Hi

I love this violin.
http://www.box.net/shared/u0rf1r7pf4

It's a nice sampled sound, but you can tell by listening to it that the sound engine is dead basic, probably limited to ADSR and very little else beyond that.

You can tell easily just by listening to how only the volume of the sounds changes. There is no tonal difference between a soft note and a loud not, no expression and not even the attack changes.

So, great sample, but the sound engine is bloody dead basic and it kills the samples in the process.

Here's what a good sound engine sounds like when dealing with samples. http://www.irishacts.com/misc/violin.mp3

Regards
James

Hi James

I understand what you mean. But I still love the sound and think it's sounds better than your violin IMHO.

Niels

Hi Niels.

Yeah that's cool. I'm all for people knowing what they want and so I have no problem if you still prefer it over what I posted. As I said above, I think it's a great sample. For me though the sound engine lets it down because it could be a so much more emotional sounding instrument if it had the means to shape sounds that all the other top end arrangers have these days.

Ketron are way behind the game when you compare function and ability. They have good style programmers and sound engineers for sampling though.

Regards
James

Hi Niels,

Nice performance, the Violin sounds great.

Which Audya do you have?
I have the Audya 4.
Also, which violin? Have you tried the Fiddle steel in the ETHNIC BANK?

Thanks for sharing,
Don P

Great performance Neils, i really like the warm sound of that Violin...

But the Violin in James MP3 is of a whole different level... and i bet when tweaked with the right effects it can sound just as warm as your Violin.

@James, love to know how you programmed that Violin.

@Neils, i think what James means it shows where Auya looses in the solo sound department, Yamaha has its SA voices, Korg has DNC and Software instruments can surpass even that level. But audya has missed the boat on these new technollogies for now...

But then with a good laptop, some VST's and some great sample libraries your Ketron will have fantastic solo voices on top of the best styles available. And there are even soundmodules that load your VST's and samples.


But then, when playing live, i wonder who notices if your violin has the same nuances as a real violin..

[This message has been edited by Bachus (edited 09-25-2010).]

Hi Niels & James ,
I thought both samples sounded good .

niels , what is the name of the song you played in your violin sample ?

regards ...Giovanni

Loved it the Audya really sounds good ...thanx

More More more

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-25-2010).]

James,your violin saunds to me like Korg sample...

Neilshs

What is the exact name of that sound in Audya
In Program. Mode?

Thanks

Hi

leezone, Giovanni, Don P

The song is an old Scottish song Annie Laurie.
The sound is "Romantic split" from the Program Mode.

Regards
Niels

... and as of OS 4.0, AUDYA has VCE (Voice Character Emulation) technology added to it's sound engine and processing.

Thanks,

AJ

Great, what style were you using.

Tony

I love two instruments I wish I could play. The trumpet and the.........violin!

I don't think it's so much about what your audience hears as much as what YOU hear. The better it sounds to YOU the more your creativity will open up (when using the violin patch).

Lucky

James.....that's a great sounding violin you have there...particularly in the lower registers. And you played it as a violinist would play. That makes all the difference no matter how the sound itself comes out. Now what control did you have over it in real time use? Vibrato, delay, ADSR? And what DID you use to reproduce it?

Neils....you did a fine job on your song, but I would have to say that James's violin sounds more believable. Not only the sound but how he manipulated it. As I listened to your tune 2-3 times I got weary of the lack of dynamics in the violin patch. I never was crazy about the Ketron violin. But you DID do justice to that song....a lovely piece! I'd like to hear you play it with the violin patch James was using.

Lucky

Hi

No doubt that the sample from James is more realistic. But I have never heard a better violin from an arranger keyboard than the violin from the Audya. Compared to the Tyros 3, the Audya voices sound richer and warm or more pro if you like.

Regards
Niels

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C'mon, James...! Did you play that violin thing yourself, if so, is that also your sample set, or a VSTi?

It's awesome... tons of articulation, nice slurring, you name it. Didn't quite get to hear what it would do if you started to bow a lot angrier, but in the range you played it, it was superb.

'Fess up... How'd ya do it?

