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#30427 - 12/08/04 01:14 AM Midjay: Major bug with registrations
hrh999 Offline
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Registered: 12/11/01
Posts: 73
Loc: 8302 Kloten, Switzerland
Dear Midjay fans

There is a major bug when using registrations with the Midjay:

Whenever a previously created registration is retrieved, modified and saved again, the registration is damaged, i.e. the name of the style is garbled. Sometimes the registration can be retrieved again, but causes always hanging notes, sometimes a retrieval is even not possible anymore.

The bug is extremely boring: whenever a change to a registration is needed, one has to create a new one and change all parameters in one step, i.e. before the first save to disk.

Rgds
Hansruedi

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#30428 - 12/19/04 01:36 PM Re: Midjay: Major bug with registrations
bo Offline
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Registered: 01/24/03
Posts: 18
Loc: Hilo, Hawaii
I have the same problem too. You're right I used it at a gig and MAJOR LOCK UP. Can't use it a gig except as mp3 player for break. I'll bring my ipod instead. I can't belive I paid $1600 to be a Beta tester and not be able to use the unit for the next 2 months or so until os upgrade and Marker/jump functions(one of the main reasons I upgraded from xd3) are available. Fustrating. Anyways Aloha from Hawaii and we'll just have to wait.

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#30429 - 12/19/04 02:44 PM Re: Midjay: Major bug with registrations
hrh999 Offline
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Registered: 12/11/01
Posts: 73
Loc: 8302 Kloten, Switzerland
Yes, it is frustrating; with the current version 1.0 the styles cannot be adjusted and therefore the box cannot be used in a live situation.

A few days ago I reported the following bugs to the Swiss Hotline:

1. The bug as just described above.

2. The variation (A, B, C or D) is not saved in the registration. After the load of a registration, still that variation is active, that has been selected manually the last time.

3. The volume of (for example) the Lower 1 can be adjusted for each variation (A, B, C or D) and this works. Saved in the registration however is only the volume of variation A (if one saves a new registration). After the load of the registration the volume of variation B, C and D are back to factory settings.

4. If the volume of Drum 1 is changed for variation A, the same volume appears also for variation B, C and D.

5. The settings of the "Menue" are not saved at all in a registration (I know that the midi channels can be saved in the Power On Setup, but only the channels, not the Transpose RX/TX + the Dynamic Curve!). If this is not a bug, it is a design error, a serious one!

Aloha to Hawaii and enjoy the sun. We have got snow in the Swiss lowlands :-)

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#30430 - 12/21/04 02:33 AM Re: Midjay: Major bug with registrations
Anonymous
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Hello everybody,

concerning the problem with the Registrations, we still have reported this bug to Ketron Italy. In the debugging phase of the Midjay, we unfortunally remarked it not. I would like to apologize for this. Nobody is perfect.
Concerning the other problems, I would like to stress that the Midjay is NOT mainly designed as an arranger module and a substitue for the XD3 or X4. So if you use f.e. 95% styles in your performance, the XD3 or X4 remains the better solution as the controlling of the style relevant parts is more confortable. The Midjay is mainly designed as an FILEPLAYER where playing styles is not the mainly intended thing.
At my Demos in Germany and Austria I always tried to explain this to the people.It was really joyful that a lot of "NON KEYBOARD ENTERTAINERS" which were performing with CD player or Minidisc player were interested in this instrument,too. Therefore the Midjay is fitted with less buttons and functions for the style controlling then the XD3 and the display is smaller too. So if we try to concentrate on this section, the complains will nevertheless go on, because of the buttons for controlling and so on but, of course it is not possible to change things on the hardware. We also tried to create a very compact module.
Nevertheless, we have collected a lot of interesting ideas from our users during the Demo tour which were reported to Italy,too.
We look forward, which points will be realized in the future, but we do not have any informations about release times or so.

Many Greetings from Germany and a merry christmas to everyone of you!!!

