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#271124 - 09/15/09 05:45 AM Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Don't know if this has been mentioned before (sorry if it has) but the s910/710 manual set is now available at the Yamaha Manual Web Site http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/


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#271125 - 09/15/09 05:49 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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#271126 - 09/15/09 06:39 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Thanks for the links. I was just looking at the Data List. It's interesting to see what new voices are being included.

I took a cursory look at the list of styles. It seems that many of the new styles are in the World category and include Far Eastern styles (that I would never use) and several new Latin styles.

Does anything else jump out as far as new features, besides the mp3 recorder?

Beakybird

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#271127 - 09/15/09 06:59 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Larry,

I believe they have changed the screen to a TFT Supertwist, which is much easier to see, even under bright light conditions. However, I don't believe it's the sunlight viewable type such as those used on marine depth finders and marine GPS systems. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the S-910 and hope it is essentially the little sister to the Tyros3 with several new voices and style arrangements. If this is indeed the case, then I may well upgrade from my aging PSR-3000s (2 of them). If not, then I guess those 3000s will by something akin to my equally ageing Timex Watch--just keep on keeping on.

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#271128 - 09/15/09 07:20 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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It has two of my favorite SA voices from the Tyros2/3...Jazz Rotary, and Rock Rotary...organ voices that are awesome and ones I used a lot.

The MP3 playback and new screen, are nice additions, but matter little to me.

Having some new styles is nice, but I usually use my own.

I have one on order to try out, and to demo as well....since I presently do not own an arranger (I have the S900, and Tyros3 on my Yamaha sample account), I may end up buying the S910 if I like it.

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#271129 - 09/15/09 08:49 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Larry mentions some styles that he wouldn't use. On a Yamaha is it possible to sswap out styles for those you would use?

Gary, I didn't realise there were such things as 'sunlight viewable' screens that you mention. I wonder how much it would add to the price of a keyboard if these were used universally. True, they're not an essential item in the main (which may preclude their inclusion as standard), but when you need one, you NEED one. I guess most of us have tried home-made screen shields with varying success over the years, but a 'sunlight-viewable' screen would be ideal.

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#271130 - 09/15/09 09:02 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by 124:
Larry mentions some styles that he wouldn't use. On a Yamaha is it possible to sswap out styles for those you would use?



You can't replace the ROM styles with new ones (possible on some Korg and Roland arrangers)...you can, however, load edited, or new styles into the User Style, or have them easily accessible in folders on a USB Flashdrive.

Ian



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#271131 - 09/15/09 01:12 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Sunlight viewable screens have been available for more than 20 years, and they're not at all expensive. The least expensive marine depth finder/fish finder cost about $100, has a 400 X 600 resolution and can be seen clearly in direct sunlight. The technique is called super-twist TFT (thin film transistor) and it actually gets brighter with increased sunlight. Essentially, the light passes through a grid, then is reflected back through the LCD display, thereby providing all the backlight needed to see the information on the screen. The current LCD displays utilize a tiny florescent light on each side of the screen, which is just about useless outdoors. Even a large, florescent, shop-light is nearly invisible in direct sunlight. You can only imagine what you get with a light that is the size of a pencil lead.

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#271132 - 09/15/09 01:20 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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BTW: There is an S-910 data list now available HERE

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#271133 - 09/15/09 02:07 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I notice a few pop styles, a few dance styles, and a few R&B styles that aren't on the S900. I don't know if their on my USB that has my T2 styles.

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#271134 - 09/15/09 02:09 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I wonder what style format will the s910 in? older s900 or the new tyros 3?

I did notice newer styles also that are not on the s900.
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#271135 - 09/15/09 03:07 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Hi Guys - I compared the on-board styles for 910 to the list for S900 and here are what I think (based on a cursory look) are the outliers (haven't compared this list to T2 styles). I do recognize at least a couple as T3 styles.