James......Mediastation?
WOW ! sounds terrific.

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-27-2010).]

I am regular reader but I haven't posted since 1990 according to Nigel. I thought you might like to hear a PA2x violin.

Please be kind I'm an OAP
http://www.box.net/shared/bbvk4tzhhx

Saswick,

Sounds bloody good to me, but what do I know, expect someone to come piling in or maybe I have just stopped them. What the hell is it all about, if it sounds like a violin, looks like a KB, it must be a violin, send us some more of your work.

Tony

James thats not a violin that's a strad!

Wow, Niels, that is incredibly beautiful. Now, THAT is music.

James:

is this GIGA format you used from this library on MS??
http://www.timespace.com/product/GVIO-1/giga_violin.html

or Vienna Symphonic Orchestra GIGA format??

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I just listened to it again.....
very inspiring....WTG!!

More please !

Still interested in hearing how James did his violin demo...

Nothing else on this thread comes even close, IMO, sorry to say (not that there's anything wrong with the playing, just how the samples behave).

You can add me to the list of those who are waiting to find out how James did it. I'd buy the whole keyboard to get a sound like that.

BTW...even though I liked the James violin over the Niels one, I can't say I didn't enjoy the way he (Niels) played the song. I never heard such a pretty version of Annie Laurie. Downloaded it to my hard drive.

Lucky

That is, without a doubt, the worst violin demo on the planet. It sounds like a kazoo.

P.S. How do you post a smiley?

Lucky


[This message has been edited by Lucky2Bhere (edited 09-28-2010).]

You've no chance Diki, cool, yes hell will freeze over first!

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Hey, give James a break...! He has always been responsive in the past to us asking how he has done things.

Don't know why he should, people taking a pop at him.

Don't know why he should, people taking a pop at him.

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The Audya violin is very expressive. I love it. If I had it on my Tyros I'd use it all the time. (If it's such a simple sound as someone mentioned, perhaps it would be very easy to sample.)

I do not believe John's sample came from a keyboard. It sounds like a VSTi. And if that's the case, it's not a fair comparison... In fact it's a potshot at nielshs.

(Unless I'm wrong and it is from a keyboard. But it's definitely not a Yamaha or Korg sample.)

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Who's taking a shot at James, here? We just wanna know WHICH VSTi it is, whether he performed the solo himself or it's a factory demo, etc..

See any harm in that?

From all the posts I read above the only pop I saw was the one to nielshs, mine is better than yours bs and this what a violin should sound like.

I liked the audya violin, it not a instrument that I would use often, but it sounded good.

I simply feel that the violin, like the sax and so many acoustic instruments, is close to impossible to play well (or at least, realistically) without using a lot of pitch bend, which kind of makes it difficult when your LH is tied up inputting the chords to the arranger...

Record your backing (SMF or audio or chord sequencer) and it's a LOT easier to get an expressive violin solo, even from barebones sample sets as are in most arrangers. And use a MIDI controller with a pitch STRIP, and it gets even easier... trills, hammer-off's and -on's, slurs, so many things that complex VSTi's need alternate articulations to achieve, all become almost simple with a pitch strip...

Which is why I couldn’t be bothered going into any detail at this point.

Anyone who thought that this was a “Mine is better than yours”... shame on you. That's not what this was at all, and I didn't appreciate the hate emails either.

People who simply don't understand seem to want to fight all the time.

James.

Good grief, James! Hate emails... over THIS?

Lord, what is this forum coming to?

Do me a favor, sport... email me privately about that violin sound if posting here isn't your cuppa tea. Ta, mate...

Mind you, if only ONE negative post is enough to drive you away, I'm not sure how much of you on this forum we are likely to see in the future. And that would be a great loss to us all.

I have nothing to be ashamed about nor did I send you any hate emails. I would never take it to any level like that over any keyboard. Maybe it was not your intent, but you came off (imo) underminding what nielshs shared with the forum.

You posted a wonderful mp3 of a violin, which leaves me curious if it was live sample from tyros, korg paXX or a factory demo of a vst. Can the expression repeated by velocity, pitch bend, while using your left hand changing chords and buttons etc.


