds, there is an integration that eludes translated styles through piecemeal soundsets. I NEVER have dissed the basic quality of individual sounds. But run a hundred different styles, translated from several different sources through a soundset that is piecemealed together from a dozen different sources, and you get the 'open' sound. Spectacular at times, and spectacularly BAD at times. For all closed arrangers' blandness, consistency is NOT one of their problems. If you are a harried working professional, having to sit there and babysit each and every one of your hundreds if not thousands of styles to ensure that they play back consistently may take more of your time than you have to give...

And James, once again, you simply invent meaning where none is written. I am NOT taking any kind of a dig at you, everyone appreciates your openness about what you are doing. We're just jealous, that's all However, you DON'T see this process going on publicly with the majors, for all their inevitable buggy nature, if you take the long history of the MS, it's a far cry from the odd issue that slips out past Yamaha or Korg's sentinels.

I'm also curious to see what your attitude is, if you decide to release anything that ISN'T free in the way of sounds or styles. Are you going to be as blasé about the issue of piracy when it's YOUR hard work that is stolen? I sincerely hope so.

BTW, KetronAJ has left me hanging in the wind, but he and I emailed privately on the issue (he contacted me), and he assured me that Ketron's styles are as rigorously copyrighted as Yamaha's are. I guess he's waiting for their lawyers to word a response on this forum in the correct terms.

All I have been trying to point out is that, because they involve audio data, they are a snap to prove in court what they are, and that yes, while all of us trade styles around like bubblegum cards, if anyone involves the use of a style of Ketron's with audio data in it in a commercial release that has any economic success, should Ketron decide to go after a piece of your action, it would be a simple process to succeed in court.

But dial down the paranoia a bit, James. I was completely serious about my offer. I would be only TOO happy to have one of these things, and if I could assist with beta testing, again, it would be my honor...

All I have ever tried to do in my long history of posting about the MS is introduce a little sense of reality to the fanboy enthusiastic gushing about this amazing product that, while it DOES solve several very thorny issues in regard to sound quality and flexibility for arranger and WS user alike, it also introduces problems that you DON'T have to deal with with a more traditional closed keyboard. Problems that few open keyboard enthusiasts are willing to talk about... Nothing more, honestly!

And Dom.... take a look at Tony's last couple of posts. You'd REALLY sell an MS to that guy? Are you INSANE? I'm beginning to believe he is...


do you think if no good beta testers tried MS O.S, MS had been stable and now used by James?

there were even beta users, who report daily to domenico by e-mail. there is even in his office 24 hours a MS connected to the Internet. step by step, programmers are making the O.S better and better. Therefore, is the developments of MS/Groove O.S fast. open source community helps each other free, every day to create a software better and stable for normal end user. remember Domenico besides open source community, has also paid programmers.He also makes donations to many open source community to make the O.S for lionstracs products better and better. He asked people what they expect new O.S. patience was what he expected from people to make what they asked.
Posted by: abacus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 05:07 PM

Tony

Open keyboards are never finished, they are constantly evolving, and after a few years can be totally different from the original.

Example:
Here is the development of OAS from its launch in 2000 till 2005 http://www.4shared.com/file/250238215/17da6466/OAS_2000_-_2005.html and since then even more features have been added.

A similar evolving process occurs with hardware boards; however you have to buy a complete new board to obtain the updated features.

Example:
Users of a Ketron SD1 have to buy a new Audya to get all that it offers, whereas in an open keyboard you just have to buy the new software (Many software updates are free) to give you all the latest features and sounds.

Users:
Those that like open keyboards, usually like to use what they want, NOT what the manufactures says they can have.
Those that like closed keyboards are usually happy to accept the same features, sounds etc. as every other user of that board.

Choice:
You buy the keyboard that suits your style, not somebody else’s. (Try before you buy)

If you don’t know where to buy a keyboard from, contact the manufacture for details.

Bill


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Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/26/10 11:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by abacus:
Tony

Open keyboards are never finished, they are constantly evolving, and after a few years can be totally different from the original.

