Diki�..do you think at this point you�re possibly just throwing �stuff� against the wall until something sticks?�

You�re manipulating what I said to suit your needs for rebuttal. Read it again, please. I said �I don�t know of any women around here that aren�t in music just for the money or for vanity reasons.� I also said I live in an area that praises riches and looks down their nose at mediocrity. So what would be the obvious conclusion you would come to from those two statements?

Now I really don�t care to make a judgment call about if women were suppressed in the days of the great Classical composers. The bottom line is what I said: �there were few great KNOWN female composers to compete on the playing field with Beethoven or Chopin or even Scott Joplin. This is the way it is. I mean the facts are right in front of you, yet you still won�t admit to what I�m saying. Forget about whether or not they were suppressed, oppressed or DEpressed. In speculation, maybe they WERE better at composing and just didn�t get the chance to do it. We�ll never know that. What we do know is that they DIDN�T compose, while they�re male counterparts DID. And, hence, got the exposure.

Lucky says: �"There is no such thing as a �sexist� remark. There are only �remarks� made that are then LABELED by whoever hears it."

Diki says: ...this is absurd.

Lucky says: No, Diki it�s NOT absurd. It�s only absurd if you THINK it is absurd!

Diki says: Does that mean I can insult the hell out of you, but what I write ISN'T insulting, until you label it so...?

Lucky says: yes, that�s exactly correct! You can only insult me, if I deem it to be an insult! That�s not to say I won�t recognize insulting intentions, but I choose whether or not I want to interpret it as a degrading slur and react to it. I have free will to make that call.

Diki says: I don't think so An insult is an insult from the moment it is written, and a sexist remark doesn't need someone else to call it that for it to be one...

Diki�where do you get your �insult� information from? I suggest you study Metaphysics or Spirituality or �power of the mind� books in general.

If someone says broccoli tastes �awful,� does that make it �awful?�
If someone says graffiti sprayed on a subway train is �vulgar,� does that make it �vulgar?�
If someone makes a remark about the lack of women composers, does that make it a sexist remark?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so is most everything else in the world. Nothing is beautiful or ugly, or tasteful or tasteless, or easy or hard, etc. It�s all in how you, the individual views an object, a situation...OR...a remark!

Lucky

So, if you say that the women musicians in your area are only in it for the money or the attention, does that meant that it is actually a FACT...? Apparently, not. Only if the women agree with you...!

And yet, you post it. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would post anything, if it means nothing.
I certainly don't agree with it, I know of no woman that would agree with it, so it seems you have completely wasted both our times.

I suggest you get your nose out of those books, and rejoin the real world. Of course, that's only a put down if YOU take it as a put down. In actual fact, it's just photons coming off your computer screen. It means nothing...

Diki,

I greatly admire your intellect, but aside from that, would you answer me WHY...

1) you have to be "right" about everything, and

2) why you have to have the "last word" in every posting, and mostly......

3) why you're never "wrong" in any of these threads that you enter in to?

Lucky

Behind every great man there's a great woman.

Regards

Taike

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So, Lucky, you are trying to tell me that YOU are wrong, you AREN'T trying to have the last word, and that you don't ever believe YOUR opinion is correct?

Didn't think so...

Seems we have a lot more in common that you would like, eh?

Diki...I never thought you weren't a regular, OK kind of a guy. I just wish you wouldn't take postings in here and play Devil's advocate with them. You seem to have a desire to keep others in a holding pattern somewhere in an imaginary "penalty box" because they dare to write something you don't agree with.

Speaking for myself (and I'm certain for others who have traveled down this same road), I don't appreciate putting pen to paper with my thoughts and then having them (what I write) manipulated and challenged for the sake of sport, and...spectator sport.

It was recently questioned why postings are slow lately. I don't doubt that those who prey off others posts (example: my "God" post) do a lot of damage to the sought-after easy flow of conversation. We already know of some members who stated that they've had it with being taken through the wringer on much of what they post.

As far as who's right and who's wrong, what keyboard is better, can the Audya play a sus/4th, are women better at music then men, etc. I couldn't give two hoots about it.
There IS no right or wrong. There are only opinions. And, speaking for myself, I would like to state an opinion or a view without having to go into battle over it.

You're a smart guy...I'm sure you get my drift.

Lucky

Smart enough to see that you are playing a double standard, here.

YOUR opinion isn't fair game, but mine IS?

Bottom line is, what kind of forum would this place be if, no matter WHAT anyone posted, good, bad, erroneous or indifferent, NO-ONE (because I'm SURE you aren't just singling me out as the only one that isn't supposed to respond, are you? ) was allowed or even OUGHT to comment on it...?

You are honestly telling me you've NEVER responded to a post you disagree with? Please...

If you want to air your opinion and have NO-ONE refute it (or agree with it - after all, what's the difference?), go outside your back door and speak to the wind... Otherwise, should you choose to post that opinion here, you are going to get people that agree AND disagree with you chiming in. THAT'S what a forum is for. Debate, consensus, agreement or disagreement. You honestly expect people to NOT disagree with you if they feel that way? Or even agree with you. After all, that's an 'opinion' too, isn't it...?

You are disagreeing with me, here and now. Allow others the same rights you take for yourself...

Diki�..I don�t even know what you�re talking about anymore. Your strategy of manipulation, distortion, aggression and attrition against those you view as an opponent is starting to come across. You�ve rewritten the whole play so that now the characters look nothing like they did in the opening act.

I�m going to say this as nice as I can here. You don�t seem to be one that I can have a reasonable and �adult� conversation with. You�re also coming across as a bit neurotic at this point, so why don�t I just back off real slow? Let�s consider you to be the winner of this discussion, but please, also consider therapy for this need you seem to have for confrontation. It wears people down to the point you start to think twice before you post anything in here.

Lucky

Fortunately, apparently, as long as I don't consider you calling me neurotic is an insult, it ISN'T...

However, I'm pretty sure you wanted it to be!

You see how silly this can get?

Diki/Lucky-

I'm calling foul on both of you for hijacking my thread on why women don't participate more on this forum. As the creator of this thread, I get to have some small token (perhaps imagined) say about its direction.

Clearly, this isn't what I wanted...

You both have made good points about women/music, but now its becoming a pissing contest. You two don't agree on the recent few threads, you're not going to agree, its getting a bit personal and you're killing the thread. The content of the last few entries would be better suited to a private email exchange, so take it there. It's done, ok?

If you want to contribute specific to my original question, I'd welcome it, but this sideshow is quickly turning into a distraction.

No winners, no losers...I just want to get things back on track. Why women don't participate more in the Synth Zone...

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Bill in Dayton

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