ModernPopBld
SoulR&B
R&BSoulBallad
ChilloutCafe
70sGlamPiano
90sCoolBallad
Chillout
PianoBallad
MellowHipHop
ModBigBandShfl
ModernBigBand
JazzGtrClub
ModernShuffle
Rock&Roll
KoolFunk
AnimationBld
BroadwayBld
GermanRock
SchlagerFox
Bhajan
Bhangra
XiQingLuoGu
JingJuJieZou
Erika

I was hoping the S910 would include the "delayed articulation piano" voice (octave/cocktail sound with a delay in triggering the voices) but I don't
know if that's one of them that came down to S910 or not.

Also, according to the specs, both T3 and S910 use the "GE" style file format.

Looking forward to more info and some demo's. "And the beat goes on......"

Y'all have a great week!

Randy
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#271136 - 09/16/09 05:51 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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There are only 17 more styles. There are probably a handful of styles on the S900 that didn't make it onto the S910.

There is 1mb of additional USER memory.

Beakybird

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#271137 - 09/16/09 06:22 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by saxxman:

I was hoping the S910 would include the "delayed articulation piano" voice (octave/cocktail sound with a delay in triggering the voices) but I don't
know if that's one of them that came down to S910 or not.

Y'all have a great week!

Randy


Ditto on that piano!

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#271138 - 09/16/09 11:34 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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will the new 910 styles (17) work ok in the s900 also? or?

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#271139 - 09/16/09 12:11 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I don't think the PSR-S910 styles will work at all on the S900...it is using the new Guitar Mode, as does the Tyros3.

There were conversions of the T3 styles to T2/S900, and they were okay, but, in my opinion, not outstanding.

I suspect S910 to T2/S900 conversions will be similar.

You will be able to play S900 styles on the S910, and perhaps it will also play some of the Tyros3 styles.

Won't know for sure till I get one.

Ian
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#271140 - 09/16/09 12:35 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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As always Ian thank you for enlightening me with this good information. I have to say I have no interest in teh S910 at this time as I am very content with the S900...it has been a workhorse that always gets the job done time after time. I really look forward to Yamaha's "next" arranger KB series beyond T3/S910 for sure.

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#271141 - 09/16/09 01:28 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I might wait until I had heard how well the new guitar NTT's work before I made that decision, myself. Of all the things in an arranger, getting realistic guitar parts is perhaps the hardest (witness Ketron going to audio loops to end run around the issue). If Yamaha's new system improves things that dramatically, perhaps it might be a good time to move, Donny?

Ian, you've got both the S900 and the T3 at the moment, don't you? Would you say that the new guitar mode is a quantum leap past the S900, or is it just a very subtle improvement?
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#271142 - 09/16/09 01:40 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Ian, you've got both the S900 and the T3 at the moment, don't you? Would you say that the new guitar mode is a quantum leap past the S900, or is it just a very subtle improvement?


It depends on the style, and the guitars used therein.

Probably a tad more than subtle, in my opinion.

I think the differences would be less noticeable "live", and more apparent with a recording...if that makes any sense.

Since I don't currently own an arranger (also sold the P-85, and the two Bose L1 systems...actually made a profit on the latter), I'm in the market for one...if the S910's new organ sounds are the same as the T3's, I will get the former...if not, I may buy the demo S900 I have here at a greatly reduced price.

I have a suspicion the S910 will play most, if not all, of the Tyros3's styles without a problem.

Ian
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#271143 - 09/16/09 01:48 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
I think the differences would be less noticeable "live", and more apparent with a recording...if that makes any sense.



None of these so called perfect sound mean anything if you not a good player at any level...there's too much emphasis on these sounds all the time ......these manufacturers IMO have well thought out these KB's and I very rarely if ever alter a sound from factory. I'll more often tweak a style.....its your playing that makes all the difference.

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#271144 - 09/16/09 01:51 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I noticed in the data list that some of my favorite T3 styles were not included on the 910 - namely Ethereal Movie, Movie Soundtrack, Blockbuster, Romantic Ballet, Green Fantasia, Classical Menuet, and Classical Serenade. These are all superb.

The good news is that the 910 can play the T3 styles, so I should be able to get these eventually and load them up...that is after I get my 910!
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#271145 - 09/16/09 01:55 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
It depends on the style, and the guitars used therein.