Bill



Bill,

I know and understand the different between Audya and MS, and I also understand that MS is a platform on which to build, using styles and samples that someone else has produced and you buy from them or copy from a source which may or may not come at you for an infringement of copyright. The latter I doubt would happen even if copying material produced by others was copy protected, especially across country boundaries. For example, I was in Russia in 1999 and you could go on Sunday to the down town Moscow DVD market and buy any music DVD and software DVD for a £1.00. Now just imagine Ketron trying to get into Russia to sue a MS owner for copying their styles, have you ever tried to get into Russia even for a holiday.
Bill you state, “Open keyboards are never finished, they are constantly evolving, and after a few years can be totally different from the original”.
I totally agree, but where I beg to differ is the companies selling products that have problem with the basic software, products which are pushed out through the door with insufficient testing, mainly but not only because the companies doing this are two small and lack financial resources to hold their products back until they are deemed fit for purpose. There is a good reason for them not doing this and this is embedded in USB 1 on Audya, work it out yourself. (Timeline - best bet future proofing)
Now Bill, someone earlier said that Yamaha lets KBs out on the market place and they are subsequently found to have bugs or hardware problems. Who would you rather have to send you new KB back to for repair, Yamaha, Ketron, Liontracs, Roland or Korg, this is a no brainer so don’t answer it, but it’s not a loaded question. I have thrown the box away for my Ketron. It was much too big to put through the roof hatch.
A good practice is to wait for about 2 years after the original release of a KB and then buy one, but Oh Boy what fun you will miss, no pain no gain, that reminds me I must take my 5 a day tables, they keep me vertical during the day!
Bill, if you do wait two years we and a few others will have paid for you to have a fully functional KB free of bugs or will it be, you see every time software is updated, there is more chance of introducing bug on bug.
As far as a few members of SZ and only a few they have waited 1 yr for your Audya and I have no doubt it will be right within the next year, before it is totally superseded, I think they call this progress.
Bill what board do you have?

Kind regards
Tony
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 12:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by abacus:


A similar evolving process occurs with hardware boards; however you have to buy a complete new board to obtain the updated features.

Example:
Users of a Ketron SD1 have to buy a new Audya to get all that it offers, whereas in an open keyboard you just have to buy the new software (Many software updates are free) to give you all the latest features and sounds.



There is one flaw in your reasonning Bill...

At some point in time you will need to upgrade your hardware of your open system to use the latest features.

But this cost much less then buying a new TOTL arranger. Also you can keep all your old stuff, performances and styles and don't need months to et up your new piece of hardware for your performances, its still all there on a software arranger but it includes new stuff and feautures.
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 02:43 AM

I dont think that this is a fair comparrison as you are not taking into account all the man hours that you have to put in just to make the open keyboard mirror the ease of use of a closed system each time you upgrade the software. You are also ignoring the resale value of your hardware when you upgrade from one closed keyboard to the next. I think if you were to take into consideration all the factors, the the real cost margins in terms of both time and money would be much much closer and maybe even cheaper under the closed system keyboards. Thats with the understanding that your time is valuable and that tinkering with applications to try and make music is not actually making music (which is what i as a musician prefer to do) Just my opinion folks.

Obviously the advantage of the open system is that you can custom make your instrument do what you like.....if you have the technical ability and essentially , access to help and support from experts. The main selling proposition of the Open labs business model is that they give their customers access to a technical support helpline. If the MS ever goes mainstream Dom will certainly need to do this. whilst he is available to personally answer your queries it does nopt take much imagination to see the dificulties he might face if you the MS take up really increased

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Posted by: abacus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 03:38 AM

Hi Spalding
I see where you are coming from, but to take Wersi as a case, until the Apollo was launched they had never produced an OTB instrument in their entire 40 year history, (They worked on the premise that if you were spending this type of money, you would be experienced not a beginner) and users that bought Wersi knew this, and bought them because of this, as well as liking the sound.

This is why I say there are 2 camps, one like yourself are happy to go along with what the manufacture provides, (And there is nothing wrong with that) and one like me, who do not like to be dictated to by the manufacture.(Its purely personal choice)

Hi Tony
My instrument can be seen here http://www.wersiabacus.plus.com/ (I just have the keyboard)

Bill


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Posted by: Tony Hughes

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 03:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by abacus:
Hi Spalding
I see where you are coming from, but to take Wersi as a case, until the Apollo was launched they had never produced an OTB instrument in their entire 40 year history, (They worked on the premise that if you were spending this type of money, you would be experienced not a beginner) and users that bought Wersi knew this, and bought them because of this, as well as liking the sound.

