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#271125 - 09/15/09 05:49 AM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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#271127 - 09/15/09 06:59 AM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Larry, I believe they have changed the screen to a TFT Supertwist, which is much easier to see, even under bright light conditions. However, I don't believe it's the sunlight viewable type such as those used on marine depth finders and marine GPS systems. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the S-910 and hope it is essentially the little sister to the Tyros3 with several new voices and style arrangements. If this is indeed the case, then I may well upgrade from my aging PSR-3000s (2 of them). If not, then I guess those 3000s will by something akin to my equally ageing Timex Watch--just keep on keeping on. Cheers, Gary
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#271128 - 09/15/09 07:20 AM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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It has two of my favorite SA voices from the Tyros2/3...Jazz Rotary, and Rock Rotary...organ voices that are awesome and ones I used a lot.
The MP3 playback and new screen, are nice additions, but matter little to me.
Having some new styles is nice, but I usually use my own.
I have one on order to try out, and to demo as well....since I presently do not own an arranger (I have the S900, and Tyros3 on my Yamaha sample account), I may end up buying the S910 if I like it.
Ian
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#271131 - 09/15/09 01:12 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Sunlight viewable screens have been available for more than 20 years, and they're not at all expensive. The least expensive marine depth finder/fish finder cost about $100, has a 400 X 600 resolution and can be seen clearly in direct sunlight. The technique is called super-twist TFT (thin film transistor) and it actually gets brighter with increased sunlight. Essentially, the light passes through a grid, then is reflected back through the LCD display, thereby providing all the backlight needed to see the information on the screen. The current LCD displays utilize a tiny florescent light on each side of the screen, which is just about useless outdoors. Even a large, florescent, shop-light is nearly invisible in direct sunlight. You can only imagine what you get with a light that is the size of a pencil lead. Cheers, Gary
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#271139 - 09/16/09 12:11 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I don't think the PSR-S910 styles will work at all on the S900...it is using the new Guitar Mode, as does the Tyros3.
There were conversions of the T3 styles to T2/S900, and they were okay, but, in my opinion, not outstanding.
I suspect S910 to T2/S900 conversions will be similar.
You will be able to play S900 styles on the S910, and perhaps it will also play some of the Tyros3 styles.
Won't know for sure till I get one.
Ian
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#271142 - 09/16/09 01:40 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by Diki: Ian, you've got both the S900 and the T3 at the moment, don't you? Would you say that the new guitar mode is a quantum leap past the S900, or is it just a very subtle improvement? It depends on the style, and the guitars used therein. Probably a tad more than subtle, in my opinion. I think the differences would be less noticeable "live", and more apparent with a recording...if that makes any sense. Since I don't currently own an arranger (also sold the P-85, and the two Bose L1 systems...actually made a profit on the latter), I'm in the market for one...if the S910's new organ sounds are the same as the T3's, I will get the former...if not, I may buy the demo S900 I have here at a greatly reduced price. I have a suspicion the S910 will play most, if not all, of the Tyros3's styles without a problem. Ian
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#271145 - 09/16/09 01:55 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by ianmcnll: It depends on the style, and the guitars used therein.
Probably a tad more than subtle, in my opinion.
I think the differences would be less noticeable "live", and more apparent with a recording...if that makes any sense.
Since I don't currently own an arranger (also sold the P-85, and the two Bose L1 systems...actually made a profit on the latter), I'm in the market for one...if the S910's new organ sounds are the same as the T3's, I will get the former...if not, I may buy the demo S900 I have here at a greatly reduced price.
I have a suspicion the S910 will play most, if not all, of the Tyros3's styles without a problem.
Ian
Interesting. Have you noticed whether the new guitar NTT's improve older, T2 and S900 styles, or are they compatible at all? I always worry, when an entire file format gets changed, about legacy 'favorite' styles and older ones I haven't even played, yet. I guess how you respond to newer 'guitar modes' depends a LOT on whether you can actually recognize when the arranger is playing guitar parts 'wrong' in the first place... For me, Ketron's idea of ADDING a MIDI note to a basic chord for an extension (say the A to a C chord for a C6) sends a crawl down my spine, as all of a sudden you get a seven string guitar part where you used to have a six string! I've said for a long time that the BEHAVIOR of arranger parts goes a LOT more towards realism than the accuracy of the sound. An average guitar voice playing EXACTLY what a guitarist would play fools the listener more than an accurate guitar voice playing something no guitar player would ever play, IMO... [This message has been edited by Diki (edited 09-16-2009).]