Probably a tad more than subtle, in my opinion.

I think the differences would be less noticeable "live", and more apparent with a recording...if that makes any sense.

Since I don't currently own an arranger (also sold the P-85, and the two Bose L1 systems...actually made a profit on the latter), I'm in the market for one...if the S910's new organ sounds are the same as the T3's, I will get the former...if not, I may buy the demo S900 I have here at a greatly reduced price.

I have a suspicion the S910 will play most, if not all, of the Tyros3's styles without a problem.

Ian



Interesting. Have you noticed whether the new guitar NTT's improve older, T2 and S900 styles, or are they compatible at all? I always worry, when an entire file format gets changed, about legacy 'favorite' styles and older ones I haven't even played, yet.

I guess how you respond to newer 'guitar modes' depends a LOT on whether you can actually recognize when the arranger is playing guitar parts 'wrong' in the first place... For me, Ketron's idea of ADDING a MIDI note to a basic chord for an extension (say the A to a C chord for a C6) sends a crawl down my spine, as all of a sudden you get a seven string guitar part where you used to have a six string!

I've said for a long time that the BEHAVIOR of arranger parts goes a LOT more towards realism than the accuracy of the sound. An average guitar voice playing EXACTLY what a guitarist would play fools the listener more than an accurate guitar voice playing something no guitar player would ever play, IMO...

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#271146 - 09/16/09 02:02 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I'm hoping the S-910 will be able to faithfully reproduce some of the third-party styles I depend upon for a relatively large number of songs. Hopefully, it will read the .sty and other types of style files. With luck, I'll get my grubby hands on one in the next several weeks when they show up at the local GC.

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#271147 - 09/16/09 02:12 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I look forward to the reviews...

I have been considering a Yamaha for my home studio (always looking for something that does great guitars), and might even be tempted to use it for cocktail gigs. The SA2 voices and the new guitar mode might finally persuade me to get one.
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#271148 - 09/16/09 02:13 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Gary and Tim,

I'm pretty sure the S910 will be compatible with the older styles, and I believe there shouldn't be any issue with styles like Ethereal Ballad, etc...although you may need to re-voice, if the T3's style contains sounds that aren't on the S910.

The biggest change was the Guitar Mode, which made the T3's styles impossible to even load into the earlier models, unless they were convertied them using Jorgen's converter....I imagine the S910's styles will be unload-able in the T2/S900/PSR-3000 unless they are converted.

Third party styles, and styles from your older arrangers should give no trouble in the S910 or the Tyros3....styles are generally upwardly compatible.



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#271149 - 09/16/09 02:25 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by Diki:
The SA2 voices and the new guitar mode might finally persuade me to get one.


Actually Diki, I have a list of the voices on the S910, and there are no SA2 voices.

There are new SA (first generation) sounds...not an vast amount, but the ones added are very useful...if the Rock Rotary, and Jazz Rotary are the same as those on the Tyros2/3, then I'll be very pleased.

There are more Mega Voices too, and more Cool! and Live! voices as well.

I'm really glad the S910 panel layout is the same as the S900...I really prefer having the registration buttons in the middle.
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#271150 - 09/16/09 02:50 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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OK... Just out of curiosity, what does SA add to an organ voice? Is it how they deal with the 2nd/3rd Percussion?
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#271151 - 09/16/09 04:25 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Originally posted by Diki:
OK... Just out of curiosity, what does SA add to an organ voice? Is it how they deal with the 2nd/3rd Percussion?


The SA Organs are beefier than the preset organs, and the ones made with the drawbars.

The SA Jazz Rotary, for example, has the distinctive Hammond chorus vibrato nailed, as well as having a richer tone (and 2nd harmonic perc)....mod wheel changes Leslie speeds.

SA Rock Rotary is warm, rich, and overdriven, sounds like 888754200 setting...just the perfect amount of grit...mod wheel changes speeds.