Bernie Liwowsky
Ketron-MUSIXX Germany

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#30431 - 12/21/04 04:03 AM Re: Midjay: Major bug with registrations
hrh999 Offline
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Registered: 12/11/01
Posts: 73
Loc: 8302 Kloten, Switzerland
Hallo Bernie

Thank you a lot for your "official" standpoint to the problems with the registrations! I am aware of the concept of the Midjay and agree that it is not a 100% substitute for the XD3.

But I do not ask for more buttons to control flexibly the box on stage. All I am asking is, that whatever value I change in the style (and does work immediately) can be properly saved in the registration. Especially the volumes of the Lower 1+2 are a bit too loud in many of the styles and almost in all variations (imho). So it really would help, if they could be properly saved in the registration. Also fine-tuning an existing registration step-by-step, until it is perfect, is a must.

And once these bugs are corrected I would then disagree with you and say "the Midjay is a very good arranger module that allows for a perfect balance between an arranger and a file player". And would it then not even be more than a substitute?

Merry Christmas and a happy New Year!

Hansruedi

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#30432 - 12/21/04 07:20 AM Re: Midjay: Major bug with registrations
GlennT Offline
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Registered: 12/01/02
Posts: 1790
Loc: Medina, OH, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by ketronbernie:
the Midjay is NOT mainly designed as an arranger module and a substitue for the XD3 or X4. The Midjay is mainly designed as an FILEPLAYER where playing styles is not the mainly intended thing.


How then would the Midjay work in combination with the SD1, for when arranger mode and files are used 50/50? Would that not give you everything, or would it be too much duplication? How would it be set up, which would be the master, SD1 or Midjay?

Glenn

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#30433 - 12/21/04 10:58 AM Re: Midjay: Major bug with registrations
bo Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 01/24/03
Posts: 18
Loc: Hilo, Hawaii
I too understand the concept of the Midjay and I didn't expect it to have 100% of XD3 functions and I knew I would have to make compromises on the buttons. What I don't like is the fact that registrations can't be saved properly critical for live giging. I can't see myself bringing XD3 and Midjay to gig. The purpose was to leave XD3 home. As a player the unit is promoted as having 16 markers / jump function. I use this feature a lot on my Roland MC80 for spontaneous playback of midi sequences (jumping to verse, chorus, ending in real time). I was told this machine could do this and but now I have to wait 2 months or so because software is not ready. As you see Midjay could eliminate from my setup XD3, MC80, IPod but can't do it yet in it's present state. There are a lot of other awesome features and the unit sounds great. I guess I'm bummed that I should have waited till bugs have been ironed out and that I know this machine can do many more things but we don't have a full instructions manual yet. Thats the price of living in paradise (Hawaii). No way to try music gear before purchasing. The Midjay has great potential and I hope things will be fixed soon. Aloha from Hawaii !!!

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#30434 - 12/22/04 07:29 AM Re: Midjay: Major bug with registrations
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 3583
Loc: Middletown, DE
Team.

We have fixed the REGISTRATION issue and will be releasing that in the out-coming OS.

I have tried to stress the point that the Midijay is a Player first and an Arranger next, and ketronbernie has done a good job at this. When we were designing this product, it was not intended to replace the XD3/X4 but to enhance the performance of the performers with Wave, Midi and MP3 file playback. Hence we focused on playback features (Crossfade, Lead Voice Mute, Pitch change, Time Stretching ...etc). The XD3/X4 modules still have a lot more Arranger features than the Midijay (and this will remain true), while the Midijay does have more File playback capabilities than the modules!

Again, we are working on the REGISTRATION save features and will have that done by the next release soon.

Thanks,

AJ

Again, thanks for your support
_________________________
[KETRON - USA]
Design Engineer & Product Specialist.
www.KetronAmerica.com

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#30435 - 12/22/04 09:51 AM Re: Midjay: Major bug with registrations
bo Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 01/24/03
Posts: 18
Loc: Hilo, Hawaii
AJ,
MAHALO (Thanks) for the update. Looking forward to the registration fix and marker software.

BTW is the full manual ready yet?

Again MAHALO AJ for the Technical support you give us. You're Awesome
Aloha from Hawaii.

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