This is why I say there are 2 camps, one like yourself are happy to go along with what the manufacture provides, (And there is nothing wrong with that) and one like me, who do not like to be dictated to by the manufacture.(Its purely personal choice)

Hi Tony
My instrument can be seen here http://www.wersiabacus.plus.com/ (I just have the keyboard)

Bill


[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 03-27-2010).]


Bill,

What a fantastic theatre sound do you want to swap for the Audya.

Just heard it on youtube

Thanks Bill,
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 09:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
I repeat my request to James..m8, can you please start another thread?

This one is shot..

Dennis


If you feel it's needed I really don't mind. I could easily start a new one when I post my next video. I think it's only wishful thinking though that one won't go the same direction unless people are very vocal about keeping things on topic when someone tries to do the opposite.

Overall this one has gone down far better than any other thread on this subject before and I think we have made great progress here. There's lots of information in what's been posted and I think people were enjoying reading the content. Shame it's going off topic now though.

Regards
James
Posted by: Gunnar Jonny

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 10:18 AM

Maybe Nigel could filter out a bit so the tread are more
into the original topic?
And then of course, we have to behave ourselves and keep it that way.

James,
I'm looking forward to the future reports, keep on the good work!

Thanks.
GJ
Posted by: Diki

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 11:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by spalding1968:
I dont think that this is a fair comparrison as you are not taking into account all the man hours that you have to put in just to make the open keyboard mirror the ease of use of a closed system each time you upgrade the software. You are also ignoring the resale value of your hardware when you upgrade from one closed keyboard to the next. I think if you were to take into consideration all the factors, the the real cost margins in terms of both time and money would be much much closer and maybe even cheaper under the closed system keyboards.

That's with the understanding that your time is valuable and that tinkering with applications to try and make music is not actually making music (which is what I as a musician prefer to do) Just my opinion folks.


Perfectly put, spalding. Many of us would like to keep the time we have got primarily on actually PLAYING, rather than programming. Learning new tunes, drumming up work, all of these take time. Every minute spent debugging or converting styles to run on non-native soundsets is time away from these things...

And yes, even as long as I keep them, most of my 'upgrade' arranger purchases have cost me very little amortized over the years I've had them due to the care I take of them and their consequent used value. To be honest, most people I know who keep fairly current with their computer systems have spent FAR more than me over the last decade or so upgrading and swapping out computers to keep up to date. And used computer parts and even whole out of date computers have VERY little resale value. A fully working arranger in good working order, if kept in good condition, is still worth a fair percentage of its' original cost... But you can hardly GIVE away a five or six (or ten!) year old computer!
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 11:58 AM

Somehow most of James's post tells us how easy the mediastation is to opperate and to optimise..

And as time goed by this feature becomes only better...

So part of Spaldings comments is cought up by the mediastations development team and time in general.
Posted by: Magica Alfa

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 01:02 PM

MS is easy for use. That is fact.

You can contribute to this topic as you want. But only as user you will see that this is much more better instrument than other.

I Was this year on MUSIC MESSE.
There is only one part developing things.
And this are VST instruments.
Future is coming really fast
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 01:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
If you feel it's needed I really don't mind. I could easily start a new one when I post my next video. I think it's only wishful thinking though that one won't go the same direction unless people are very vocal about keeping things on topic when someone tries to do the opposite.

Overall this one has gone down far better than any other thread on this subject before and I think we have made great progress here. There's lots of information in what's been posted and I think people were enjoying reading the content. Shame it's going off topic now though.

Regards
James


James, imo it has gone MAJORLY off topic and is now getting filled with drivel.

Trouble is that a lot of your earlier posts ( great posts too ) are now pretty well hidden, with not a lot of continuity because of many subsequent posts are not even remotely related to the direct operation of the MS.

A casual observer looking to glean quality info from someone who is taking the time to provide a comprehensive analysis of this system, would be turned off by about page 2 I reckon.

I do not know if the software behind this webiste can allow it, but maybe Nigel can give you a restricted licence to actually remove the dross, and leave the relevant information intact....

Dennis
Posted by: cgiles

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 04:43 PM

Why don't we throw in a 'holier than thou' filter while we're at it.

chas
Posted by: cgiles

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 04:43 PM

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Posted by: vagro

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 04:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
yes , true
I have one client that have buy 3 Roland PCR-800.
The MS is used on bottom as master keyboard with the all sound system.
1 PCR-800 Jack connect to the B4 ASIO host as second manual.
1 PCR-800 Jack connect to ASIO Host 1= Superwave P8
1 PCR-800 Jack connect to ASIO Host 4= NI Massive.