The preset and drawbar organs on the S-series are beautifully clean and have a decent rotary speaker effect (and you can add harmonic perc to the drawbar organs), but the SA Organs are less polite and prissy...they are my "go to" organ sounds on the T2 and T3.

Previous Yamaha organ sounds were more reminiscent of the Electone organs (probably not an accident ), although some managed to get close to a B-3.

You already have great organ sounds (and a fine rotary sim) in the G-70, so these may not matter to you, but having these Tyros2/3 sounds on the less expensive and more portable S-910 is a real treat.

I rarely adjust drawbars when playing, so the fact that the SA Organs are preset doesn't matter to me...but, they are sure inspirational.

Ian



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#271152 - 09/16/09 04:38 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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It's just that, I was always under the impression that SA voices meant 'Super Articulation', and just wondered WHAT got 'articulated'.

Sounds rather like simply a better sampled regular voice, from your description, Ian... I hope Yamaha aren't using SA to describe voices that are better suited to the 'Live!' or 'Cool!' categories to pump up their stats.

BTW, quick rant... What's with all this Live! Cool! and Sweet! BS? Wouldn't a more accurate description (say 'stereo' or Vel-Xed) be more informative?
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#271153 - 09/16/09 04:54 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Marketing jargon...plain and simple....all companies use it...consider some of the patch names on your G-70.

The area that the Tyros1 lacked was authentic Hammond organ sounds...they were good, and some were very close, but they didn't fool anyone.

Roland has always done a better job, and I was actually looking at a VK-8, an XK-1, or a Nord C1 for those kind of sounds, but I didn't use them often enough to warrant buying another instrument...and these guys weren't cheap.

The Tyros2/3 came to the rescue, and with the improved Hammond style voices, there was no need for another keyboard...but, I like the MOTL S-series better for gigging...I can have two (one for backup) for the price of one Tyros2 or 3...so, if these new SA organ voices are the "real deal" (I hesitate to use that phrase around here ), I will end up with two PSR-S910 for the new year.
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#271154 - 09/16/09 04:56 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Yamaha has no worries being the top selling arranger KB dog in the world......it's not BS Diki....Yamaha is the "REAL DEAL"

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#271155 - 09/16/09 05:26 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Well, that clinches it... thanks, Donny

BTW, Roland make NO distinction between ANY of its' Tones. They are just that... Tones! OK, Maybe with the exception of the VK Organ 'HB' section, which uses a different tone generation chip altogether...

But Yamaha have made VERY strong distinctions between its' SA voices and everything else. I hope they are not diluting that difference, just for the sake of padding their stats...
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#271156 - 09/16/09 05:32 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Just listen and weep....

let me know when the G70 will sound like this...

http://music-tyros.com/index.html

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#271157 - 09/16/09 05:40 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I am weeping, Donny... laughing my ass off, actually!

If I wanted to sound like that, I would already have a T3. If I wanted to be stuck on a 61 note arranger with no options, I might already have a T3.

And, come to think of it, if that is the 'real deal', why don't you have one?
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#271158 - 09/16/09 05:45 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Now your putting down all the Yamaha lovers I know the thousands of players around the world can't be wrong.. .....I believe what I hear....keep laughing maybe you need a hearing test.

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#271159 - 09/16/09 05:47 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Diki,

I find less of a difference between Live!, Cool! and Sweet! voices than I do with SA voices compared with them.

SA responds more deeply, and in some cases, switches between mono and ploy, and attack or no attack, based on technique...hey, I don't have to explain it to you....you know what I'm talking about.

I really don't care what they call them...they are terrific sounds, and one of the main reasons I like playing a Yamaha arranger...all companies are guilty of marketing hype...some more than others, and in different ways, but they all do it.

I was disappointed the S910 did not have the extra effects block that is on the Tyros, but otherwise, it will be a perfect instrument for meeting my needs.
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#271160 - 09/16/09 05:58 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Yep, it sounds more and more tempting. Looking forward to trying it soon.

Now, does THAT sound like I'm putting it down, Donny? BTW, does it occur to you that what you have said is putting down the tens of thousands of Roland users around the world...? Oh, that's right. You're not one of them (currently!). What do you care?

