Yamaha has no worries being the top selling arranger KB dog in the world......it's not BS Diki....Yamaha is the "REAL DEAL"

Well, that clinches it... thanks, Donny

BTW, Roland make NO distinction between ANY of its' Tones. They are just that... Tones! OK, Maybe with the exception of the VK Organ 'HB' section, which uses a different tone generation chip altogether...

But Yamaha have made VERY strong distinctions between its' SA voices and everything else. I hope they are not diluting that difference, just for the sake of padding their stats...

Just listen and weep....

let me know when the G70 will sound like this...

http://music-tyros.com/index.html

I am weeping, Donny... laughing my ass off, actually!

If I wanted to sound like that, I would already have a T3. If I wanted to be stuck on a 61 note arranger with no options, I might already have a T3.

And, come to think of it, if that is the 'real deal', why don't you have one?

Now your putting down all the Yamaha lovers I know the thousands of players around the world can't be wrong.. .....I believe what I hear....keep laughing maybe you need a hearing test.

Diki,

I find less of a difference between Live!, Cool! and Sweet! voices than I do with SA voices compared with them.

SA responds more deeply, and in some cases, switches between mono and ploy, and attack or no attack, based on technique...hey, I don't have to explain it to you....you know what I'm talking about.

I really don't care what they call them...they are terrific sounds, and one of the main reasons I like playing a Yamaha arranger...all companies are guilty of marketing hype...some more than others, and in different ways, but they all do it.

I was disappointed the S910 did not have the extra effects block that is on the Tyros, but otherwise, it will be a perfect instrument for meeting my needs.

Yep, it sounds more and more tempting. Looking forward to trying it soon.

Now, does THAT sound like I'm putting it down, Donny? BTW, does it occur to you that what you have said is putting down the tens of thousands of Roland users around the world...? Oh, that's right. You're not one of them (currently!). What do you care?

Ditto...

Thing is, Ian, Yamaha have quite clearly delineated SA and SA2 voices as being different (and much more expensive) than regular voices. They are going to dilute the brand if they start bestowing the title on voices that SHOULD be classified 'Live!' or whatever...

Maybe they will, but I don't think a company as savvy as Yamaha would make that kind of mistake, although I do see your point.

In "Yamaha speak" ..."Sweet" voices capture the delicate nuances of wind and brass instruments. "Live" voices accurately reproduce the unique characteristics of acoustic instruments and "Cool" voices reproduce the subtlest tones of electric instruments.

There are also "Natural" voices found on the Clavinova CVP arranger/piano...ie. "Natural Grand" piano....when will it ever end?

Have you heard anything about a new Roland arranger to replace the G-70 or even the E-80/60/50? Perhaps they will make a 76 note version of the GW-8 (the GW-76?), with more features, of course.

I'm pretty sure Yamaha will have a Tyros4....but, what I would really like to see them make, is something like Korg's PA-588, but keep the weight down to about 30 lbs...maybe have 76 weighted, rather than 88...speakers optional, like the Tyros, that would help keep it from being too heavy.

We live in interesting times, that's for sure.

Ian

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I'm disappointed too that there isn't the extra FX block that was trumpeted in some of the early buzz about the S910.

The S.A. voices are unique from the other voices not only in how they sound but in that they have sounds that can be activated with a footswitch, like an inhale sound with an S.A. wind instrument, or a harmonic sound with an S.A. electric guitar, or a hand to wood sound on an S.A. nylon guitar.

Beakybird

I spent 20 minutes sifting through the style lists on the S900 and the S910. Here is a list of styles that, at least in name, are on one keyboard but not on the other:

Pop&Rock:
S910: StandardRock, 60'sVintagePop, 60'sVintageRock, 80'sPop, 90'sRockBallad, ChartRockShfl, Unplugged, SoftRock, J-PopHit.
S900: StraightPop, RockGtrBallad, 60'sRock1, 60'sRock2, Jammin'GtrPop, Unplugged1, Unplugged2, SoftRock, J-PopHit1, J-PopHit2.
Ballad:
S910: ModernPopBld, SoulR&B, ChilloutCafe, 70'sGlamPiano, Chillout.
S900: NewR&BBallad, UnpluggedChart, Chillout1, Chillout2, PopNewAge.
Dance:
S910: Electronica, FunkyHouse, ClubBeat, RetroClub, ModChartPop, USChartHit, MellowHipHop, Ibiza2004, Ibiza2002.
S900: Ibiza1, Ibiza2, Garage, TechnoParty, DiscoChocolate, USPop.
Swing&Jazz:
S910: ModBigBandShfl, ModernBigBand, JazzGtrClub, JazzWaltzMed.
S900: MediumJazz.
R&B:
S910: ModernShuffle, Rock&Roll, KoolFunk.
S900: Rock&Roll1, Rock&Roll2, ModernR&B, ComboBoogie, BluesBallad.
Country:
S910: 70'sCountryPop.
S900: CountrySwingRk.
Latin:
S910: LatinPartyPop, Cumbia, Forro, Joropo, Parranda, Reggaeton, RumbaFlamenco.
S900: RumbaFlamenco1, RumbaFlamenco2, PopSalsa.
Ballroom:
S910 & S900 are identical.
Movie&Show:
S910: AnimationBld, BroadwayBld.
S900: Learning2-4, Learning4-4, Learning6-8, Fun3-4, Fun4-4.
Entertainer:
S910: GermanRock, SchlagerFox, EuroPopOrgan.
S900: [nothing]
World:
S910: BohemianWaltz, IrishHymn, ArabicEuro, Saeidy, Laff, WehdaSaghira, Duranguense, Bhajan, Bhangra, Xi Qing Luo Gu, Jing Ju Jie Zou, Grupera, Enka.
S900: IrishHymn1, IrishHymn2, Enka1, Enka2, PopEnka, FolkRock, LimboRock.

Beakybird

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