In realtime you can continue use the full features of the MS OS as a Master system, but PLUS the other 3 PCR controller for always play realtime the others engines!

This is the Open System, you buy only 1 keyboard and you wil use like you have 4 keybsoards!
Each PCR-800 is like a embedded Synth.
Is really fun, simple to use/connection ( only 1 USB cable) and at the end COST less!



Dom: I did not know this could be done! Once I asked you if I could control all my keyboards from the MS via USB and you said no. May be you missunderstood me, you thought I wanted to connect the MS to my PC via USB. I connected my 3 keyboards and the NanoKontrol to the MS and linked them to the MS and among them in the Jack (MIDI tab) and now I don't need my PC any more. That's great! I'll try to save that patchbay and see if I don't have to do it manually every time. At least I don't have to start my PC anymore.
By the way I 'm surpised I didn't have to load any driver in the MS for my Korg TR, Pa500, NanoK and PSR. In Windows XP it didn't detect them without the drivers
This topic gave me an incentive to try new things with the MS.


[This message has been edited by vagro (edited 03-27-2010).]
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/27/10 06:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagro:
Dom: I did not know this could be done! Once I asked you if I could control all my keyboards from the MS via USB and you said no. May be you missunderstood me, you thought I wanted to connect the MS to my PC via USB. I connected my 3 keyboards and the NanoKontrol to the MS and linked them to the MS and among them in the Jack (MIDI tab) and now I don't need my PC any more. That's great! I'll try to save that patchbay and see if I don't have to do it manually every time. At least I don't have to start my PC anymore.
By the way I 'm surpised I didn't have to load any driver in the MS for my Korg TR, Pa500, NanoK and PSR. In Windows XP it didn't detect them without the drivers
This topic gave me an incentive to try new things with the MS.


[This message has been edited by vagro (edited 03-27-2010).]


Remember me always for discovery of this option http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/020770.html ..........lol

Sometimes I discover things that even the designers of the product know nothing from it. my other trick to record a style with using different elements of different drum kits on roland keyboard on the same track and timing was a surprise for diki to.............lol


[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-27-2010).]
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/28/10 02:54 AM

Hi Vargo
This external USB features are available from the last OS update, after we have included the new Jack MP ( multi processor)and Rui have also included the drivers for the USB device.

For that I have also developed the Groove Expander,that can be used also for a sound generation, in alternative of receptor, V-Machine and so on.
On Groove Expander you can connect how many external USB keyboards/controller and each USB device can control in realtime the all 10 Multiple ASIO Host, Giga sampler, Synth DSP..+ the all embedded features that the others sounds module do not have.
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/groove-x6-d-p-235.html



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Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/28/10 05:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagro:
Dom: I did not know this could be done! Once I asked you if I could control all my keyboards from the MS via USB and you said no. May be you missunderstood me, you thought I wanted to connect the MS to my PC via USB. I connected my 3 keyboards and the NanoKontrol to the MS and linked them to the MS and among them in the Jack (MIDI tab) and now I don't need my PC any more. That's great! I'll try to save that patchbay and see if I don't have to do it manually every time. At least I don't have to start my PC anymore.
By the way I 'm surpised I didn't have to load any driver in the MS for my Korg TR, Pa500, NanoK and PSR. In Windows XP it didn't detect them without the drivers
This topic gave me an incentive to try new things with the MS.


[This message has been edited by vagro (edited 03-27-2010).]


Vagro if you connect your midi usb controllers with usb cabel you see it automaticly on jack ALSA tab interface and not jack midi interface. can please edit your text!
Posted by: vagro

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/28/10 06:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
Hi Vargo
This external USB features are available from the last OS update, after we have included the new Jack MP ( multi processor)and Rui have also included the drivers for the USB device.

[This message has been edited by LIONSTRACS (edited 03-28-2010).]


Dom: I was telling you that I POSITIVELY CAN connect other Usb keyboards to the MS and I DON'T need to load any drivers from the keyboard manufacturer. And remember I am using OS 2.8. I've been able to make very complex connections amon other devices connected via Usb to my MS. For example I connected the Korg Pa500 to the PSR (to control midi clock) and viceversa to play the Korg's drums from the PSR. At the same time I connected the M Audio controller to the Pa500, Psr and Korg TR. Also the NanoKontrol to the PSR and finally the MS Keyboard Out to the PSR. Everything works fine and I can even make more connections.
I will think about upgrading the hardware only when I decide to use the arranger part of the MS. So far I can use the Mp3, Giga, Vsti, Pads etc.