Ditto...

Thing is, Ian, Yamaha have quite clearly delineated SA and SA2 voices as being different (and much more expensive) than regular voices. They are going to dilute the brand if they start bestowing the title on voices that SHOULD be classified 'Live!' or whatever...
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#271161 - 09/16/09 07:06 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:

Thing is, Ian, Yamaha have quite clearly delineated SA and SA2 voices as being different (and much more expensive) than regular voices. They are going to dilute the brand if they start bestowing the title on voices that SHOULD be classified 'Live!' or whatever...


Maybe they will, but I don't think a company as savvy as Yamaha would make that kind of mistake, although I do see your point.

In "Yamaha speak" ..."Sweet" voices capture the delicate nuances of wind and brass instruments. "Live" voices accurately reproduce the unique characteristics of acoustic instruments and "Cool" voices reproduce the subtlest tones of electric instruments.

There are also "Natural" voices found on the Clavinova CVP arranger/piano...ie. "Natural Grand" piano....when will it ever end?

Have you heard anything about a new Roland arranger to replace the G-70 or even the E-80/60/50? Perhaps they will make a 76 note version of the GW-8 (the GW-76?), with more features, of course.

I'm pretty sure Yamaha will have a Tyros4....but, what I would really like to see them make, is something like Korg's PA-588, but keep the weight down to about 30 lbs...maybe have 76 weighted, rather than 88...speakers optional, like the Tyros, that would help keep it from being too heavy.

We live in interesting times, that's for sure.

Ian

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#271162 - 09/17/09 04:04 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I'm disappointed too that there isn't the extra FX block that was trumpeted in some of the early buzz about the S910.

The S.A. voices are unique from the other voices not only in how they sound but in that they have sounds that can be activated with a footswitch, like an inhale sound with an S.A. wind instrument, or a harmonic sound with an S.A. electric guitar, or a hand to wood sound on an S.A. nylon guitar.

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#271163 - 09/17/09 04:48 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I spent 20 minutes sifting through the style lists on the S900 and the S910. Here is a list of styles that, at least in name, are on one keyboard but not on the other:

Pop&Rock:
S910: StandardRock, 60'sVintagePop, 60'sVintageRock, 80'sPop, 90'sRockBallad, ChartRockShfl, Unplugged, SoftRock, J-PopHit.
S900: StraightPop, RockGtrBallad, 60'sRock1, 60'sRock2, Jammin'GtrPop, Unplugged1, Unplugged2, SoftRock, J-PopHit1, J-PopHit2.
Ballad:
S910: ModernPopBld, SoulR&B, ChilloutCafe, 70'sGlamPiano, Chillout.
S900: NewR&BBallad, UnpluggedChart, Chillout1, Chillout2, PopNewAge.
Dance:
S910: Electronica, FunkyHouse, ClubBeat, RetroClub, ModChartPop, USChartHit, MellowHipHop, Ibiza2004, Ibiza2002.
S900: Ibiza1, Ibiza2, Garage, TechnoParty, DiscoChocolate, USPop.
Swing&Jazz:
S910: ModBigBandShfl, ModernBigBand, JazzGtrClub, JazzWaltzMed.
S900: MediumJazz.
R&B:
S910: ModernShuffle, Rock&Roll, KoolFunk.
S900: Rock&Roll1, Rock&Roll2, ModernR&B, ComboBoogie, BluesBallad.
Country:
S910: 70'sCountryPop.
S900: CountrySwingRk.
Latin:
S910: LatinPartyPop, Cumbia, Forro, Joropo, Parranda, Reggaeton, RumbaFlamenco.
S900: RumbaFlamenco1, RumbaFlamenco2, PopSalsa.
Ballroom:
S910 & S900 are identical.
Movie&Show:
S910: AnimationBld, BroadwayBld.
S900: Learning2-4, Learning4-4, Learning6-8, Fun3-4, Fun4-4.
Entertainer:
S910: GermanRock, SchlagerFox, EuroPopOrgan.
S900: [nothing]
World:
S910: BohemianWaltz, IrishHymn, ArabicEuro, Saeidy, Laff, WehdaSaghira, Duranguense, Bhajan, Bhangra, Xi Qing Luo Gu, Jing Ju Jie Zou, Grupera, Enka.
S900: IrishHymn1, IrishHymn2, Enka1, Enka2, PopEnka, FolkRock, LimboRock.