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#271146 - 09/16/09 02:02 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I'm hoping the S-910 will be able to faithfully reproduce some of the third-party styles I depend upon for a relatively large number of songs. Hopefully, it will read the .sty and other types of style files. With luck, I'll get my grubby hands on one in the next several weeks when they show up at the local GC. Cheers, Gary
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#271148 - 09/16/09 02:13 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Gary and Tim,
I'm pretty sure the S910 will be compatible with the older styles, and I believe there shouldn't be any issue with styles like Ethereal Ballad, etc...although you may need to re-voice, if the T3's style contains sounds that aren't on the S910.
The biggest change was the Guitar Mode, which made the T3's styles impossible to even load into the earlier models, unless they were convertied them using Jorgen's converter....I imagine the S910's styles will be unload-able in the T2/S900/PSR-3000 unless they are converted.
Third party styles, and styles from your older arrangers should give no trouble in the S910 or the Tyros3....styles are generally upwardly compatible.
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#271149 - 09/16/09 02:25 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by Diki: The SA2 voices and the new guitar mode might finally persuade me to get one. Actually Diki, I have a list of the voices on the S910, and there are no SA2 voices. There are new SA (first generation) sounds...not an vast amount, but the ones added are very useful...if the Rock Rotary, and Jazz Rotary are the same as those on the Tyros2/3, then I'll be very pleased. There are more Mega Voices too, and more Cool! and Live! voices as well. I'm really glad the S910 panel layout is the same as the S900...I really prefer having the registration buttons in the middle.
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#271151 - 09/16/09 04:25 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by Diki: OK... Just out of curiosity, what does SA add to an organ voice? Is it how they deal with the 2nd/3rd Percussion? The SA Organs are beefier than the preset organs, and the ones made with the drawbars. The SA Jazz Rotary, for example, has the distinctive Hammond chorus vibrato nailed, as well as having a richer tone (and 2nd harmonic perc)....mod wheel changes Leslie speeds. SA Rock Rotary is warm, rich, and overdriven, sounds like 888754200 setting...just the perfect amount of grit...mod wheel changes speeds. The preset and drawbar organs on the S-series are beautifully clean and have a decent rotary speaker effect (and you can add harmonic perc to the drawbar organs), but the SA Organs are less polite and prissy...they are my "go to" organ sounds on the T2 and T3. Previous Yamaha organ sounds were more reminiscent of the Electone organs (probably not an accident ), although some managed to get close to a B-3. You already have great organ sounds (and a fine rotary sim) in the G-70, so these may not matter to you, but having these Tyros2/3 sounds on the less expensive and more portable S-910 is a real treat. I rarely adjust drawbars when playing, so the fact that the SA Organs are preset doesn't matter to me...but, they are sure inspirational. Ian [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 09-16-2009).]
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#271153 - 09/16/09 04:54 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Marketing jargon...plain and simple....all companies use it...consider some of the patch names on your G-70. The area that the Tyros1 lacked was authentic Hammond organ sounds...they were good, and some were very close, but they didn't fool anyone. Roland has always done a better job, and I was actually looking at a VK-8, an XK-1, or a Nord C1 for those kind of sounds, but I didn't use them often enough to warrant buying another instrument...and these guys weren't cheap. The Tyros2/3 came to the rescue, and with the improved Hammond style voices, there was no need for another keyboard...but, I like the MOTL S-series better for gigging...I can have two (one for backup) for the price of one Tyros2 or 3...so, if these new SA organ voices are the "real deal" (I hesitate to use that phrase around here ), I will end up with two PSR-S910 for the new year.
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#271159 - 09/16/09 05:47 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Diki,
I find less of a difference between Live!, Cool! and Sweet! voices than I do with SA voices compared with them.
SA responds more deeply, and in some cases, switches between mono and ploy, and attack or no attack, based on technique...hey, I don't have to explain it to you....you know what I'm talking about.
I really don't care what they call them...they are terrific sounds, and one of the main reasons I like playing a Yamaha arranger...all companies are guilty of marketing hype...some more than others, and in different ways, but they all do it.
I was disappointed the S910 did not have the extra effects block that is on the Tyros, but otherwise, it will be a perfect instrument for meeting my needs.