So far the biggest problem I have is I don't know how to map the VSTi's sounds in the MS VST Sound Banks. For example if I open Edirol Orchestra VSTi I have to select the different sounds from the main screen of the VSTi. Remember older OS didn't have the ASIO loaded. I hope James sometime can make a video or explain how to do this in the same way he did with the Giga sounds.
Posted by: vagro

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/28/10 06:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
Vagro if you connect your midi usb controllers with usb cabel you see it automaticly on jack ALSA tab interface and not jack midi interface. can please edit your text!


No, it appears in Midi tab. Remember I use OS 2.8. The Alsa tab is found later in OS 3.0 or newer.
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/28/10 06:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagro:
No, it appears in Midi tab. Remember I use OS 2.8. The Alsa tab is found later in OS 3.0 or newer.


ok, you are right,

but if you have the new O.S you can connect also this controllers to 8 asio host for example.

or for exsample connect one midi usb controler for everything. what you do in O.S 2.8 has now more options from O.S 3.0 but O.S 4 is the best O.S for this becouse of new qjack.
Posted by: vagro

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/28/10 07:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AFG Music:
ok, you are right,

but if you have the new O.S you can connect also this controllers to 8 asio host for example.

or for exsample connect one midi usb controler for everything. what you do in O.S 2.8 has now more options from O.S 3.0 but O.S 4 is the best O.S for this becouse of new qjack.


Sooner or later I will upgrade the OS, I know myself but it's not easy for me. I have to import the PCI Express VGA and probably the Asrock mainboard (I only find an ASUS compatible here) and buy the micro. I also know I won't create or modify any style because I don't have neither time nor patience and I enjoy more playing than editing stuff. I use a 5% or less than the MS can offer me and I already spent Us$ 3800 with the Psr s900 and the MS.

PS, I am also waiting for the final OS 10.0 with no bugs that surely will require a faster CPU and a new PCi Don't tell this to Dom

[This message has been edited by vagro (edited 03-28-2010).]
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/28/10 08:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagro:
Sooner or later I will upgrade the OS, I know myself but it's not easy for me. I have to import the PCI Express VGA and probably the Asrock mainboard (I only find an ASUS compatible here) and buy the micro. I also know I won't create or modify any style because I don't have neither time nor patience and I enjoy more playing than editing stuff. I use a 5% or less than the MS can offer me and I already spent Us$ 3800 with the Psr s900 and the MS.

PS, I am also waiting for the final OS 10.0 with no bugs that surely will require a faster CPU and a new PCi Don't tell this to Dom

[This message has been edited by vagro (edited 03-28-2010).]



Hardware upgrade:
that is your personal choice. nobody can force you to do.


but I just write the capabilities of the MS as it is now. it will help people who want to know. an example of the capabilities of eight asio host connection to USB keyboard controllers is for sound designers. they can for example in realtime connect usb controllers to 8 asio host VST. for each host selcet a sound and make desired settings and play the sound in realtime on one controller then connect the sound to a DAW senqunser or EXTREME SAMPLE CONVERTER and sample the sound to make new instruments sound. it is a great option for example sound designers like James. He has opened this thread


[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-28-2010).]
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/28/10 08:32 AM

Quote:
PS, I am also waiting for the final OS 10.0 with no bugs that surely will require a faster CPU and a new PCi Don't tell this to Dom


The only way that will ever happen though is if a list is made between us end users.

From all the systems I tested so far the only things I've found are as follows......
1: COMBI mode defaulting to Piano sound.
2: Default settings not loading on bootup for Velocity Curve and Effects.
3: Loss of Midi Data being sent to the VST HOST when you access certain menus or features. For example, starting and stopping the HOST RUN.
4: The sounds displayed in Live Arranger are not applicable to what sounds are on the Mediastation so many don't actually change anything.
5: Qranger chokes when you slow down the tempo while it's playing back a midi tracks. You have to stop and start it, or adjust the tempo while it's stopped for it to work.

And the workarounds for theses.....
1: Pressing the COMBI mode button can correct your sound while it's selected.
2: You have to manually load the defaults when you bootup.
3: Don't stop and start the hosts, there's really no need.
4: There's no workaround for this one.
5: Don't slow down Qranger while it's playing. Stop it, adjust your tempo and start it again.