Beakybird

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#271164 - 09/17/09 04:57 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Larry,

It might be a good idea to store the S900 styles (that you use) that aren't on the S910 (that is, if you are planning on getting one) in a flashdrive folder ...they should work perfectly in the latter.

When I went from the 3k to the S900, there were a few styles from the former missing on the latter.

Many of the new S910 styles are from the Tyros3...plus, I imagine most of the T3's styles should work with a bit of revoicing, if necessary.
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#271165 - 09/17/09 06:25 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Do Yamaha keep a consistent nomenclature for styles across different models? In other words, will the same style have different names when newer or different models come out?
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#271166 - 09/17/09 07:14 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Sometimes the names are different for the same basic style, but usually the intros and endings are changed a bit as well...the four main variations are usually the same.

Sometimes there may be changes in the voices...but, not very often.
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#271167 - 09/18/09 10:59 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I'm looking at my T2 files now. A lot of T2 styles had to be modified to play in the S900, but will probably play perfectly in the S910.

The T2 and the S910 have very similar specs as far as voices with the nudge going to the T2.

T2: 42 Super Articulation Voices,
S910: 38 Super Articulation Voices
T2: 18 MegaVoices
S910: 18 MegaVoices
T2: 23 Sweet! Voices,
S910: 24 Sweet! Voices
T2: 58 Live! Voices,
S910: 29 Live! Voices
T2: Live! Drums (9 drum kits),
S910: 0 Live! Drums
T2: 39 Cool! Voices,
S910: 46 Cool! Voices

I don't think there is much of a difference between the drums on the T2 and on the S910, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Beakybird



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#271168 - 09/18/09 11:18 AM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I'm hoping the T3's styles will load directly into the S910...won't know for sure till I get one of the latter...but, if they will, it shouldn't be too hard to revoice the T3's styles to the S910's soundset.

The T2's styles shouldn't be a problem either.

Ian
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#271169 - 09/18/09 12:01 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Larry, it looks like you were comparing S910 to T2, but the list all said S900...

Is that the 900 or 910 list?
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#271170 - 09/18/09 12:18 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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And Ian... is there a list somewhere that clears up what style is what? Changing the Intro doesn't count as a new style, in my book!
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#271171 - 09/18/09 12:22 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I don't know about any list, Diki. Perhaps someone has one and can share it.
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#271172 - 09/18/09 02:53 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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I posted a link to the Data List, which shows the different styles. Obviously, some will likely be the same styles that have been reworked for the newer keyboard's voices. This is not at all uncommon with all brands. And, some just change intros, breaks, fills and endings, but still use the same style. Unfortunately, there is no way to determine any of this until you actually sit down at the keyboard and listen to each and every style and its variations. Then, and only then, can you make the determination.

Because some of the styles found in older models are quite good, I usually copy them to a folder, then burn them to a CD for future use. Granted, this takes some time, but it's well worth the effort. Over the years I likely have accumulated more than 40,000 styles, many of which are quite good, and because of this I still use some 5 to 8 year-old styles during performances.

In many instances, I have renamed the styles to a specific song title, hence my creation of Gig Disks several years ago. The reasoning behind this was that in my collection of styles there are likely 50 or more Big Band Fast, Big Band Med, Big Band 40s, etc.., styles with the exact same names from the same manufacturer that do not sound alike. I'll reserve my judgment of the S-910 until I can sit down with the board for a couple hours, which hopefully, will be sometime during mid October.

Cheers,

Gary
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#271173 - 09/18/09 03:24 PM Re: Yamaha PSR s910 s710 manuals
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Oops. That was a typo on my part. I corrected my previous post changing S900 to S910.

Beakybird



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