Don't apologize for the demo, James. It does more to inform me than anything else I've seen out there, and helps explain your enthusiasm for the system... (Dom's an idiot not to hire you to demo the MS, IMO)
Ahh it's just a personal thing with me. If something is worth doing it's worth doing right, if you know what I mean. I just didn't have time today.
I think you just meant they don't want to hear bossa GE's in the standard package
Yes, that would be more accurate. I should also point out that there are a certain amount of GE's in there that do indeed cover Bossa, Country and many other styles of muisc. It's just that they are not assigned to the factory sounds that much. Were they are, they are not implemented in the fashion you head in the video. KARMA is left run very much wild on them.
I can see how well Karma works given input that is stylistically appropriate to what we want to play, it's a shame they don't want to explore the acoustic side of things better. It might not replace the arranger altogether, but it would certainly give many of us pause when making our next purchasing decision.
Right now I'd say it's overall sound, function and implementation is purely based on some sort of market research done on workstation users.
If KORG / Karma Labs were to implement in an Arranger, I bet the arranger side of things would be greatly left alone and KARMA added on the back end of that system to expand it. Sort of like, the arranger still produces it's own notes, but has to pass the midi data through KARMA. How far then that data gets through KARMA without being modified is likely up to the user and the style designers who would have assembled the factory data.
Man that would be one freaking awesome machine to play.
You describe how you can take a style from the PA2, and import its' patterns into Karma scenes, and then start to generate variations based on those... have you any audio of you doing that? For anyone coming from the arranger world over to Karma, they are going to need something like that to be relatively easy to do, I would imagine. Most of us use dozens of styles in our live shows (at least!) and the time and effort it would take to make a useful GE out of them would be a factor.
I'm afraid not. I've done it a few times just messing around, but never with the intentions of keeping what I imported for use.
It's easy to do, but I don't want people to get the idea that they can just buy an M3 or an OASYS and go off gigging with it as an arranger. KARMA is implemented in a way that is suited for use on an workstation by workstation users.
So keep in mind the title of this thread. Maybe the future of arrangers is KARMA implemented on one.
I am definitely starting to see the light (and heard it too - really, the only thing that works with me!) and am getting much more enthusiastic. You see... I'm not impossible to persuade
lol.... Yeah, KARMA is not exactly easy to explain, but something as simple as a clear video can tell a thousand words. Now if Dom would just send me over a Groove.
I wonder why Korg have deliberately chosen to completely ignore musics that would increase sales to a market that is crying out for change, or why they haven't added Karma to the PA line as well as Oasys and M3? The way you demonstrate it, it seems a good musical tool.
I'm kind of worried about that actually. For the life of me I can't understand why KORG are not trying to get an exclusive on KARMA with Stephen.
Right now the way things are Yamaha can approach Stephen Kay and ask him to implement it on the T4. If they do it first, whatever is produced will be the biggest shake up to the Arranger market every.
It would be MASSIVE...!!!! How KORG can sit back and not secure that is kind of scary.
If and when you've got the time, anything else non-electronic in nature on your Oasys's Karma would make an excellent addition to that video. We don't need it any slicker or fancy, what you posted was amazingly fast and succinct. Bloody iPhone is amazing! Is Stephen porting Karma to the iPhone next?
Sure, I'll see what I can do.
I've always said I'm willing to change my opinions if I heard something that supported others' points of view... Now you know I'm good for my word. And others possibly can see how easy it is to do, IF they have something to back their opinion up.
I think the problem with most of what we have discussed on the Lionstracs side of things no matter how great I say it could be, I don't have one to prove it to you because I don't own one, and the official demo's don't help matters. If I worked for them as a product specialist things would be very different.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. We could have been here for another eternity arguing back and forth without that simple demo. Maybe next time, you want to make a point, just do the same thing..! I'm hard to TALK out of a viewpoint, but pretty easy to be SHOWN the error of my ways