All in all it's a pretty mind blowing keyboard and considering the vast amount of options available, OS 4.1 is just a hair away from being finished. (Based on what systems I've tested so far).

Regards
James
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/29/10 02:30 PM

Hello James...


You still have us wayting for some style video's.

Can't wayt to finally hear Qranger in action...
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/29/10 02:55 PM

Did you see this one I uploaded ? http://www.irishacts.com/lionstracs/LS04-Arranger-Intro.mp4

Domenico put it on YouTube also. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IdKEgE11Q

Sorry I don't have more just yet. I have people pulling out of me from every direction here at the moment.

Regards
James
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/29/10 03:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Did you see this one I uploaded ? http://www.irishacts.com/lionstracs/LS04-Arranger-Intro.mp4

Domenico put it on YouTube also. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IdKEgE11Q

Sorry I don't have more just yet. I have people pulling out of me from every direction here at the moment.

Regards
James


aye that one i heared.. and the promise of more to come

With both style enignes.... but just take your time, no reason hurrying because i lost my patience for a few secconds...

And when you have time, i'd love to see you switching sounds real time from one Vst to another one.
Posted by: vagro

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/29/10 03:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:
The main 8 sliders are always available to the all sounds engines that you recall, depend only IF the sound engine is enalbe to receive this midi CC.
This first 8 MAIN slider, have the CC controller fixed on the code.

IF you need more slider controllers, for each sound engine you have also another 36 realtime CC controller, just press the MS key: MIXER and will display a lot of sliders.
With the key: 8-16, 9-32 you can switch goup.

This all CC controllers sliders are also available to the external Midi OUT expander, you can use the ASIO PATCH 9-0, that work only for the 2 external midi Outs.

IF you dont like the 36 CC controller assigned, open your Presets folder and locate the file: midictrl.


[This message has been edited by LIONSTRACS (edited 03-25-2010).]


Well, just as an entertainment until the next video arrives.... If you need more sliders, knobs and buttons you don't need to wait for Dom to design a new MS hardware, you can simply connect the unexpensive NanoKontrol or NanoPad from Korg for example (as many as you need) via Usb and you can control whatever you want even other Usb devices connected to the MS.
Since I discovered I could use the MS's Usb ports to connect all my keyboards and controllers I only have to turn on the MS, the powered monitors and the arrangers. That's a great step forward for me, I don't need to start my PC and open two programs to run the connections among the Usb ports. The use of USB controllers like the Nanos only work via a computer except when you use the MS.
Victor
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/29/10 04:36 PM

Hi Bachus.

Quote:
And when you have time, i'd love to see you switching sounds real time from one Vst to another one.


Sure no problem. Switching sounds like that is almost instantaneous.

In the mean time, I was going to hold these back until I had time to record myself singing, but sure I can do other songs. So... here's two backing tracks produced on the Meidastation. Everything you hear is the mediastation, but the Sequencing is done on a Tascam SX-1.

Daniel

Dance The Night Away

Hope everyone likes them.
The sounds used are a mix of Giga Files and VSTi's.

Regards
James.
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/29/10 06:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi Bachus.

Sure no problem. Switching sounds like that is almost instantaneous.

In the mean time, I was going to hold these back until I had time to record myself singing, but sure I can do other songs. So... here's two backing tracks produced on the Meidastation. Everything you hear is the mediastation, but the Sequencing is done on a Tascam SX-1.

Daniel

Dance The Night Away

Hope everyone likes them.
The sounds used are a mix of Giga Files and VSTi's.

Regards
James.


Nice Job James sound wonderful....keep em coming!
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/29/10 10:51 PM

Great stuff James,

Somehow i like the guitars in the 2nd song much better then in the first one(daniel)

Like donny says... keep them comming...
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/30/10 03:01 AM

very nice james.

I hope that moving this thread here. not suffer users who do not come here, so they will missing everything.

Most keyboard players who come to the synthzone.com, go straight to General Arranger Keyboard Forum.

shame, becouse of some people, the whole threadmust suffer.
Posted by: Magica Alfa

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/30/10 03:35 AM

Nice job. JAMES.
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/30/10 06:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Great stuff James,

Somehow i like the guitars in the 2nd song much better then in the first one(daniel)

Like donny says... keep them comming...


