That's the simple beauty of the Korg. The user has the choice.

The can edit to the 'nth degree, or just enjoy it totally o.o.t.b.

Personally I wish it was as easy as editing a Jx3p (or 8p), the synthesis back then was so much more straight forward, but the degree of control you can utilise on these machines (Korgs) is astounding.

NO other arranger comes close.
there's probably a few so-called "workstations" that come to mind as well that also do not come close. I think they come from Roland too

Wonderful!!

Korg has been on this track for many years. Even the i30 is an "Interactive Music Workstation" - tells you that right on the keyboard. And that's been around since 1998. Maybe the i2, i3 and other previous models were so designated.

Yamaha has many expert sound/style specialists creating these sounds which they never get the credit it deserves.. and they do a great job that's why they are #1 in the world in sales. Korg is a distant second IMO.....but does cater more to the eastern music needs & that's is where their editing strength is used more.

Yes Giner, everything was based on those. Its funny how some people talk about things they
have no clue about. And Diki, no, G70s DrumKit edit is no superior to a PA series, maybe to
the old I series but not to PA. As far as Yammy goes its just sad, you cant do $hit on the synth
itself, you need a computer and a stupid XG to do a basic thing...and i know what i am talking about!
As i said few time, maybe about REALTIME LIVE USE i cant say much but about programming...

I have been playing on stage Korg arrangers from their first early 80's models..thru the years I have become a big Yamaha fan simply due to Korgs OS of doing things & the sound just isn't to my liking for arranger play not to mention the fills quirks, and lack of aftermarket style support but if people enjoy it so be it.. For my needs YAMAHA serves me better even with some workarounds..

I believe you misread me. I stated that there is very LITTLE drumkit editing on a Roland (and no way to store a User Kit).

The things I find completely superior in Roland's is their Style and SMF header editing tools (Makeup Tools), and their Cover Tools section, which allows for a one button complete re-orchestration of a style.

Makeup Tools is by far the easiest thing I have ever seen for taking a style that doesn't sound very good, and tweaking it until it does. Patch, effects, pan, volume, dynamics (this one is the deal clincher), EQ, sound editing (basic though it is!), all of these can be addressed through the same page for every different sound the style uses. Then, for the style drum kit, there is an easy to use page where the style's drum sounds can be substituted, effects adjusted individually, EQ adjusted individually, and, most importantly for multi-velocity sample drum sounds, the velocity can adjusted (and makeup volume applied) so that the velocity x-over points hit correctly (assuming your style had any dynamics in the first place ).

Basically, everything you need, in one place, to turn a POS into a usable style. Same tools exist for all the Parts in an SMF, too...

Pretty good, eh? Maybe not revolutionary, but ultra convenient and well laid out. But the icing on the cake is the interaction with the Cover Tools.

Cover Tools takes a style, and automatically replaces all the sounds (or just the bass or drums) with sounds from specific genres. Up to 29 of them... Change a Jazz style to a Latin style with one button. Change a rock style to a techno style, one button. Change a Latin style to a disco style. One button... You get the picture. ALL the sounds changed, presto! Now, of course, this isn't always going to give great results. But often, you find intriguing possibilities, especially with the drums.

But here's the kicker. You take your new, exciting sounding style that might have a few clunker sounds, and bring it back to the Makeup Tools editor, correct what needs correcting, leave cool sounding stuff alone, and in a FRACTION of the time any other arranger takes, you have a fresh, exciting style to work with...

Voice editing is cool, and don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see something more comprehensive on Roland's. But things like this make the greater impact to my sound and style choice, and hence my overall show, than a few edited lead sounds...

Just in case we get a 'hit and run'. This is the sentence all the fuss is about

Yeah I really like the user friendliness of Roland's TOTL Boards (my first "real" board was a VA-7) and I wish I had the Cover/Makeup tools on my PA1-X.

If you combine that aspect of the G-70's ease of use with the Korg's "depth" and sampling capabilities you really WOULD have a killer Arranger.

In fact, the only reason I didn't go for the G-70 back when I bought a new board was the lack of sampling (I play my fair share of Dance/Top40/RnB) and the Keybed - a personal preference in the end, I much prefer the Korg's bed to the G-70, again **PERSONAL PREFERENCE**.

Unless Roland come up with something absolutely mind blowing with their next line of Boards, I'll be upgrading to the PA2x in the near(ish) future.....

Wrong Donny,
If you consider world wide sales Yamaha is #2.
Also, No it is not just or mostly Mid-Eastern folks that use all the in depth editing...Many of us all around the world use them a lot. In fact including me, I know of at least 5 people on out=r Korg Forum that have created fromscratch some of our own sounds...some using the new DNC functions.

On your other note...Yamaha has some great products and a great following. I myself do like a lot about the Yamaha's (OS is not one of them) but, I being a geek and musician prefer the Korg in general for many reasons. I had a T2 here side by side for 6 monthes and I tell you as far as most of th sounds and the general sound quality...the Korg blows it away. However, there are a few sounds I loved on the T2, that I am now recreating on the Korg.

Fran,
A brand new Irish Grand Piano sound set is due to be released to us all very soon. It is of the Steinway and has 4 samples per note (different velocitys) and has dynamic resonance, supports half pedaling and to me sounds absoluely beautiful.

It was put together by 2 of the Korg forum members, I am a beta tester along with others. It uses 160 MB of sample ram.
You can hear a demo of the beta version here: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=44820

It is being refined by the two developers now. By the way, the Grand Piano OTTB on the PA is pretty darn nice. But this Steinway is really super, especially for slow ballads, classical etc.

The tools to do this stuff on the PA are there, and many of us are learning how to do it. This is in response to your original post. Style editing and sequencer are also PRO level.

I'm not saying it is perfect or better for everyone...just that the programming and tools are top notch and I have not seen anything better...IMHO and in response to your original post.

Lee S.



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Hi James
any chance we'll see the piano adapted for PA800.

http://www.irishacts.com/

best wishes
Rikki



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