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#282358 - 03/02/10 09:04 AM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
Diki Offline


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It's $2300 round trip from where I live to Frankfurt

That's nearly half an Audya...

Tell you what, send me half an Audya, and I'll buy the other half

I don't need to go to Frankfurt to find out what I need to know. In fact, NAMM and many other trade fairs are dying out because the internet is capable of doing what they do so much more efficiently, these days.
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#282359 - 03/02/10 09:19 AM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
Tony Hughes Offline
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Registered: 01/30/06
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Originally posted by Diki:
It's $2300 round trip from where I live to Frankfurt

That's nearly half an Audya...

Tell you what, send me half an Audya, and I'll buy the other half

I don't need to go to Frankfurt to find out what I need to know. In fact, NAMM and many other trade fairs are dying out because the internet is capable of doing what they do so much more efficiently, these days.


Diki,

I have two half brothers and two half sisters, then my dad took the saw off me. Which half of the Audya do you want and be careful how you answer that.

Tony
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#282360 - 03/02/10 09:31 AM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
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Registered: 03/02/06
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Originally posted by Diki:
It's $2300 round trip from where I live to Frankfurt

That's nearly half an Audya...

Tell you what, send me half an Audya, and I'll buy the other half

I don't need to go to Frankfurt to find out what I need to know. In fact, NAMM and many other trade fairs are dying out because the internet is capable of doing what they do so much more efficiently, these days.


The internet can't really tell me what a Keyboard is like...

To get a good idea if i will like it i'd atleast need a few hours handson with an arranger...

Just today a friend of mine ordered a midi master keyboard without ever having seen it in real time... I guess he could be very dissapointed


Same goes for these big shows, hearing and seeing somehting on the web does not even come close to hearing it played on a demonstration.

Next to that these places are the perfect place to meet other people in the music buiseness.
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#282361 - 03/02/10 10:05 AM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
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Loc: NW Florida
I'm afraid that nowadays, many successful bands have ONLY been heard in MP3 format... But if it's good enough to make someone's career, it ought to be good enough to judge an arranger by.

I think there's altogether too much residual derision of MP3's left over from the early days, when they didn't sound very good, and tended to be encoded at pretty low bitrates to allow streaming on dialup and early DSL. Nowadays, the state of the art is MUCH higher. To be honest, I listen to most of my CD collection in iTunes, ripped at 192 or 256kbps, and I don't miss much at all...

So, essentially, if the recording of the arranger is a great one in the first place (and that's often where half the problem comes from), and it is encoded on a quality encoder at moderately high bitrates, and than played back on something other than crappy computer speakers (that's where the other half of the problem comes from), it's tough to tell the original from the MP3.

To be honest, most of what I've posted sounds virtually IDENTICAL to the real thing. That's how good things have got. Certainly close enough that I can make an informed opinion about an arranger without having to hear one live.

But ONLY if the two halves are dealt with. A GREAT recording, through GREAT speakers, and it doesn't really make much difference if it is live or a high quality MP3. A billion iTunes downloads can't all be wrong! If you are having problems liking high quality MP3's, I'd take a MUCH closer look at your speakers, then your soundcard, than worrying whether good demos aren't up to snuff...

Remember, this isn't an acoustic instrument we are talking about. At best, an arranger has 16bit samples, so you've lost a large percentage of the dynamic range right there... And if an MP3 can make an acceptable playback of a commercial CD (these DO tend to be well recorded, though ) it should have no problem with the even LESS dynamics of an arranger.

I'll gladly post up a .wav and a good MP3, and challenge you to tell them apart in blind listening test any day. Bet you can't get it right 100% of the time
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#282362 - 03/02/10 12:59 PM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
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countdown is now at 22

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#282363 - 03/02/10 02:54 PM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
leezone Offline
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Registered: 06/24/08
Posts: 3131
FYI,

this countdown will change everyday
and will not get stuck at 1

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#282364 - 03/02/10 07:42 PM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
Tony Hughes Offline
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Originally posted by leezone:
FYI,

this countdown will change everyday
and will not get stuck at 1


Leezone,

You are not going to drag me in on the countdown, if AJ's not up for it, I'm not
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#282365 - 03/02/10 10:24 PM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14208
Loc: NW Florida
Why even bother, Lee? You KNOW they aren't ever going to come out with what you want (or I bet you would have added some things even more unlikely, like under five pounds weight!).

You either buy the Audya for what it DOES, at the price it IS, or you sit there staring at a clock you know hasn't been wound... And that you know the spring is broke even if they wound it (and you don't really care what the time is, anyway! You've got a perfectly good wristwatch)

Give it a rest, chum...
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#282366 - 03/03/10 07:58 AM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
leezone Offline
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Registered: 06/24/08
Posts: 3131
Diki,

what i want is an AUDYA module
nothing wrong with asking for MORE, rather than "less"

and if it comes out...
then maybe i may have to break my piggy bank

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#282367 - 03/03/10 02:03 PM Re: Ketron-AUDYA @ Musikmesse 2010
leezone Offline
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Registered: 06/24/08
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countdown is now at 21

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