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#271161 - 09/16/09 07:06 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by Diki:
Thing is, Ian, Yamaha have quite clearly delineated SA and SA2 voices as being different (and much more expensive) than regular voices. They are going to dilute the brand if they start bestowing the title on voices that SHOULD be classified 'Live!' or whatever... Maybe they will, but I don't think a company as savvy as Yamaha would make that kind of mistake, although I do see your point. In "Yamaha speak" ..."Sweet" voices capture the delicate nuances of wind and brass instruments. "Live" voices accurately reproduce the unique characteristics of acoustic instruments and "Cool" voices reproduce the subtlest tones of electric instruments. There are also "Natural" voices found on the Clavinova CVP arranger/piano...ie. "Natural Grand" piano....when will it ever end? Have you heard anything about a new Roland arranger to replace the G-70 or even the E-80/60/50? Perhaps they will make a 76 note version of the GW-8 (the GW-76?), with more features, of course. I'm pretty sure Yamaha will have a Tyros4....but, what I would really like to see them make, is something like Korg's PA-588, but keep the weight down to about 30 lbs...maybe have 76 weighted, rather than 88...speakers optional, like the Tyros, that would help keep it from being too heavy. We live in interesting times, that's for sure. Ian [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 09-16-2009).]
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#271163 - 09/17/09 04:48 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I spent 20 minutes sifting through the style lists on the S900 and the S910. Here is a list of styles that, at least in name, are on one keyboard but not on the other:
Pop&Rock: S910: StandardRock, 60'sVintagePop, 60'sVintageRock, 80'sPop, 90'sRockBallad, ChartRockShfl, Unplugged, SoftRock, J-PopHit. S900: StraightPop, RockGtrBallad, 60'sRock1, 60'sRock2, Jammin'GtrPop, Unplugged1, Unplugged2, SoftRock, J-PopHit1, J-PopHit2. Ballad: S910: ModernPopBld, SoulR&B, ChilloutCafe, 70'sGlamPiano, Chillout. S900: NewR&BBallad, UnpluggedChart, Chillout1, Chillout2, PopNewAge. Dance: S910: Electronica, FunkyHouse, ClubBeat, RetroClub, ModChartPop, USChartHit, MellowHipHop, Ibiza2004, Ibiza2002. S900: Ibiza1, Ibiza2, Garage, TechnoParty, DiscoChocolate, USPop. Swing&Jazz: S910: ModBigBandShfl, ModernBigBand, JazzGtrClub, JazzWaltzMed. S900: MediumJazz. R&B: S910: ModernShuffle, Rock&Roll, KoolFunk. S900: Rock&Roll1, Rock&Roll2, ModernR&B, ComboBoogie, BluesBallad. Country: S910: 70'sCountryPop. S900: CountrySwingRk. Latin: S910: LatinPartyPop, Cumbia, Forro, Joropo, Parranda, Reggaeton, RumbaFlamenco. S900: RumbaFlamenco1, RumbaFlamenco2, PopSalsa. Ballroom: S910 & S900 are identical. Movie&Show: S910: AnimationBld, BroadwayBld. S900: Learning2-4, Learning4-4, Learning6-8, Fun3-4, Fun4-4. Entertainer: S910: GermanRock, SchlagerFox, EuroPopOrgan. S900: [nothing] World: S910: BohemianWaltz, IrishHymn, ArabicEuro, Saeidy, Laff, WehdaSaghira, Duranguense, Bhajan, Bhangra, Xi Qing Luo Gu, Jing Ju Jie Zou, Grupera, Enka. S900: IrishHymn1, IrishHymn2, Enka1, Enka2, PopEnka, FolkRock, LimboRock.
Beakybird
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#271164 - 09/17/09 04:57 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Larry,
It might be a good idea to store the S900 styles (that you use) that aren't on the S910 (that is, if you are planning on getting one) in a flashdrive folder ...they should work perfectly in the latter.
When I went from the 3k to the S900, there were a few styles from the former missing on the latter.
Many of the new S910 styles are from the Tyros3...plus, I imagine most of the T3's styles should work with a bit of revoicing, if necessary.
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#271172 - 09/18/09 02:53 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I posted a link to the Data List, which shows the different styles. Obviously, some will likely be the same styles that have been reworked for the newer keyboard's voices. This is not at all uncommon with all brands. And, some just change intros, breaks, fills and endings, but still use the same style. Unfortunately, there is no way to determine any of this until you actually sit down at the keyboard and listen to each and every style and its variations. Then, and only then, can you make the determination.
Because some of the styles found in older models are quite good, I usually copy them to a folder, then burn them to a CD for future use. Granted, this takes some time, but it's well worth the effort. Over the years I likely have accumulated more than 40,000 styles, many of which are quite good, and because of this I still use some 5 to 8 year-old styles during performances.
In many instances, I have renamed the styles to a specific song title, hence my creation of Gig Disks several years ago. The reasoning behind this was that in my collection of styles there are likely 50 or more Big Band Fast, Big Band Med, Big Band 40s, etc.., styles with the exact same names from the same manufacturer that do not sound alike. I'll reserve my judgment of the S-910 until I can sit down with the board for a couple hours, which hopefully, will be sometime during mid October.
Cheers,
Gary
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