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#264906 - 05/28/09 11:39 AM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
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hey Mike..I used a junk cable that even buzzes untill I move it a little..I am sure it is a bad cable...but my better 1/8" stereo to 2 mono cables are packed in my road gear...
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#264907 - 05/28/09 11:40 AM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
Fran Carango Offline
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Yes it sounds better with headphones with my G70 than the recorded MP3..
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#264908 - 05/28/09 11:51 AM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
Diki Offline


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Oh, come ON....

If this forum has ANY claim to wisdom, surely we all know by now that all cables are equal?

You probably have the wrong kind of speaker cables hooked up, Fran... (just kidding, Fran! I'm just articulating the wisdom of the other thread - or lack thereof )

Probably the real reason the left channel is weaker is it's orientation East to West... I mean, there's probably someone, somewhere, who claims he can hear the difference..!

For a fair and full test, though, Fran, you REALLY should have played the file AS IS. Just like the others. You Makeup Tooled that one, didn't you?
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#264909 - 05/28/09 12:06 PM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
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http://www.yousendit.com/download/MnFqYURIQzNCTW1Ga1E9PQ

Take 2 with another cable, and changed back to boring Standard drums...

What do you mean Diki?...
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#264910 - 05/28/09 12:14 PM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
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BTW, I don't think there IS supposed to be a guiro. A guiro pattern would have the long sample, then two short up strokes for that rhythm. There are no upstrokes. It's another of Yamaha's missteps in trying to create a GM/GS compatible drumset. They didn't even TRY.

Typical Yamaha.

Hey Fran... here's another trick for the G70...

Pretty much all the new shaker samples are 'late' in the pocket, as real shakers are - you get a certain amount of sound before the actual 'body' of the sound. This makes them sound like they are dragging, a bit. Select JUST the shaker notes, and slide them a few ticks 'early', and all of a sudden, the pocket just comes alive...

This works on SMF's and styles too, but it's more of a PITA to do on styles, as there is little 'global' editing of time. That's one thing I'd like to see on the next Roland... Drum sound 'pocket' adjustment from the Makeup Tools.
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#264911 - 05/28/09 12:18 PM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
Diki Offline


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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
What do you mean Diki?...


Which bit? The cables or the editing?

I think it would be an awfully interesting test to give everyone the same file, and three minutes to edit it to the best you can in the time alloted. No cheating, no fudging. Three minutes flat.

It's all very well to have editing tools, but if they are too slow to be practical, you end up not using them.
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#264912 - 05/28/09 12:23 PM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
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I would go with the following:
1. audya
2. yamaha
3. korg
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#264913 - 05/28/09 12:31 PM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
Diki Offline


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Just curious, but Frank... where did this SMF come from, and what was it intended to be played on? (It's date of creation might give a clue, there).

What happened to the guide track, Fran? It's on the other examples...

If this is old GM/GS, why are there any sax's with vibrato? Or trumpets, for that matter? Is the vibrato modulation commands, or have you changed to more modern, sampled vibrato sounds? Because none of them were in the capital Tone selection group... you needed CC00/32 commands to get to them.

Is that second example just plug the file in and hit Play? Because that's what Frank did, I presume...

Mind you, Makeup Tool-ing an SMF is SO easy, we find ourselves doing it pretty automatically! I sometimes don't even hit 'Play' until I've done a couple of my usual tweaks (change to V-Drums, change piano to GrandX, that kind of thing)
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#264914 - 05/28/09 12:56 PM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
Fran Carango Offline
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Amen
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#264915 - 05/28/09 01:08 PM Re: New midi comparison with Audya/Tyros3/Pa2xpro
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/MnFqYURIQzNCTW1Ga1E9PQ

Take 2 with another cable, and changed back to boring Standard drums...



This isn't any better, Fran...drums and bass still weak...maybe you should be using those "easy to use" make-up tools after all? Or Monster cables?


It definitely needs help.

And, still no güiro? Still unforgivable. Are Yamaha and Korg the only ones with any accuracy?

Overall, it still ties with the Korg (3rd).
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