Yes, well spotted because that's something I did give some consideration. I had originally assigned a very clean Guitar and it sounded as expected when I did that, but there's so little in the song I decided to dirty it up a little and try make it more live since what your listening to are the backing tracks I'm writing for when I go gigging very soon.

So, I settled on a Guitar that at certain velocities lets you hear the pulling and dragging on the strings more, which also includes some strings buzzing from the chords not being held down right.

Regards
James
Posted by: AFG Music

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/30/10 02:42 PM

it has become very quiet here. I think most people do not know about this forum.



[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 03-30-2010).]
Posted by: Nigel

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/30/10 11:19 PM

Of course you are welcome to start new threads on the General Arranger forum. The only reason I moved this to here was because I can't prevent general discussion there even if it isn't so constructive. But this thread had already got plenty long enough and when it began to turn I figured it was time.
Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/31/10 11:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Nigel:
Of course you are welcome to start new threads on the General Arranger forum. The only reason I moved this to here was because I can't prevent general discussion there even if it isn't so constructive. But this thread had already got plenty long enough and when it began to turn I figured it was time.


Its your call...

but most members don't mind going off topic from time to time... I tought it really fun that this topic kept comming back to the main topic ..

And as you said, its probably best to start a new topic whenever James has some new material.
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 03/31/10 02:45 PM

Seems things are not quite at all and that people must be satisfied with what they have seen and heard so far.

Video 1 – 216 downloads.
Video 2 – 298 downloads.
Video 3 – 264 downloads.
Video 4 – 273 downloads.
Daniel mp3 – 358 downloads.
Dance Night mp3 – 365.

My bandwidth usage has gone through the roof because of it too. I will have to take the files down the second I upload them to YouTube.

Regards
James
Posted by: LIONSTRACS

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 04/01/10 01:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Seems things are not quite at all and that people must be satisfied with what they have seen and heard so far.

Video 1 – 216 downloads.
Video 2 – 298 downloads.
Video 3 – 264 downloads.
Video 4 – 273 downloads.
Daniel mp3 – 358 downloads.
Dance Night mp3 – 365.

My bandwidth usage has gone through the roof because of it too. I will have to take the files down the second I upload them to YouTube.

Regards
James


James, if you want, youst gime me the new files link and I upload on LIONSTRACS Youtube.
Or I can edit my password on youtube and you can upload there direct.
Just let me know
Domenico
Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 04/01/10 01:12 PM

Hi Domenico.

Thanks but everything is fine now. I just needed to devote a few brain cells to the problem and now I'm able to upload to YouTube again.

My firewall of all things was the cause. Now uploading.

Regards
James
Posted by: rphillipchuk

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 04/05/10 07:23 AM

Hi James

This excellent thread, has lost some momentum here !!!!! Is there another thread somewhere, where I can follow this?


Ron

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Posted by: Bachus

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 04/05/10 11:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rphillipchuk:
Hi James

This excellent thread, has lost some momentum here !!!!! Is there another thread somewhere, where I can follow this?


Ron



For these threads to keep alive, they need to be in the general arranger forum. even if that generates a lot of offtopic spam, this threath atleast kept getting back on topic time after time..

Its sad to see the whole mediastation topic dry up since it was removed here...


And I bet everyone and there grandmoteher and even diki is wayting for more demo's by James on mediastation.
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 04/05/10 01:46 PM

I disagree here.

I think this is the right place for it, and those who are interested enough, and not just "tyre-kickers", will certainly re-visit for more updates.

What we will lose are those who are not really interested but cannot help themselves by continually hijacking with unrelated posts.

As is the brand new thread on this forum that James has started.

Maybe your attentions should be directed there.

This thread has not lost steam at all, but the focus has now shifted to the newer thread. And hopefully we can keep the new one "clean"
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum44/HTML/000013.html

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Posted by: Irishacts

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 04/06/10 04:58 PM

With that said, I'll be posting another video in that thread tonight. I'm just waiting for my Laptop to finish encoding the movie and then I'll be uploading to YouTube. So maybe an hour or two and it will be online.

In this one you will get to see the keyboard being used as you would if you were out gigging, so it's a song with full backing and me singing live. In short, it's a demonstration of everyday use in the real world.

Regards
James
Posted by: miden

Re: Lionstracs Mediastation arrived today. - 04/06/10 06:05 PM

thanks James..

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