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So I waited with baited (good rhyme) breath and opened the thread when I saw it at the top of the "messages listing"...anticipating that I was finally going to learn the origin of THE (by now famous) violin patch. Because......I love violins! What a bummer to read these last few replies.

No one discusses making music in this group and NOW no one can discuss patches either! I guess I got it wrong all these years. I always thought musicians were supportive of each other but I'm still waiting to see it.

Lucky

Mc , I didn't name names and I wasn't implying that you were one of the people who sent me hate mail.

But you are one of the people who don't get the point behind the demo and who think it's a pissing contest. That really annoys me as I'm not like that at all. I spend all my time helping people, not pissing on them.

It's like shoot first, ask questions later here with some people when they read somthing they don't understand.

James.

Strange, but I got that impression as well...let's hope we are both wrong.

Ian

Than why even bother posting the sample if your not going divulge what it is.

Hi Lucky2Bhere, Hi Diki.

I'll start another thread very soon when I clam down. There are also some new technologies I want to talk about that allow you to play your keyboard normally and you will get the response of a real world instrument.

This includes auto activation of slurring, grace notes, attack, tonal response, repeated notes not sounding exactly the same and so on......

James.

I have never withheld any information on this forum or any other forum.

I simply was busy and wasn't around for a few days. Then people like you jumped to all sorts of conclusions and started accusing me of things.

Go back and read my posts. There is no arrogance in my words or any hint of mine is better than yours. I actually totally and utterly respected the guys opinion and my comments were directed at the sound engine of the Audya, not the samples, not the guys performance.

Read what I said....!!!!!

Whatever James, I'm done

good luck & enjoy your violin

Walking away won't solve anything.
I'm not happy you and others thought I was trying to put the guy an I would like to talk about this and clear up any confusion here.

The entire point of what I said was to open a discussion about sound engines that all modern Arrangers except the Audya have these days. Nothing more.

I've been nothing but respectful to nielshs, and his opinion on the sounds.

James.

I'm starting to lose it, here! What is this place coming to?

The LEAST criticism, the SLIGHTEST negativity, the HINT that you don't agree 100% with another on a thread, and all HELL breaks loose!

Grow a pair, ladies!

If you want to post on a forum that everyone agrees with you 100%, start your own, and keep it limited to JUST yourself! (Unless you suffer from schizophrenia, that is! Then you are sh*t out of luck! )

Back in the REAL world, if you want to engage in conversation with others, you have to be prepared that not everyone (sometimes, not ANYONE!) is going to agree with you. Can you handle that? I am starting to have my doubts...

Man up, and take the pro with the con. Otherwise, I suggest not coming here at all.

Not bad Diki only twice this year!

Tony

BTW Auyda is great now, glad I kept it, you should put it on your Christmas list, you won't need to shell out, someone else will.

Strange, nobody had a pop at the PA2x violin, it can't have been that good. Ha Ha

It seems to me that this place is better than attending a Cock Fight, or more likely a Bull Fight because extraordinary amount of Sh.. expounded.

In my opinion for what it's worth both James and Neils posts here and Neils vocals on another topic have been very constructive and enjoyable it seems shame that both their efforts have been devalued by some members who seem to take delight in lowering the tone of this forum to the level of a kindergarten. (That's probably being somewhat unkind to the kids)

Perhaps some of you should read the Korg Forum where members concentrate on helping rather than kicking crap out of each other.

Thank you Tony for your previous comment about my effort although it seems your remark about the direction this thread would take was 100% correct.

Pehaps you didn't need to be a Clarevoyent to see it coming.

Kindest regards

Colin (PA2x)

I can't wayt to read about it James...





Its the general attitude thats taking its turn in our whole society.. Things are going backwards instead of forward..

Nothing wrong with a good heated discussion as long as both parties have good arguments and are willing to listen to eachother, where in our case listening equals reading and trying to understand someone else's PoV.

I'd say there is nothing wrong with James posting a nice articulated Violin Sample and there is nothing wrong with people liking the orriginal better...