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#269464 - 08/19/09 11:55 PM
Re: Survival or Death to the Arranger keyboard ?
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi, I think it would be great if they could be loaded up with the type of styles ( & sounds required ) that the user wanted ie jazz, swing, country or dance, rap whatever, for the youngsters, oriental for those that want it.
I've never used an oriental style or a rap style, doubt the kids would use a vienese waltz.
For years they've tried to please everyone with a mish mash of styles.
Will they survive, time will tell. best wishes Rikki
p.s One thing I'd luv to see is an onboard phrase library , so that it would make it easier to create user styles, something along the lines of Technics Easy Composer.
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#269466 - 08/20/09 03:26 AM
Re: Survival or Death to the Arranger keyboard ?
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi Bill, very interesting. Can't be tempted though, no Wersi's in Aust. unless specially imported.
With the Technics, ( from memory)I was actually able to create a complete style part ie the 5 instruments, plus bass, & drums. If I remember correctly the drums were split into, bass drum patterns, snare patterns, hihats . In short you could even create new drum patterns quite easily .
You just kept scrolling thru various tracks till you got something that suited. Could have been better set out, but it was simple. best wishes rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by abacus: [B]
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#269469 - 08/20/09 06:37 AM
Re: Survival or Death to the Arranger keyboard ?
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Anonymous
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Originally posted by Diki: ... What annoys me the most is that, there ARE some pretty hip sounding drum kits, synth basses, etc., in my G70, I KNOW there's a ton of contemporary stuff in a PA2X (not really sure about the Tyros3, but it's got to have at least SOME up to date stuff), but NOBODY is writing styles for these arrangers. Korg have excellent style writing teams for the M3/M50, Roland have personnel for the FantomG, Yamaha for the MoXS loops. Why can't they simply get THOSE guys to do styles for the arrangers? Can't be any harder than doing arps for the WS's. ... In some cases, there are totally separate teams working on the pro and home market products (arrangers still considered to be home market). It is my understanding that in at least one of the brands you mentioned, the two divisions don't really communicate with each other at all much less do any real collaborating. It has been my observation (keep in mind that I have been on the wholesale side of pro and home keyboard products for quite a few years) that the employees on the pro side look down on the home products division like they are an evil stepchild. The pro reps want nothing to do with them, the designers of the pro gear want nothing to do with them. I think I'm a little odd because I share equal enthusiasm for both types of products. So maybe one of the reasons things are the way they are is that the manufacturers themselves aren't real sure of what to make of an arranger instrument. Just a thought. Dave ------------------ Wm. David McMahan LearnMyKeyboard JazzItUp Band The Modulators [This message has been edited by WDMcM (edited 08-20-2009).]
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#269470 - 08/20/09 06:45 AM
Re: Survival or Death to the Arranger keyboard ?
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Anonymous
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Originally posted by rikkisbears: Hi Bill, very interesting. Can't be tempted though, no Wersi's in Aust. unless specially imported.
With the Technics, ( from memory)I was actually able to create a complete style part ie the 5 instruments, plus bass, & drums. If I remember correctly the drums were split into, bass drum patterns, snare patterns, hihats . In short you could even create new drum patterns quite easily .
You just kept scrolling thru various tracks till you got something that suited. Could have been better set out, but it was simple. best wishes rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by abacus: [B] Hi rikki, Just curious and not trying to be a smart aleck. In the amount of time it takes to scroll through the many solo kick drum, snare, hi hat, bass and chordal phrases and stick them together into something useful, couldn't a person actually create their own personal rhythm and accompaniment tracks? The answer may be " not if the person doesn't know how to play drums". But my thought is in the amount of time spent reading the manual and learning how to use the style creation features, one could just as easily learn how to create their own drum beats, etc. and then have a style that is totally unique. Dave ------------------ Wm. David McMahan LearnMyKeyboard JazzItUp Band The Modulators
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#269471 - 08/20/09 09:05 AM
Re: Survival or Death to the Arranger keyboard ?
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5388
Loc: English Riviera, UK
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Originally posted by Seamaster:
In such a stagnant market, the up-sell becomes more important, generating revenue from the existing user base. Diki has floated the idea on the Roland Arranger forums of manufacturers shifting focus, and offering an iTunes-style model of new styles/voices/features being offered via an online store. Why it hasn't happened before now has me scratching my head. It's so obvious and, frankly, there's no other way I can see in the present climate of generating sustainable revenues. Actually both Yamaha and Wersi have been doing this for some time, (Wersi being software has a big advantage here) with Yamaha further upping their game with the T3, other manufactures haven’t bothered for some reason, so their owners have to rely mainly on 3rd party support developers. One of the reasons may be the limited amount of Ram and Rom space on current boards, (And loading time of course) but all manufactures could overcome this if they wanted to. (If it was hardware it would probably have to be a new board though) Anyway keep the pressure on and who knows.
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