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#268681 - 08/05/09 07:54 PM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
Scott Langholff Offline
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Registered: 06/09/02
Posts: 3163
Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Hi jwyvern

I am certainly enjoying your playing style here as I did on your T2 version of Nearness of You. My kinda stuff.

That's a pretty good sounding trombone. The more I think about it, the clarinet and the new single coil jazz guitar alone would be worth it for me to pick up a T3. I'm really thinking about it. Does it still have that beautiful cornet as on the T2?

My wife and I were going to Andy's Music in Mobile a few weeks ago to see an S900 and T3, but they said they didn't have any. One time a few years ago, I wanted to see the T2, I think, there and even though they had them in stock, do you believe they wouldn't take one out of the box for me to try?????? They have an online business and wanted to keep their boxes factory sealed.

The only thing that I think I would not like on the T3 is those drawbars. 1st, I don't really need them, second if they were going to put them on I wish they would have put them up to the left of the screen so that the reg mem were still below the screen.

I play a lot of big band stuff where I swith between horn sections sometimes for a couple beats and back to the other using my left hand. This looks like it will be well nigh impossible on the T3.

Which style are you using on the trombone demo?

Best
Scott

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#268682 - 08/07/09 04:22 AM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
jwyvern Offline
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Registered: 09/06/06
Posts: 365
Diki & Bernie,
Well, thanks for your comments. I wasn't expecting such a good report from real trombonists.

and Scott:

I'd probably only played with the trombone for about half an hour before someone asked for a demo, so with a bit more exploration and practice there's no doubt more to find. There are no instructions that I have found from Yamaha so as usual you're left to find out for yourself.
Many of the Sweet/Live/Cool voices on Ty2 are improved on Ty3, and the Cornet sounds to me at least as good. Or you could choose the SA2 Classical Trumpet which sounds similar.
If you want to change the LH voice to and fro quickly it will be a challenge trying to get it done by hand via registrations.
I don't know who Yamaha consult when they want to make fundamental changes. But moving Registration buttons out to the right (and incidentally forcing Voice Effects out even further) just to give prime position to a feature of questionnable use was a wrong move IMO.
I've started experimenting with custom voices for the Left where say a SaxSection provides the normal accomp. where extra emphasis, stabs and crescendo can be brought in via higher velocity.

The style used in the demo was Dreamy Ballad, speeded up from 63 to 85 Tempo and with the guitar part tweaked up to a level where you could actually hear it.

John

[This message has been edited by jwyvern (edited 08-07-2009).]

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#268683 - 08/07/09 07:13 AM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
Beakybird Offline
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Registered: 01/27/01
Posts: 2227
Quote:
Originally posted by jwyvern:
Diki & Bernie,
Well, thanks for your comments. I wasn't expecting such a good report from real trombonists.

and Scott:

I'd probably only played with the trombone for about half an hour before someone asked for a demo, so with a bit more exploration and practice there's no doubt more to find. There are no instructions that I have found from Yamaha so as usual you're left to find out for yourself.
Many of the Sweet/Live/Cool voices on Ty3 are improved on Ty3, and the Cornet sounds to me at least as good. Or you could choose the SA2 Classical Trumpet which sounds similar.
If you want to change the LH voice to and fro quickly it will be a challenge trying to get it done by hand via registrations.
I don't know who Yamaha consult when they want to make fundamental changes. But moving Registration buttons out to the right (and incidentally forcing Voice Effects out even further) just to give prime position to a feature of questionnable use was a wrong move IMO.
I've started experimenting with custom voices for the Left where say a SaxSection provides the normal accomp. where extra emphasis, stabs and crescendo can be brought in via higher velocity.

The style used in the demo was Dreamy Ballad, speeded up from 63 to 85 Tempo and with the guitar part tweaked up to a level where you could actually hear it.

John


I get a problem loading page error when I go to hear your solo at http://www.box.net/shared/3e3b5e0q3a. I'd love to hear it.

Beakybird

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#268684 - 08/07/09 07:21 AM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
jwyvern Offline
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Registered: 09/06/06
Posts: 365
Beakybird,
It looks as if you have added a full stop after the URL which has queered it.


Try this http://www.box.net/shared/3e3b5e0q3a

John

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#268685 - 08/07/09 04:00 PM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
Scott Langholff Offline
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Registered: 06/09/02
Posts: 3163
Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Hi jwyvern

Actually with the reg mem buttons, I use my left hand quite often to quickly change between buttons 5 - 8, which are my different horn sections for right hand sounds, ranging from sax harmony, sax unison, trombone section harmony to trumpet harmony. I trigger the chord and continue playing with my right hand as my left hand changes those right hand settings. It is fun to do, just like an actual big band.

But, anyway, how on earth can I do that with a T3? I thought perhaps I could change my reg's 5 - 8 with 1 - 4, but don't know if that will help.

Yamaha, PLEASE put the reg mem buttons back under the screen where they belong so everyone at all levels can do what they want to in the EASIEST manner.

As for the drawbars, I don't know, I haven't tried them yet. On the Tyros 4 I recommend putting them to the left like I've seen other companies do. But I think they are not really needed. I bet a poll would clear up that idea real quick.

I'd say 76 note keyboard over drawbars would win any polls on the subject.

Scott

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#268686 - 08/07/09 11:34 PM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14203
Loc: NW Florida
Or get a G70 and have 76 notes AND drawbars

And a real B3 sim (not as good as the Nord's, but still pretty reasonable) and an action with no sharp corners to grab your hands on big smears and dives.
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#268687 - 08/08/09 12:52 AM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5352
Loc: English Riviera, UK
Hi Scott
A lot of players just assign the registrations to a footswitch (They set up all the changes of the song in the correct order in the registrations) and use this to step through as the song progresses. (If you also assign fills etc to a footswitch, there is little need to take your hands off the keyboard at all)
Another option

Bill
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#268688 - 08/08/09 01:30 AM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
Scott Langholff Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 06/09/02
Posts: 3163
Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by abacus:
Hi Scott
A lot of players just assign the registrations to a footswitch (They set up all the changes of the song in the correct order in the registrations) and use this to step through as the song progresses. (If you also assign fills etc to a footswitch, there is little need to take your hands off the keyboard at all)
Another option

Bill


HI Bill

Yes, I'm aware of that,but I do it on the fly kind of the same only different order every time. I pick the horn sections as I am inspired on the fly. So, guess that won't help me unless there is something else that I am not aware of.

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#268689 - 08/08/09 05:11 AM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
jwyvern Offline
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Registered: 09/06/06
Posts: 365
The use of a pedal for advancing Registrations is really for where you have a known sequence, it doesn't let you decide to go up and down at will (as you can were you using pedals to move OTS).
If you are sitting close to Ty3 you could probably still manage to push Regs. directly for what you need Scott (about a foot further for the LH to go) but depending on timing may have to be more discriminating at first and in some cases maybe use the RH to cause a change- if possible.

John

[This message has been edited by jwyvern (edited 08-08-2009).]

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#268690 - 08/08/09 05:04 PM Re: Premium voices Tyros3
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14203
Loc: NW Florida
Could you layer BOTH parts, and use an expression pedal to cross-fade? (Invert pedal response on one part)

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 08-08-2009).]
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