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#283001 - 03/12/10 02:41 PM
Re: TOTL Arranger Prices
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Tonewheeldude: Most of the Midi accordianists and midi guitarists that buy Ketron arrangers need single finger chords...they would have to have very versatile toes otherwise. Perhaps, but the number of chords available using single finger is very limited...major, sevenths, minor, minor7th...not a lot to go on. I had a buddy that used a midi accordion with a Roland RA-90 and he didn't have it set for single finger...he was playing augmented, major 7th, minor 7th flat 5's...even the occasional demolished chord ...so it couldn't have been single finger. I thought a midi guitar sent chord information from the 6 strings...I can't see how single finger would work, unless the guitarist was using bass pedals, and that would again limit it to only major, 7th, minor, minor7th. Ian
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#283005 - 03/12/10 03:19 PM
Re: TOTL Arranger Prices
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Loc: NW Florida
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Putting a 'home player' feature on a keyboard aimed squarely at the pro gigging musician doesn't make it a 'home' product, Ian. It simply extends the market that the product might appeal to. If any of the TOTL arrangers were TRULY 'home' keyboards, they would start by taking OFF all the features that are hardly used by home users at all... Samplers, detail voice editing, complex style editing tools, things that 99% of 'home' users never switch on ONCE. I know, I know, some 'home' users will now pipe in and go 'but I use those things', but in truth, about as many home users use those things as 'pros' use the one-finger chord system (there are some that have admitted it ) Some VERY advanced supercars have got stability and traction control on them, despite the 'pros' seldom using them. Does that make them commuter cars? I doubt you would describe your Enzo as that...
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#283006 - 03/12/10 03:34 PM
Re: TOTL Arranger Prices
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Originally posted by Diki: Putting a 'home player' feature on a keyboard aimed squarely at the pro gigging musician doesn't make it a 'home' product, Ian. It simply extends the market that the product might appeal to.
Yes, I agree...it is meant for "home", and extended to the "pro" market. Remember...all arrangers started out as "home" easy play keyboards...pros just started using them and, of course, more pro-type features, like broader chord recognition, were added. The first arrangers were "home organs"...organs that had easy play "One-finger" accompaniments added. It was only natural to see these features on "home keyboards"...the early arrangers like Yamaha's PS-6100, Casio's CT-series, and Korg's SAS-20. Today's arrangers just have more features...they still evolved from, and are based on, the home market first. Ian
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#283008 - 03/12/10 03:46 PM
Re: TOTL Arranger Prices
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Originally posted by Diki:
If any of the TOTL arrangers were TRULY 'home' keyboards, they would start by taking OFF all the features that are hardly used by home users at all...
Samplers, detail voice editing, complex style editing tools, things that 99% of 'home' users never switch on ONCE.
Now, it wasn't that long ago, you were saying that these features were used by more home players than we would imagine. Most of my clients are anxious to be taught how to use style editing, and voice editing...why wouldn't they? Why buy an instrument with all those features and never use them? Yamaha forums have plenty of users asking questions about, and learning how to use, these features...it must be the same on Korg forums, although Roland Arranger.com is rather slow lately. The Internet has opened up many resources to home players, that were not available when arrangers were first introduced, and these keyboard/arranger type forums are very busy. Most pros use workstations...not arrangers...we are a very small bunch here on SZ. Ian
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