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#294883 - 09/29/10 07:56 AM
KETRON DEMOS.....Ohhhhhhh Sooooo Good!
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#294888 - 09/29/10 01:17 PM
Re: KETRON DEMOS.....Ohhhhhhh Sooooo Good!
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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I still believe the greatest strength of the Audya is also its' greatest weakness... Yes, those styles sound AMAZING. And you are going to want MORE, and more, and more... Ketron's past performance in bringing out loads of styles with live loop drums on them for the SD-1 was not very impressive. Making your OWN live loop styles is vastly more complicated than doing them with MIDI (and so few of us can even do THAT). Using other user's live loop styles that have loops taken from commercial libraries brings up all sorts of copyright issues, not to mention there are few audio drum loop libraries out there that firstly, contain complete performances with plenty of Intros, Endings, break/fills etc. in addition to the basic patterns and fills, and secondly, even fewer in the sort of styles that appeal to the majority of the somewhat elderly arranger demographic... I personally think that how an arranger impresses you AFTER you've played it for maybe three or four years is what decides whether it is good or not. That new car smell DOES eventually wear off... But MIDI based arrangers can continually expand their style library with translations, user styles and third party styles with little difficulty, at least compared to live loop ones. I've got a TON of stuff in my G70 it didn't come with. I just wonder if that degree of freshness is going to happen to the audio arranger... Time will tell.
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#294890 - 09/29/10 02:41 PM
Re: KETRON DEMOS.....Ohhhhhhh Sooooo Good!
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Registered: 07/17/01
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Originally posted by Diki: I still believe the greatest strength of the Audya is also its' greatest weakness...
Yes, those styles sound AMAZING. And you are going to want MORE, and more, and more...
Ketron's past performance in bringing out loads of styles with live loop drums on them for the SD-1 was not very impressive. Making your OWN live loop styles is vastly more complicated than doing them with MIDI (and so few of us can even do THAT). Using other user's live loop styles that have loops taken from commercial libraries brings up all sorts of copyright issues, not to mention there are few audio drum loop libraries out there that firstly, contain complete performances with plenty of Intros, Endings, break/fills etc. in addition to the basic patterns and fills, and secondly, even fewer in the sort of styles that appeal to the majority of the somewhat elderly arranger demographic...
I personally think that how an arranger impresses you AFTER you've played it for maybe three or four years is what decides whether it is good or not. That new car smell DOES eventually wear off... But MIDI based arrangers can continually expand their style library with translations, user styles and third party styles with little difficulty, at least compared to live loop ones. I've got a TON of stuff in my G70 it didn't come with.
I just wonder if that degree of freshness is going to happen to the audio arranger... Time will tell.Diki, I have to completely agree with you. I'm a very big supporter of Ketron. I like their products and their keyboards fit my playing style better than any other brand. BUT!!! Ketron has not rolled out series style disks/library since the MS series. They did release a few style disks with the X1 & SD1, but nothing like what was done for the MS Series. I know that anyone can create styles, but I don't have the time nor the creativity to mimic anything what ketron would put out as factory styles. So that would leave me for wanting more...... If ketron not going to release a new styles library, then you only have what on the audya. I don't remember every style on the audya but after six months, I would probably get somewhat bored and would want more options as far as styles. I'm in no rush to buy an audya until I see what ketron releases as a audya style library. I have an SD5, which I love but they really didn't push any new styles besides what the keyboard came with and what was already released for the ms and x series. I would have liked to see new style library with the release of the Sd5, but now that the audya is out, anything for the SD series is now closed and we're left out in the cold. I still have dozens of the styles from the x1 and ms that I want to revamp and use on my sd5 that should carry me for a good while so I can wait. damn spelling errors, I'm sure I still have a few!! [This message has been edited by mc (edited 09-29-2010).]
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#294898 - 09/29/10 04:51 PM
Re: KETRON DEMOS.....Ohhhhhhh Sooooo Good!
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Registered: 01/31/01
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Loc: Maryland
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Originally posted by Diki: I still believe the greatest strength of the Audya is also its' greatest weakness...
Yes, those styles sound AMAZING. And you are going to want MORE, and more, and more...
Ketron's past performance in bringing out loads of styles with live loop drums on them for the SD-1 was not very impressive. Making your OWN live loop styles is vastly more complicated than doing them with MIDI (and so few of us can even do THAT). Using other user's live loop styles that have loops taken from commercial libraries brings up all sorts of copyright issues, not to mention there are few audio drum loop libraries out there that firstly, contain complete performances with plenty of Intros, Endings, break/fills etc. in addition to the basic patterns and fills, and secondly, even fewer in the sort of styles that appeal to the majority of the somewhat elderly arranger demographic...
I personally think that how an arranger impresses you AFTER you've played it for maybe three or four years is what decides whether it is good or not. That new car smell DOES eventually wear off... But MIDI based arrangers can continually expand their style library with translations, user styles and third party styles with little difficulty, at least compared to live loop ones. I've got a TON of stuff in my G70 it didn't come with.
I just wonder if that degree of freshness is going to happen to the audio arranger... Time will tell.Audya has a boat load of styles.
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#294906 - 09/29/10 09:31 PM
Re: KETRON DEMOS.....Ohhhhhhh Sooooo Good!
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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So, what's the REAL skinny? How many styles for the SD-1 did Ketron release in the, what, four or five years it was on the catalog, which had ENTIRELY new styles (not translations from earlier MIDI styles) and which had entirely new audio loops for the drums? Truth is, I'm FAR more confident about my G70 than you were about your older Ketron. Still got mine, and still haven't heard anything that I would rather have. I would hardly call THAT insecurity! Roland came out with several sets of new styles for the G70, MidiSpot and a few other third party houses had upwards of a hundred or so new (completely new) styles for purchase, and translations from newer Roland arrangers (E80 and Prelude/GW-8 were a snap to convert with the Makeup Tools) which added over a hundred totally new styles. And that isn't even counting all the legacy styles, which again were a snap to convert. Even if you don't count translations from non-Roland arrangers, I've got more new styles than my G70 came with in the first place. Add to that how utterly easy it is to completely revoice a style to sound almost NOTHING like the original, and my old warhorse is still fresh as ever...
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